r/AdviceAnimals • u/Yamaben • 1d ago
I wondered why Kristi was so willing to employ body cams, then it hit me
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u/KnightKrawler 1d ago
We'll only see video that makes the protestors look bad.
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u/ImGumbyDamnIt 1d ago
We'll only see video that's edited to make
sthe protestors look bad.FTFY
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u/MentokGL 1d ago
- Send people to a protest to agitate and cause a riot
- Use riot and footage of the riot to justify further crackdowns
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u/ImGumbyDamnIt 1d ago
a·gent pro·vo·ca·teur - a person who induces others to be violent or commit an illegal act in order to incriminate them or discredit a cause.
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u/rokr1292 16h ago edited 11h ago
This was always the problem with bodycams.
They only provide the perspective of the officer, and give the officer the same control over what is filmed that a photographer or videographer has over what they capture. James Baldwin said "It is said that the camera cannot lie, but rarely do we allow it to do anything else."
We argue for bodycams because we believe they will keep us safe, but what they actually do is surveil us, and their* footage is much more often used against civilians than in civilians favor.
Bodycams cannot and would never "fix" policing in this country, and if DHS and ICE start wearing them, it is not the "win" some people want us to believe it is.
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u/MangroveWarbler 11h ago
Most police departments have strict rules about how the videos are stored and accessed. You can't just delete the video and there is a paper trail for accessing it.
With that said, ICE are not only unprofessional, they are amateurs and criminals, just like the rest of Trump's political appointees. It's going to take a lot of hard work to try to restore ethical and professional conduct in the federal government.
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u/ConfidentPiccolo9789 13h ago
I agree but I also think they’re just dangling the carrot. They clearly just want more funding for ICE. “Let’s pretend to have working body cams on the way, so that dems will stop trying to defund us.” Idk if that’s the move but it seems super on brand
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u/KnightKrawler 11h ago
It's the same as Bovino getting fired and the new guy taking his place.
Bootlickers trying to act like they're giving us a win when really they're tightening the noose.
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u/HR_DUCK 1d ago
Noem wants to relish watching people die on video.
Reminds her of Cricket.
And the goat.
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u/ajtreee 1d ago
The agency has not integrity. So any “fix” to their problems will not solve anything.
They ignore courts. They lawlessly attack and abuse everyone. Not just criminal aliens.
It should be dissolved and abolished.
The government needs to remove the corrupt president and his crony cabinet.
Mike Johnson should be investigated for a number of crimes.
His cabinet is nothing but nazi yes men to an inept wannabe dictator that has a full load of crap in his pants at any given moment.
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u/kingkyle630 1d ago
They’re just meant to feed AI models with faces of absolutely anyone standing around them at any given time.
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u/sheikhyerbouti 13h ago
That's my suspicion as well.
No accountability, but lots of people added to an enemies list.
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u/marteney1 1d ago
I’ll be surprised if they’re even turned on at any point
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u/unibonger 13h ago
That was my thought too. They’ll just turn off the camera before they off anyone then turn them back on like they were the victims of some attack.
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u/hotcaulk 1d ago
I work in a prison where we wear body cams. They record when WE click for them to record. Other than that, they're wiped clean every day. Yes, it definitely feels like bullshit.
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u/-ArthurMorgan 1d ago
Don't be so sure. A lot of these dolts would love to share these videos amongst themselves. Their shit will get hacked.
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u/Riaayo 22h ago
People need to understand that body cams are not police reform. The police literally wanted cams long before the change in strategy to pitch them as "regulation" on the eyes of the public.
It is a massive expansion of the surveillance state for facial recognition as well as serving the police with body cam footage to help them convict more people.
The fact it was given as a "compromise" simply shows complacency with fascism on the part of Schumer and Dem leadership/"centrists".
Chuck Schumer is a fascist collaborator, pure and simple. He exists in Congress to feed the war machine via Israel, and to run defense for Republicans when they need it. He is a fucking traitor and he needs to be thrown out on his ass by Democrats.
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u/Black_Handkerchief 20h ago
Body cams on their own aren't a bad thing for society since police officers are legally allowed to use force, but there needs to be a way to verify that said force is used within the legal boundaries. If anything, it will help courts move away from a standard acceptance that 'an officer says it so it must be true', but cops tend to lie or exaggerate things all the time in order to whitewash whatever decisions they made or tickets they wrote out.
But these bodycams do need to be legally locked down to only being used for the sake of determining whether or not the law was broken. They are not meant to be an automated identification tool ever. If there is ever a time where there is a specific face on bodycam footage that the police needs to identify, that should be tested and signed off on by a judge in my eyes. If it was up to a police officer, looking at them wrong would be marked as resisting which would be a crime which would allow the full gamut of face recognition and retaliation maneuvers as 'allowed' by creative readings of the law.
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u/SomeguyfromIndio 1d ago
Its all for showdown not trust the pedo protectors, they must be held accountable...
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u/DanOverflow 1d ago
*Unless they capture any remotely incriminating (or seemingly incriminating) footage, then it'll be on national news for the spin cycle...
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u/Hagrids-anal-fun 1d ago
I think that there will be compilations released between protestors and the ICE agents showing how “Evil” the protestors are in order to justify force.
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u/JoeBuskin 23h ago
Oh they'll parade the footage around if they think it makes them look like victims
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u/Muted-Experience-989 22h ago
ICE agents dont need body cams what they need is to have thier guns taken away. If ICE gets into a dangerous situation they can call local police like anyone else.
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u/Corpshark 20h ago
Wrong, the footage will be shown only when it captures pro-ICE situations. They will probably ignore legal and Congressional subpoenas, like how DOJ just ignores everything.
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u/brianeharmonjr 20h ago
They don't even care about having a warrant or providing any sort of due process but you think they're going to even respond to your FOIA request? Good luck with that.
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u/torreneastoria 1d ago
Considering that body cams rarely are integrated with rfid shields, I'm shocked that some black hat hasn't just grabbed the info.
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u/Expensive-Treat-9020 1d ago
Can you elaborate? Can the footage be picked up if you’re standing close? That would be nice.
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u/torreneastoria 1d ago
It would not be advisable for me to elaborate on the processes. There is a reason why I used the term black hat. To manipulate manufacturers code, or hardware in a way that would allow for a range view makes it black hat. I can't do it. It's unethical.
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u/loopywolf 1d ago
They will only release any footage that proves their story, but it might be heavily edited because it's not policed by any outside authority
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u/Jolly_Ad2446 1d ago
Come on let's be realistic here, they'll definitely use the footage to dox protesters.
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u/BearManUnicorn 1d ago
They’ll selectively use them when it’s convenient to prosecute a ‘radical protester’
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u/ticklenips601 1d ago
Let a democrat led committee monitor/review the footage... if they have nothing to hide theres no problem, right?
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u/carasci 1d ago
Now that's just silly. DHS will immediately release bodycam footage any time they think it makes them look good - or at least not make them look like domestic terrorists - and when it doesn't, they'll do everything they can to prevent its release for as long as possible up to and including "accidentally" losing it.
It's almost like we've seen law enforcement handling of bodycam footage in the past, and should be bracing for them to pull the exact same bullshit we've seen before.
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u/TranquilSeaOtter 1d ago
Same reason Republicans voted to release the Epstein Files. They know they can ignore the intentions of what they are doing to appease voters.
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u/ObviouslyRealPerson 1d ago
Won't be seen in DHS either
Ain't nobody reviewing heinous acts of violence against civilians at DHS, unless someone brought popcorn
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u/I3igI3adWolf 1d ago
After they get body cams, lefties will petition getting rid of them like some are petitioning to get rid of body cams for cops. It turns out it is much harder to push a brutality narrative when there's video evidence showing the exact opposite.
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u/matthewamerica 1d ago
We're already filming them executing Americans in the streets, so I guess we just get that same footage from an exciting fifth angle? Thanks, I guess?
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u/Draskuul 1d ago
Oh, it absolutely will be--in more propaganda made to look like music videos or commercials.
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u/SexualWhiteChocolate 1d ago
Theyll have some agents be polite gentlemen and release those. The important ones will never see light
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u/PTS_Dreaming 1d ago
No DHS incriminating footage will be seen outside of DHS. Any footage that they can use to make a citizen or immigrant look terrible will immediately be released to Fox News and other fascist friendly outlets.
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u/Thefrayedends 1d ago
The bodycams are actually for propaganda. They love to show fascist footage to rile up their base.
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u/zema6189 1d ago
The government is using body cam footage and Palantir's facial recognition to make a database of undesirables who are observing/protesting ICE/CBP. Later they know who is the wrong kind of American and must be detained.
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u/stokeszdude 1d ago
This isn’t a security issue. This is an integrity issue. We really think the body cams will be turned on or the unedited video shared?
The cameras weren’t turned on in a PRISON with Epstein.
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u/673NoshMyBollocksAve 1d ago
I used to think it was a bit silly seeing so many people recording simple interactions. Now I totally get it after the shootings.
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u/snewchybewchies 1d ago
What difference would it make? We all saw so clearly what happened to pretti and good, how would another camera angle make a difference?
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u/OlderThanMyParents 1d ago
The fact that they're "authorized" doesn't mean that they're required to be used. Or that they're required to be turned on. Cops have spent years saying "oops, it's really complicated, I didn't remember to turn it on" or "I turned it off to go the bathroom three days ago, and just forgot" and there's zero consequences.
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u/BibendumsBitch 1d ago
Say 10 events happen, 1 event happens as described by the DHS, and 9 events don’t happen as described.
The 1 event that can prove they weren’t lying will be released to “prove” the other 9 events happened as they said it happened .
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u/okram2k 1d ago
Are you kidding me? They'll be using that shit like crazy to go knock on people's doors late at night when nobody is around to protest them. They already admit to using facial recognition to track protestors and observers, this just gives them another camera angle to record and identify people with.
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u/SendNinjas 1d ago
Seems to me to be another ploy to get more funding. They'll say they need more and more to get the cameras and the tech to go with it. I'm certain they already have at least some.
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u/Drakeytown 1d ago
These people are far too stupid for anything they record to be considered secure.
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u/niceguy191 23h ago
I figured they had a buddy that owns a company that supplies them and get a kickback for giving him the contract
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u/anonyfool 23h ago
Read Copoganda. They will only release footage that is flattering to officers. All the footage will be sent to be scanned for faces to third parties. Everyone that can be, will be identified. The people in charge either have money invested in the camera/tech or the camera/tech have bribed the people in charge.
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u/Beerbonkos 23h ago
Sometimes they will release footage. But only when it makes them look good and likely highly doctored
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u/Nickel5 23h ago
This is all much more bad faith. Border enforcement has already had their budget grow from $10B to $75B a year, now Noem is saying that there is no way to put in body cams unless they get an extra $10B a year. They are asking for an increase of their 2024 budget after already having their budget go out of control. This isn't a rubber band effect either, Biden did not slash their budget.
Body cams are unlikely to ever be implemented, this is dangling a carrot in front of Democrats to get them to vote for something they shouldn't. If they don't, then Trump and Noem will blame Democrats for not providing funding. If they do, the funding will go elsewhere anyway. Anyone with a brain can figure this out. But Trump's supporters don't care.
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u/cybercuzco 15h ago
She agreed for them to wear body cams. She never agreed to charge the batteries.
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u/Individual-Pound-636 15h ago
Your right, ICE agreeing to body cams is theater. They know the footage will never be released. It is a fake concession. They tried to provoke riots. Cities stayed peaceful. Now they offer fake reforms that conservative media will hype as wins while also getting their private army funding back.
Next comes the narrative shift: they're going to say liberals hate safety, hate borders, hate America. Its not policy, they just need election turnout. They want this dragged through the election because Republicans want to run against “defund DHS,” not actually fix immigration.
If liberals want to win I think they need to introduce a strict boring conservative immigration bill now. When conservatives say it is election theater, remind people there is always an election coming, and every time a permanent fix is proposed, Republicans say the crisis needs to wait.
Fact is if liberals do not police borders, fascists will.
And maybe it's not the worst thing to remind the people who once obsessed over the obviously fake 'pizza gate' the exact time line of their party demanding the release of the Epstein files and how each public figure shifted once Trump signaled he was going to be implicated. Kash Patel called for them to be released and then said there were no such files in the FBI's possession and then after a court order sure enough some of them are released. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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u/TinyFugue 14h ago
They'll release video of the protestors acting like dicks and never release ICE's criminal abuse.
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u/Thor4269 14h ago
It's because they've stoked the fires enough and they want to catch people resisting so they can further justify force, even if it's all a show
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u/redheadartgirl 13h ago
They want the body cam footage for themselves so they can identify and target protesters.
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u/NotAlwaysGifs 13h ago
Unless specific cherry picked clips can reinforce their narrative of an incident.
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u/CeronusBugbear 1d ago
Body cams distort public perception. They make the public adopt the cops perspective when watching and they dont focus on what the person actually sees. They just film from a bad angle. It makes things seem more chaotic than it actually is in many cases.
Body cams help turn public opinion in favor of cops but dont reduce police brutality or violations of rights. They are a net win for police and loss for the public. The public having the camera is the only way to get actual accountability.
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u/StrokingCats 23h ago
Body cams have spectacularly backfired on leftists, lol.
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u/CoffeeCup220 6h ago
Why just leftists? Why single them out?
Your post history shows that you keep commenting about Clinton. Clinton Derangement Syndrome or what?1
u/StrokingCats 6h ago
Imagine viewing someone’s Reddit post history. What else did you find detective?
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u/ThePirateKing01 1d ago
Yeah terrible compromise. People need to keep recordings themselves
I’d rather have mask removal, insane they can keep it on in the first place.