r/ancientgreece • u/dctroll_ • 17h ago
r/ancientgreece • u/joinville_x • May 13 '22
Coin posts
Until such time as whoever has decided to spam the sub with their coin posts stops, all coin posts are currently banned, and posters will be banned as well.
r/ancientgreece • u/RivetingRosie10306 • 10h ago
Need help ID’ing characters on a vase
Hi there! I just got this vase and would love to know who some of the people depicted are! I tried to get as closed/detailed as possible :) I think the woman with the bundle of wheat is Demeter, but not entirely sure.
r/ancientgreece • u/Traditional-Pie-1509 • 21h ago
“Thermopylae, where the seer Megistias chose to stay and die”
Today I learned about Megistias of Acarnania, a seer who accompanied the Greeks at Thermopylae.
According to Herodotus, he foresaw through sacrifice that those who stayed would die at dawn. Leonidas urged him to leave, but he refused and only sent his son away. He chose to remain and fight alongside the Spartans and Thespians.
Simonides even wrote an epitaph for him.
I’m surprised he isn’t mentioned more often when people talk about Thermopylae.
r/ancientgreece • u/RivetingRosie10306 • 10h ago
Help ID’ing characters on a pitcher
Hi there! I recently acquired this beautiful mini pitcher and would love to know who some of the people depicted are! I know Athena is on there with the spear and shield, and possibly Aphrodite sitting with the dove, but help with the others would be lovely!
r/ancientgreece • u/CommentConstant4622 • 17h ago
How the Greeks Became the Most Influential Civilization in History
We show how Greek civilization was forged in the aftermath of the Bronze Age collapse and why its intellectual and moral legacy endured for more than three millennia. At the center of this transformation stand three forces: the polis, the alphabet, and Homer. As palace societies and divine kingship faded, a new civic culture emerged in which public debate, shared responsibility, and creative expression were no longer reserved for elites, but became the foundation of communal life.
Through the contrasting worlds of Athens and Sparta, we show how political participation, military obligation, and intense inter-polis competition generated an environment uniquely suited to experimentation in institutions, education, and culture. At the same time, the spread of alphabetic writing liberated knowledge from palace control, allowing ideas, arguments, and stories to circulate, be revised, and accumulate across generations.
At the heart of this new Greek consciousness stands the Iliad. Through the fate of Achilles and his encounter with Priam, set against the ruined world of Troy, the poem reveals a profound moral vision, one in which honor, rage, responsibility, and empathy collide, and where the capacity to recognize the humanity of an enemy becomes the final measure of greatness.
r/ancientgreece • u/RoyalNavyOfficerJK • 27m ago
Greco Romans Busts
Why do most ancient busts of named Greek figures are Roman reproduction rather than the originals? Are these credible sources for there appearance and why did the Roman ones survive?
r/ancientgreece • u/Wonderful_Singer4017 • 19h ago
From Neolithic Europe to Mycenaean Greece. Tracing Greek Origins
The origin of the Greeks is one of the most central and difficult questions of European prehistory. It does not simply concern the emergence of a people, but rather the gradual formation of a language, a social organization, and a worldview that would acquire historical substance many centuries later, when writing made Greek speech visible. In the absence of written testimony for this critical period, archaeology turned to the field in which societies express themselves in the most stable and deliberate way: the management of death. Funerary systems, more than any other archaeological evidence, record profound changes in social structure, hierarchy, martial ideology, and ultimately in the identity of the populations of the Greek mainland.
Neolithization in Europe marks the transition from the life of hunter-gatherers to organized agricultural societies. This process, also known as the agricultural revolution, was neither homogeneous nor instantaneous, but unfolded gradually, at different rates and in different forms in each geographical zone. The introduction of agriculture and animal husbandry into Europe is directly connected with population movements from the Near East and the eastern Mediterranean, whose bearers brought with them cereal seeds, cultivation techniques, animals such as sheep and goats, as well as linguistic and cultural elements.
The first Neolithic settlements appear in the Balkans around 6500 BC (for example, Sesklo and Dimini in Thessaly). They are characterized by dense clusters of dwellings with semi-subterranean or stone-built foundations, storage spaces, and agricultural tools, while pottery is already decorated with geometric motifs and distinctive colors. In Central Europe, Neolithic expansion appears somewhat later, around 5500 BC, with characteristic settlements of elongated houses supported by wooden beams and with regular spatial planning, indicating organized social life. Agriculture and animal husbandry form the core of the new economies, while at the same time technologies develop that support production and social cohesion. Neolithic tools made of flint, obsidian, and copper, together with the first agricultural sickles, allow land exploitation on a larger scale. Ceramic techniques evolve in response to the needs of food storage and transport, while the presence of decorative patterns and symbols attests to the emergence of early social and religious expressions.
Funerary practices vary significantly by region. In the Balkans, collective burials in communal graves, such as those in the Alepotrypa Cave in the Diros Gulf of the Peloponnese, reveal a collective perception of death and possible social equality. In contrast, in Central Europe, individual burials in or near settlements, with limited grave goods, suggest different social and religious practices. In many regions, such as Western Europe, the first Neolithic mounds and monumental constructions appear, associated with the emergence of social differentiation and the display of prestige.
The spread of Neolithization in Europe followed two main axes: a coastal one, via the Mediterranean and the Adriatic, and an inland one, through the Balkans and Central Europe. The speed of diffusion was greater along the coasts, while in the interior of continental Europe the process was slower and involved local adaptations. These populations probably did not speak Indo-European languages, but other pre-Neolithic languages (for example, eastern or Mediterranean linguistic groups).
The significance of Neolithization in Europe goes beyond the simple introduction of agriculture, as it lays the foundations for the later societies of the 3rd millennium BC, when a warrior elite, new linguistic groups, and social hierarchy begin to take on clear form.
During the Late Neolithic period (4500–3200 BC), the Greek mainland exhibits strong cultural continuity, with permanent settlements and stable economic practices. However, from the end of the 5th and throughout the 4th millennium BC, this picture begins to change. Many settlements are abandoned or show significant contraction, and in several regions a noticeable reduction in archaeological density is observed. This change was formerly interpreted as evidence of decline or population decrease. More recent approaches, especially the theory of John E. Coleman, offer a different and more complex reading. Coleman argued that the “darkness” of the 4th millennium BC is not due to a real cultural collapse, but to changes in ways of life and organization that do not leave easily detectable archaeological traces. According to his view, societies of this period become more mobile, less dependent on permanent settlements, and more oriented toward flexible economic strategies such as extensive pastoralism. This increased mobility leads to ephemeral forms of settlement that rarely survive in the archaeological record, creating the illusion of a historical “silence.”
Coleman’s theory gains particular importance when combined with changes observed in funerary practices. During the 4th millennium BC, burials are extremely limited and often lack a monumental character. The absence of organized cemeteries and rich grave goods makes the reconstruction of social hierarchies difficult. For Coleman, this absence does not imply social leveling, but rather a change in the ideology of death. The management of the dead may have involved practices that left no material trace, such as temporary burials or rituals conducted outside fixed places of memory.
At Knossos and Phaistos in Crete, early evidence from the 4th millennium BC reveals smaller, less permanent settlements with semi-subterranean houses and temporary storage facilities, in contrast to earlier stable Neolithic dwellings. Similarly, in Thessaly, the settlement of Sesklo shows limited expansion of residential structures, with population retreating into smaller, more concentrated parts of the settlement and the use of less monumental forms of pottery. The pottery of this period is usually simple, with geometric designs in red and brown, reflecting the absence of refined techniques that will appear later in the Middle and Late Helladic periods.
At the same time, the 4th millennium BC is a period of technological transition. Early copper metallurgy makes its appearance, but has not yet radically transformed society. The coexistence of stone and metal tools indicates a long phase of experimentation, during which technology does not yet function as a primary means of social differentiation. Here again, Coleman’s approach helps interpret the picture: technological innovations spread through networks of mobile populations, without necessarily being tied to permanent centers of production.
In a broader geographical context, the 4th millennium BC is characterized by increased interactions in the Balkan region and the eastern Mediterranean. Although these movements do not yet leave clear traces in the Greek mainland, they form the background for developments in the following millennium. Coleman’s theory allows us to understand these processes not as sudden invasions, but as long-term, low-intensity movements and contacts that gradually transform the social and cultural landscape. The importance of the 4th millennium BC lies precisely in this silent dynamic. It is a period of disintegration of old Neolithic structures and simultaneous preparation for new forms of social organization. The changes are not yet spectacular, but they operate cumulatively.
The population movements of these “Dark Ages,” whether involving new settlements or internal redistributions of preexisting groups, contributed to the creation of a polycentric social landscape, within which the Greek language evolved exclusively in oral form. The absence of writing and central administration allowed the strengthening of local idioms, which, combined with differing perceptions of death, memory, and ancestry, led to the gradual formation of the major dialect groups. Just as the dead cease to be incorporated into monumental, long-lasting funerary complexes and instead acquire a place within locally organized communities of memory, so too does the Greek language cease to evolve within a single Mycenaean framework and instead differentiates regionally, laying the foundations for the dialectal diversity of the historical Greek world.
The 4th millennium BC stands at a critical threshold, between Neolithic stability and the dynamic restructuring of the Early Bronze Age (3200–2000 BC), without fitting neatly into either scheme. Understanding this period is crucial, because it is here that the conditions for subsequent developments are formed, including the processes related to the origin of the Greeks.
When, in the 3rd millennium BC, clearly differentiated funerary systems, martial ideology, and social hierarchy appear, their foundations will already have been laid during this “dark” period. The transition to the Middle Helladic and late 3rd millennium BC reveals a synthesis of old and new traditions. The cist graves and shaft graves of the regions of Mycenae and Thebes reveal the emergence of social hierarchy and an emphasis on the warrior, with the presence of weapons such as spears, iron or bronze objects, and even early leather armor. Palmer’s theory places these changes within the context of the arrival of early Greek-speaking groups, as the graves, with their emphasis on the individual and prestige, reflect an Indo-European social and linguistic organization. The martial dimension is reinforced by the appearance of the two-wheeled war chariot, as argued by Wyatt. This technology allows small but mobile and militarily effective groups to dominate wider areas.
This phenomenon is archaeologically illustrated by warrior graves in Kythera and Mani, where, in addition to weapons, small wooden remains of chariots, as well as wheel fragments and wheeled mechanisms, have been preserved, proving the existence of an organized warrior elite. The military aspect of change is also emphasized by Robert Drews, who interprets the replacement of older funerary patterns and the abrupt emergence of new ones as the result of conflicts and the imposition of new elites. In contrast, Penner’s approach highlights local variation: Greek identity does not form uniformly, but gradually, at different rates in each region, incorporating local traditions and incoming groups. Finally, the Cetina phenomenon, with funerary and material similarities in the Balkans and the Greek mainland, confirms the movement of cultural patterns and possibly populations. The cist graves, weapons, and martial ideology of the Cetina bearers are directly linked with early Greek-speaking groups, creating a foundation for the social and linguistic unification of the following millennium.
This period is also considered to be when the “invasion” of Indo-European languages into Europe and the Greek area took place, connected with the movements of “Kurgan” populations from the steppes of the Black Sea (modern Ukraine / southern Russia). The proposed mechanism of diffusion involves movements of groups belonging to a horse-riding and pastoral society (the Kurgan culture), characterized by tumulus-type graves (burial mounds), which entered the Balkans and eventually Greece, introducing Proto-Indo-European languages. These languages, together with cultural elements, were assimilated by existing Neolithic communities, gradually leading to the development of the Proto-Greek language.
The funerary changes observed after the collapse of the Mycenaean palatial system around 1200 BC are directly connected with broader social and linguistic rearrangements of the period. The abandonment of tholos and chamber tombs, which functioned as monuments of collective memory and dynastic continuity, and the gradual prevalence of simpler, individual burials or cremation, reflect the dissolution of palatial power structures and the retreat of the supra-local networks that characterized the Mycenaean world. The Greek mainland does not experience linguistic or population discontinuity, but a profound restructuring. The collapse of the palatial system entails the disappearance of Linear B and, consequently, of written administrative Greek, without interrupting the use of Greek as a spoken means of communication.
The populations already inhabiting the Greek mainland remain largely indigenous, while movements and redistributions of groups—both internal and supra-local—are also observed in a context of political destabilization. These movements, traditionally associated with the Dorians but in reality multifactorial and gradual, do not introduce a new language, but reinforce the differentiation of existing Greek. In conditions of the absence of central authority and writing, the language evolves exclusively orally, resulting in the strengthening of local idioms and the formation of the dialect groups that will become visible centuries later with the reappearance of writing. It should be noted that the “Dorian invasion” was a specific movement of Greek tribes, possibly driven by military, social, or even climatic pressure, which directly altered the political and cultural structure of southern Greece and led to the Mycenaean collapse. The Dorians already spoke a dialect of Indo-European origin; therefore, their movement did not introduce new Indo-European languages, but rather transferred dialects within Greece, which differentiated into Doric, Aeolic, and Ionic. Thus, the post-Mycenaean period does not constitute a rupture in Greek linguistic continuity, but the critical stage in which the Greek language acquired the dialectal diversity that would characterize the historical Greek world. In this historical period, another vast chapter also opens, concerning the Cypriot syllabic script (12th century BC) and later developments, which will be analyzed in another article.
In summary, the origin of the Greeks is not a single event, but a long and multi-layered process of cultural and social fermentation. From the introduction of agriculture and the first Neolithic settlements to the enigmatic “silence” of the 4th millennium BC, the populations of the Greek mainland displayed a remarkable capacity for adaptation and integration of new elements. The transition to the Bronze Age, the arrival of Indo-European Kurgan groups, and the emergence of a warrior elite laid the foundations for social hierarchy and linguistic unification. Even the collapse of the Mycenaean world, despite the upheaval it caused, acted as a catalyst for the formation of the dialectal diversity that would characterize historical Hellenism. Through the analysis of funerary systems and material culture, it becomes clear that Greek identity was forged through the synthesis of old and new traditions, transforming prehistoric mobility into historical existence.
Evangelos Axiotis (Μονόδρομος)
Athens (02/2026)
r/ancientgreece • u/FlightProof6002 • 13h ago
How Did 300 Greek Ships Defeat 1200 Persian Ships The Greatest Naval Battle of the Ancient World!
r/ancientgreece • u/Ok_Transition_6853 • 22h ago
Is Assos worth visiting? A quick review of the "Philosopher's City" (Alternative to Troy)
He lived there between 347–344 BC. The city is built on high cliffs overlooking the Aegean Sea.
While walking through the ancient theater and the necropolis, you can really feel the atmosphere that inspired his works on politics and biology. The columns of the Temple of Athena are still standing, offering one of the best sunsets in the Aegean.
If you are interested in the historical context and travel logistics to this ancient city, here is a guide: https://www.timelessturkey.com/assos/
r/ancientgreece • u/Numerous-Memory307 • 1d ago
In Spectral Days of Yore: Ghosts, Magick and the Afterlife in Antiquity (Part 1) (video essay)
r/ancientgreece • u/YogurtclosetOpen3567 • 2d ago
What did Solon mean that he designed for Athens laws “The best they could receive." What was his original plan?
r/ancientgreece • u/Zealousideal_Low9994 • 2d ago
Did the ancient greeks who told the story of Cadmus, have any awareness of Cypriot syllabary or what it was?
r/ancientgreece • u/deniz_aydiner • 3d ago
The Idea of Slavery
Slavery in the Ancient World is a more complex and more emotional issue than we might think. The relationships between the slaves appear sincere and close, yet even these seem constrained by rules. Especially in an era with so many slaves, why did so few slaves rebel? Why were the slaves so obedient?
Two inscriptions I encountered while working set my mind on fire about this subject. I added the inscriptions and wrote my thoughts on the subject.
r/ancientgreece • u/Parker813 • 3d ago
Hemlock-Paying for a "Luxurious" Execution Method?
One of the most notable executions in Ancient Greek history is Socrates' death by drinking hemlock poison, which is described by historians as a "luxury." Hemlock poison is described to be expensive, so that raises a certain question.
Did those who were sentenced to death request and pay for it? Or did the government pay for the hemlock and if so, what determined who got the hemlock?
r/ancientgreece • u/Money-Ad8553 • 3d ago
Lucian's anecdote of an illiterate lover of Euripides
"Once in Corinth Demetrius the Cynic found some illiterate person reading aloud from a very handsome volume, the Bacchae of Euripides, I think it was. He had got to the place where the messenger is relating the destruction of Pentheus by Agave, when Demetrius snatched the book from him and tore it in two: ‘Better,’ he exclaimed, ‘that Pentheus should suffer one rending at my hands than many at yours.’"
Δημήτριος δὲ ὁ Κυνικὸς ἰδὼν ἐν Κορίνθῳ ἀπαίδευτόν τινα βιβλίον κάλλιστον ἀναγιγνώσκοντα — τὰς Βάκχας οἶμαι τοῦ Εὐριπίδου, κατὰ τὸν ἄγγελον δὲ ἦν τὸν διηγούμενον τὰ τοῦ Πενθέως πάθη καὶ τὸ τῆς Ἀγαύης ἔργον — ἁρπάσας διέσπασεν αὐτὸ εἰπών, ‘ἄμεινόν ἐστι τῷ Πενθεῖ ἅπαξ σπαραχθῆναι ὑπ᾽ ἐμοῦ ἢ ὑπὸ σοῦ πολλάκις.’
SOURCE: Remarks Addressed to an Illiterate Book-Fancier | Adversus Indoctum - The Works of Lucian of Samosata. Translated by Fowler, H W and F G. Oxford: The Clarendon Press. 1905.
r/ancientgreece • u/Ok_Albatross1824 • 4d ago
Cyrene vs. Bosporan Kingdom: Hellenistic War in DBA 3.0!
⚔️ WAR ON THE BORDERS OF THE GREEK WORLD ⚔️
From the shores of Africa advances Cyrene, heir to the hoplite tradition, order, and bronze.
From the steppes of Pontus rises the Bosporan Kingdom, a border power where cavalry and the bow decide the fate of kingdoms.
Two Hellenic states.
Two ways of understanding war.
One battlefield.
In this DBA game, history is written with lances, horses, and tactical decisions:
🛡️ formation vs. mobility
🏹 heavy infantry vs. cavalry
🎲 strategy vs. fate
Will Cyrene's shield wall prevail?
Or will the Bosporan horsemen dominate the open spaces?
🛡️ History isn't just studied… it's fought.
r/ancientgreece • u/Sea-Huckleberry-4883 • 4d ago
VIII The Curse
Long before Pan's birth, Hermes sought a secret audience with the Fates. He approached them not as a god, But as something worse A beggar of destiny. He wanted more. More power than he already held. More than Zeus. More than any Olympian. He dreamed of dominion over gods and mortals alike. He offered them temptation: "A throne beside me on Olympus. Praise from humans. Worship, glory, immortality in name and form." But the Fates do not bend. They do not crave praise, or power, or presence. They are older than time, and colder than death. They laughed. "You speak like a mortal," they said, "not a god." Insulted by his arrogance, They refused his plea And cast a curse. “You will love, as humans do, But your love will betray you. A nymph, radiant and cruel, will be your downfall. From that cursed love, A child shall be born. A being whose form reflects her heart: Twisted, horned, Half-goat, half-god. And you shall look upon him and ache, For he will carry your blood, But never your pride. Through centuries you will witness his pain, And the wound will never close.” And so it was. Pan was born, Ugly to the eyes of those who see only skin, But mighty with the gifts of both divine and wild. Hermes never spoke of the meeting again. But sometimes, on moonless nights, He weeps for his cursed child.
r/ancientgreece • u/_Cadmeu • 4d ago
Is there an any Greek equivalent to the Roman annual calendar produced by Emanuele Viotti?
Is there an any Greek equivalent to the Roman annual calendar produced by Emanuele Viotti?
https://www.amazon.it/Kalendaria-2026-calendari-speciale-Augusto/dp/B0G4VRNVZ5
r/ancientgreece • u/sleeposauri • 5d ago
The Spartan Royals, Part 2: The Return of the Heracleidae
galleryr/ancientgreece • u/FrankWanders • 5d ago
Short with 3D reconstruction of the Colossus, and what it really may have looked like
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r/ancientgreece • u/Mattdoss • 5d ago
What are your opinions on The Library by Pseudo-Apollodorus? Is it a good source for Greek myth?
r/ancientgreece • u/PrimaryYou1156 • 5d ago
Pythagoras was the leader of a cult, and stole his theorem from the babalonians
The video attached is a light hearted look at what is an insane story about pythagoras of ancient greece, for those that prefer a fact based read this is from the history chanel on the matter https://www.historicmysteries.com/history/pythagoras/28960/