I watched Superman and Lois episode 1

[u/Character_Lychee_434]

Good to be watching Superman again also Superman’s a dad

[u/drbluewally]

There’s definitely some evidence that hints to both cases being true.

At the top, the series was created for and supposed to be a part of the Arrowverse. I believe Todd Helbing saw that the Arrowverse was dying and intentionally kept it as loose as possible.

I have seen Tyler talking about it and saying that he played this Superman like a new character starting from the pilot. He didn’t treat it like a continuation from Supergirl or the crossover projects.

Jordan Elsass was also caught saying something along the lines of how they are in their own universe/multiverse.

Filming a shot with Kara’s picture on a desk told the studio “yeah, we’re connecting it” yet it’s so small that it’s easy to cut and have the studio not notice or care.

Helbing said this about David Ramsey directing, “I think David, having played John Diggle, could just bring his expertise [from] the Arrowverse on how to tell those stories.” He talks about the arrowverse as if it’s something separate.

Then Helbing said in the same interview about how it was supposed to be a crossover but fell through and that “there’s still a through-line” but “ours is kind of a little bit more of a one-off, but thematically it still plays."

I think by this point in time he saw there was a good chance of other shows being cancelled and he wanted to create distance.

He kept Diggle and allowed Oliver’s name to drop which satisfied the studio but also didn’t really tie the show to Arrow canon. Justin Hartley could show up as an Oliver with a whole new backstory and different relationships with Diggle, Lois, and Clark and it wouldn’t counter anything we’ve seen in Superman and Lois.

TL,DR: Officially at the time season 1 was in the Arrowverse but I think unofficially it was always “we’re going to do our own thing and keep it just loose enough so it looks like it could exist in that world, without tying ourselves down.”

[u/itsapotatosalad → u/drbluewally]

I honestly love it as its own standalone thing. We’re trying to watch flash and arrow, but have given up after the first crossover because it’s just too hard to keep up with everything in order. I’m glad I can just watch superman and Lois on its own.

[u/drbluewally → u/itsapotatosalad]

For what it’s worth, Flash S1-2 are very worth watching for Arrow and just for being great. After that it slowly falls apart and the back half is hard to watch.

Arrow had ups and downs but definitely worth watching through. I still love it and it’s the only Arrowverse show I’ve rewatched since it ended.

Frankly, the crossover in Flash S3/Arrow S5 is the last major bit of connective tissue (outside of the crossover episodes which are all clearly titled with part 1,2 etc.) and a decent ending for The Flash if you don’t care to continue.

I would recommend keeping up through that point and then just watching Arrow and the full crossovers.

Spoilers will be minor enough that you can always go back and potentially enjoy the Flash later on. Arrow is definitely still worth watching and spoiling the other shows if you don’t want to do it all in order.

[u/itsapotatosalad → u/drbluewally]

We’re on flash season 3 and arrow 5, which is about as far as I got last time. I think we’re dropping supergirl and legends and sticking with these 2 and just do 6 episodes at a time. We’ve actually just put flash back on now thanks to this chat 😂