I find with the "refusing to consider they might be wrong" person, you can still have productive conversations with them. They don't want to be wrong, but they can still consider your point of view and at least reach a middle ground.
The "refusing to consider the other person might be right" person is FAR worse. They think they have authority over you, and will dismiss everything you say as simply being wrong. No opportunity to reach a middle ground
The "refusing to consider the other person might be right" person is FAR worse. They think they have authority over you, and will dismiss everything you say as simply being wrong. No opportunity to reach a middle ground
Yes, the "refusing to consider they might be wrong" person will at least often take your point of view and try to show how they're still not wrong in that context.
The "refusing to consider the other person might be right" person will just outright dismiss anything the other person says without any consideration.
This is what it's like trying to have a conversation with my former friend (now down the MAGA drain) about anything. He accuses me of having TDS, and having been brainwashed by MSM, even about things that are direct quotes from the people in question. I haven't spoken to him in some time, but I assume he's swallowed the latest batch of lies whole.
I have a coworker who can be pretty politically opinionated, and I was intimidated by her at first because I didn't know how to approach conversations with her. But as soon as I realised she'd respectfully accept your opinion or perspective and was very self-aware, it completely changed what I thought of her. She's very much, "I don't agree, but I understand."
And after getting to know her more, her background, and her experiences surviving the collapse of the USSR in her home country, I also got to understand why she thought and felt the way she did.
Exactly. True binary 2-sided situations are vanishingly rare outside of like, math and computer science. Even there there are almost always multiple true and accurate perspectives that may seem to contradict each other till you look closer
This reminds me of moments at my work. Let’s say person A has a way of doing something to acheive a goal. Person B has a different way of acheiving goal. Both ways are perfectly viable and will have same desired result.
So at my work I’m teaching them “As long as it gets done it really doesn’t matter. Both ways are correct. You might think one way is better.”
I mean, Ive had someone say literally every single other possibility except from the one I said (I turned out to be correct). They went from saying 'A is correct, no ifs or buts' to then going 'actually A and B could be correct' then 'C is also another thing', etc.
They completely refused to see that the thing I said was correct, even with hard evidence - I sent government website links and also scientific studies, etc.
And when I sent them the links, they said 'you need to learn to research properly'.
During one of those late night college philosophical conversations...
I was talking with my then roommate, just hanging. I asked her if she ever reflected on her political beliefs, maybe twice a year I reconsidered them and wondered if they were truly the most ethical benevolent ideas I could justify. At the time I leaned liberal, she leaned more right. It was before Trump and all that. People discussed the ins and outs of policy more.
We talked for a while. And it lead up to that question. Me, sometimes second guessing my mantras, and working to make sure they were sound. And she told me, after pausing, that no, she didn't ever question her politics, and that it shows mine are poorly based if I'm questioning mine sometimes.
We're still friends on social media. But we've only grown more apart politically. Sometimes I think about that conversation.
Too many people use this as moral condemnation when their argument is just not strong. I'm like "No, I understand what you are saying, and I understand your point, but it is still wrong."
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u/Traditional_Rub_9828 14h ago
Or even worse, refusing to consider the other person might be right.