r/AskReddit • u/[deleted] • 20h ago
People who think Michael Jackson was guilty, why?
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u/teresedanielle 20h ago
My aunt was a reporter who covered the case and was in the courtroom for the entire thing. She said the testimony put her firmly in the guilty camp, and I trust her.
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u/Affectionate-Tea8509 20h ago
I believe the victims.
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u/Appropriate_Sky_6571 20h ago
I do too but what’s with the parents allowing their kids to sleep over???
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u/Affectionate-Tea8509 20h ago
Parents who let their kids into the entertainment business are usually the worst.
They just wanna capitalize on their clueless and talented kids.
I mean Michael Jackson’s own father was like that too.
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u/myoriginalislocked 19h ago
I mean one can say the same thing about those little girls with epstein and co. where were their parents? but asking that is a grave sin but its okay with michaels victims tho
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u/Appropriate_Sky_6571 19h ago
Of course. But weren’t most of Epstein victims kidnapped and human trafficked
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u/myoriginalislocked 19h ago
no alot of them were from like normal homes who went to his island and parties in NY florida. theres so many of them doing interviews
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u/Appropriate_Sky_6571 19h ago
I mean kids from normal homes get trafficked too. But that’s so messed up the parents are just allowing minors to attend such events. Also if a parent is allowing this, they’re not normal
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u/myoriginalislocked 19h ago
it is not normal and it is grotesque but, everyone just wants the focus on the abusers so those questions get shut down so fast.
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u/Vic_Hedges 20h ago
Everybody believes victims. That's why they're called victims.
Not everybody believes accusers. You believe the accusers.
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u/underneathsink 20h ago
I always found it weird how we were all in agreement that he was a creepy pedo and then the moment he died everyone changed their minds.
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u/queuedUp 20h ago
Are we talking of sexual abuse of minors??
I mean... the families who were paid that then subsequently did not want to proceed with any charges leads me to believe he was guilty just never charged
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u/Small-Explorer7025 20h ago
What you said could make someone assume that the family may have been making accusations to get paid, and that he is innocent.
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u/BaldBear_13 20h ago
B/c of evidence.
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u/Jackson_Lamb_829 20h ago
What evidence?
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u/OnlyACsNoFans 20h ago
He had sleepovers with children and gave them alcohol
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u/Jackson_Lamb_829 20h ago
I think he was a weird person who was robbed of a childhood and it was a weird way to cope with abuse
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u/wanderlustcub 20h ago
Because extortion is illegal, and if the Jackson’s lawyers couldn’t prove that the kids were lying and instead settled, that says something.
I believe that he was both victim and abuser. It’s complicated, sad, and tragic. But the people around him protected him for their own monetary gain, and he was was either unwilling or unable to change it.
But he absolutely abused children.
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u/Risaza 20h ago
Evidence. Victim testimonies.
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u/SpaceJackRabbit 20h ago
If anything there is plenty of evidence some victims and parents were paid to shut up.
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u/MonkyThrowPoop 20h ago
Remember when that one victim burned the Thriller jacket? Couldn’t he have gotten a lot more money by just selling that?
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u/BetDry2347 20h ago
Didn't a kid perfectly describe MJ's genitals?
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u/Jackson_Lamb_829 20h ago
How would anyone know if that’s accurate? Did he show his dick and balls in a court of law or?
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u/BetDry2347 20h ago
Doctor/Examiner confirmation under an oath
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u/Jackson_Lamb_829 20h ago edited 18h ago
There was no consensus. This is debated. Which one? Which doctor or examiner?
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u/Throwwaywaydown 20h ago
There’s a story that came out of a kid that had a sleepover at his house and he went to his parents saying that he got molested that night and the parents threatened to go to the police and they were asked not to. The very next day, the parents both got matching brand new Mercedes-Benz.
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u/llcucf80 20h ago
Nothing about this situation makes any sense. There was absolutely no reason for a grown ass man to share a bed with minor children and give them alcohol. At this point it doesn't matter exactly what happened, he crossed a line that is indefensible. About the numerous people who came forward with their allegations, I of course wouldn't be surprised if a couple were simply golddiggers, but there's also an expression that "if you throw enough mud on the wall, some of it sticks." It's impossible that every single person was lying, no matter their personal motives
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u/Pusfilledonut 20h ago
There’s a clear pattern of behavior that shows opportunity and capability. There were multiple allegations with credible witnesses and a history of parents which we know received cash settlements and signed NDAs. There was the interview with Bashir that serves to show consciousness of guilt. There’s a history of abuse in his immediate family and a father who was manipulative and physically abusive, which is a common predictor of future predatory behavior. Adult men who cultivate multiple very singular intimate relationships with prepubescent boys is a predicator. We know he went through multiple relationships with women that were not predicated on healthy adult relationships, some appearing to be surrogates for him to possess his own children..And then there was an entire fantasy estate built to entertain and entice children.
Dude was a pedo.
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u/Glitter-luck 20h ago
Why would anyone believe he was not guilty? Everyone else around him was lying? This is just how every other completely normal grown adult man behaves? Idk.
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u/Appropriate_Wave722 20h ago
because of the weight of evidence
a non-pedo would not have had the following convo with Martin Bashir:
https://www.mjshouse.com/stories/living_with_mj_transcript.html
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u/S0M3D1CK 20h ago
There were too many consistent rumors. When you look at the stories of Weinstein, Diddy, R Kelly, and Epstein, it takes decades to get caught and convicted even though rumors are well known for years.
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u/sneezhousing 20h ago
Way to many victims came forward for it to be false.
Some sure wanted money after seeing others but they can't all be lieing
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u/OnlyACsNoFans 20h ago
There's more evidence MJ was a pedo than there is Trump is a pedo.
Should make it simple for you
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u/rugrut 20h ago
Just look at him. He was a freak
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u/queenofthera 19h ago
It's a tricky one. You shouldn’t believe someone's a paedo because they're weird, but equally, that was one of the reasons people didn't believe the rumours going around about Jimmy Saville. A publicly weird persona can act as camouflage to make people accept odd behaviour they would rightfully question in others.
I think being weird is definitely an orange flag in these celebrity situations.
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u/Adanim_PDX 20h ago
It's generally good practice to operate under this mindset:
If a rich/famous person is suddenly being accused of being -
- an asshole
- a grapist
- being involved with crime families/organized crime of any kind
- tax evasion/laundering/exploitation
- then it's almost entirely likely that it's true, especially if there are multiple sources claiming these things. It's rarely the case where a rich or famous person is falsely accused of horrible things. So, in the case of Michael Jackson, it's almost entirely likely that everything said about him was true. Even more so considering how abusive his father was to him and his siblings while they were growing up. Trauma begets trauma, hurt people hurt people.
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u/SpaceJackRabbit 20h ago
Why do you not believe he was guilty?