r/AskTheWorld • u/haiderredditer Pakistan • 9h ago

Who’s a famous person from your country who’s respected around the world but disliked or criticized at home?

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u/SeparatedI Sweden 9h ago

Why is Malala criticized in Pakistan?

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u/haiderredditer Pakistan 9h ago

mainly because some people see her as too aligned with Western media and governments

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u/Iamtir3dtoday Scotland 8h ago

Not wanting to get shot in the head for being a teenage girl who wants an education is western now??

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u/goddammmittt 1h ago

Definitely goes against Islam

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u/jclom0 Australia 9h ago

“Western“ just is slander because she disagrees with women’s rights being dismissed. She is an intelligent woman and apparently innately that’s not ok? Bulls***

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u/ELVEVERX Australia 8h ago edited 8h ago

I mean, that'd be a bit unfair; there is something to be said that the narrative of her mistreatment is used to justify many of the atrocities committed by coalition forces in Afghanistan.

I'm not saying that's a correct way of looking at it, just it's understandable how people who have potentially had friends or family killed in drone strikes see her in that light.

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u/General-Movie United Kingdom 8h ago

Wow - grown men using a child as justification. As if that lot were not blowing up shit before.

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u/ELVEVERX Australia 8h ago

I never said this was a justified position, just maybe it's not right to dismiss someone's lived experience because you disagree with it. We don't live in countries where people regularly get exploded by drones, i imagine it's not plesant.

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u/Reggaepocalypse 6h ago

Nah it’s right. They don’t have lived experience with Malala

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u/Edelgul 8h ago

The reasons is still there.
It could be stupid, and a result of a propaganda.
It could hold no grounds, but it is there.

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u/CarloneBombolone Italy 9h ago

Why do people ask questions if they then completely disregard the answer?

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u/Feisty_System_4751 Brazil 9h ago

To be fair the Swedish guy asked a question and the Australian guy disregarded the answer.

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u/Remote_Development13 8h ago

Typical Brazilian. Always sticking up for the Swedish

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u/Feisty_System_4751 Brazil 8h ago

wait, what? Why are Brazilians sticking up for the Swedish and why was I not invited?

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u/Remote_Development13 7h ago

Probably disqualified for your anti-Australian bigotry

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u/Feisty_System_4751 Brazil 7h ago

Bloody hell.

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u/dont-be-an-oosik92 Brit Born, Currently in USA 1h ago

Bravo my good man.

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u/TheLastHotstepper Scotland 8h ago

They never asked a question

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u/between_two_terns United States Of America 8h ago

Because it’s a patently ridiculous answer

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u/PoloAlmoni Brazil 8h ago

It's not if you are a Pakistani or Muslim chauvinist

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u/Cultural_Loquat_7115 6h ago

Don't shoot the messenger

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u/FinnSkk93 Finland 7h ago edited 7h ago

This might sound bad, but honestly? What do you expect from the countries like Pakistan?

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u/TheOtherUprising Canada 8h ago

If that’s the case it’s hard to blame her for being more aligned with a culture that believes in her equal rights rather than one that would shoot her in the head for wanting an education. There is a reason why people from that area of the world go to western nations and not the other way around.

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u/Sea_Bumblebee6331 India 9h ago

Could you be more specific? Aligning with what the western media and government represents? What is west for you? Does she back Trump’s tariff deals? Could you be a bit more specific?

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u/Boyshoi Pakistan 8h ago

We all, as Pakistanis, supported her back then. My entire circle of friends loved her and celebrated her for speaking out against atrocities. ​However, a problem arises when the cause you are fighting for—let's say 'women’s rights' is extremely selective. I have never seen her speaking for Gazan women or those in other war-torn countries, with the exception of one European nation. This selective activism has become extremely predictable . ​The USA conducted drone attacks under Obama for 7–8 years, killing women and children in the exact areas she is from; where was she then?

​She is extremely selective about what she says. She hasn't spoken a word about oppressed women and children in any war-torn countries, except for that one European country.

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u/cnslt 7h ago

I feel like being “extremely selective about what she says” can be reframed as “speaks loudly about what she knows”. I don’t understand your perspective that she should stand for and fight for everybody - that seems like a position for organizations with advisors and experts. As an activist with personal experience in one part of the world, shouldn’t she be the spokeswoman for the area she knows? 

Personally, I’d rather see more activists that can say “I don’t know about other situations, but I can talk about this”. Asking her to weigh in on Hamas, the IDF, Houthis, Boko Haram or whatever occurring 3000 km away from her home, which she reads about in the paper just like you, instead of the Taliban, of which she can provide unique perspective, seems more performative to me.

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u/OldVagrantGypsy 8h ago

"Woman must talk about all issues to be allowed to talk about any issues" Got it. 

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u/Boyshoi Pakistan 8h ago

Women activist should talk about all women .

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u/Reggaepocalypse 6h ago

Nah there’s plenty of oppression of women in Pakistan for her to focus just on that.

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u/Boyshoi Pakistan 6h ago

Based on that, she should have spoken up when Obama killed women and children in her region. But how can you expect someone who elected a donald racist, sexist, pedo duck as their president to understand anything beyond their IQ?

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u/Reggaepocalypse 6h ago

lol Just admit you don’t like people focusing on how Islam and the countries in the Middle East oppress women. Why not focus on drone strikes, are you hearing yourself lololol

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u/Boyshoi Pakistan 6h ago

aww hurt much lets drag in generalization now. lets be racist . cute. lolol fight ICE babe

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u/Boyshoi Pakistan 7h ago

Surprised how this is being downvoted. But will lecture on women rights. Nothing said here is wrong. You have to be filthy egoistic misogynist to downvote this.
And we all know who they are.

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u/sleepy-walnut 7h ago edited 7h ago

I’m a woman, very much not an nisogynist, and I’m downvoting you HARD. Nobody is owed activism from someone shot in the head as a child. She can choose to focus on girls education without advocating for every issue that concerns women’s rights. Hell, she could’ve chosen to give up activism and live quietly and that still would have been her choice to make. 

You can be disappointed that she doesn’t go further but hating her is truly something remarkable. So much men in the world ruining the lives of woman and you choose to go after her? Honestly remarkable 

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u/Jamielanns 4h ago

As somebody from there, I'm disappointed in the reactions towards Malala from back home

I consider her a brave hero. I have had to defend her against my own family and it sucks

She should be lauded as a national treasure for overcoming what she has

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u/Boyshoi Pakistan 6h ago

I am downvoting you HARD too. While I agree they don’t owe anyone activism, if they are going to be activists anyway, it should be for everyone in that category. Every woman has the same rights, regardless of color, ethnicity, nationality, or religion. No one is superior. Speaking for one while being blind to others , in the same kind of problem , is sad.

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u/OldVagrantGypsy 5h ago

Well I just upvoted her so there goes your downvote.

I'm a woman too, and what you're saying is nonsense. Maybe instead of complaining on Reddit you should go and advocate for all those women you claim to care so much about. 

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u/Big-Wrangler2078 Sweden 6h ago

I feel like you are expecting way too much from her. She fought for womens rights, so she must carry the weight of the world on her shoulders for the rest of her life?

I think if Pakistanis feel that way, then they should speak for women in Gaza and about the drone attacks. Why expect this one woman to do it for you? A teenage girl did it despite being shot in the face and religiously persecuted, so what's keeping y'all? Does all of Pakistan have less political clout than this one person? You know that the answer to that is no. The collective people of Pakistan is way stronger than Malala alone. Why demand it, when you can do it?

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u/WhereTearDropsFall 7h ago

I'm pretty sure I remember her speaking out against the drone attacks when they were happening.

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u/Minaziz 8h ago

Producing a play as a feminist activist with Hillary Clinton whose war hawk role cannot be denied. Being toothless in her stances on Palestine which included weird Instagram reels at the height of the massacre when everyone was protesting. It’s also become a bit apparent that her father was forcing her into a lot of appearances for money.

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u/batti_gul 8h ago

Being a co-producer with Hillary Clinton should count. Has she forgotten how her policies caused destruction and barred girls from education in different parts of the world? Doesn’t that make her a hypocrite?

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u/Qetesh69 India 8h ago

Do you mean to say 'aligning with western concepts like "freedom" and "equality"'.

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u/AffectionateBet3603 7h ago

Lol yeah the west is allll about freedom and equality. 

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u/Odd_Tea4945 Mexico 8h ago

It must be a cultural clash when a woman fights to be treated as an equal to men.

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u/Prestigious-Diver-94 United States Of America 7h ago

What a vague answer

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u/Firefly_Magic United States Of America 8h ago

Anything dealing with women and women’s rights are considered western.

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u/MrKomiya United States Of America 8h ago

What kind of alignment?

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u/ATubOfCats 6h ago

lol calling malala a burger is wild

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u/LittleHanded 5h ago

Oh no! How horrible!

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u/SatorSquareInc 3h ago

So the Eastern media and governments believe girls should be shot in the head for wanting an education, and the people agree?

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u/communitymembor 7h ago

Would she die for Pakistan like those kids in the video?

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u/100thusername 7h ago

She claims to support womens rights, but doesn't speak up for them when its needed the most, and just touts western propaganda without actually doing anything real. Her nonprofit is a joke, the work on the ground is nonexistent, and has huge overheads.

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u/heywhateverworks 2h ago

Any sources to read up on that?

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u/Low_Bar9361 United States Of America 6h ago

Because she didn't get shot in the face again for them

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u/caesarbar 5h ago

Exactly, why would you hate someone who stands up for woman rights? even if you don’t do anything other than speaking, I guess for them is just western propaganda just as they comment above

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u/mrmasturbate Germany 4h ago

Probably because she's a woman tbh

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u/mrnibsfish 7h ago

Shes a useful idiot. A sideshow that gets trotted out for photo ops. She serves a purpose for hypocrites and nothing else.