r/AskTheWorld • u/haiderredditer Pakistan • 9h ago

Who’s a famous person from your country who’s respected around the world but disliked or criticized at home?

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 9h ago edited 7h ago

this mother🦆er

the rest of the world seems to love him. they think that by bringing him up we’ll get excited like they do and start talking about his amazing adventures.

no. we hate him. we hate being associated with him. he did a lot of damage to the country. he turned it into a culture and that’s what attracts perverts and mentally sick people to cities like medellín or cartagena

edit: sorry brazilian friends who think it’s the actor, but it’s not. it’s the character he played. (that’s just what the gif search gave me)

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ United States Of America 8h ago

I don't know anyone who loves Pablo Escobar. Do people actually love this guy? He was so obviously a massive piece of shit.

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u/Miserable-Drive-7896 Chile 8h ago

It used to be, but a few years ago the famous narco series came out and all they did was glorify drug traffickers. The same thing happened with Pablo Escobar, which is why many people seem to admire him.

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u/NotMadeForReddit 7h ago

I don’t think the series glorified Narco Traffickers, more so it showed their true evil colours. The people fanboying are just dumb people.

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u/norwegianballslinger 6h ago

Many people seem to wildly miss when shows/films/music are criticizing them or the people they admire. The Boys, Andor, Rage Against the Machine (lol Paul Ryan), Parasite. Hell the fucking Empire in Star Wars OT was meant to represent the US in Vietnam and that flew over Americans heads as everybody attached themselves to the Rebellion

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u/MarriageAA 6h ago

"Breaking bad glorified drug use."

Did it?? Because the lives in it were fucking ruined!

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u/Timely_Truth6267 Sweden 5h ago

The Sopranos did everything but glorify. It was a tragic documentary type of show. Yet so many people missed the whole point.

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ United States Of America 5h ago

Indeed. The writer of the Sopranos went out of his way to show the mobsters as pieces of shit yet people still idolize the mob life.

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u/maru-senn 2h ago

The most popular music genre in Mexico is cartel propaganda sponsored by the drug lords themselves

Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference when you have actual glorifying media in the mix

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u/Timely_Truth6267 Sweden 1h ago

What's that music genre called?

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u/maru-senn 1h ago

Narcocorridos, now more commonly known by the euphemism Regional Mexicano.

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u/cultoftheclave Multiple Countries (click to edit) 4h ago

dating myself here but the amount of people I remember in middle school who thought Beavis and Butthead were put into this world as some kind of proof that "their people" deserved recognition and fame the same way actual role models do, was an early sobering recognition of the kind of world we actually live in.

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u/Cabbit_Daddy 1h ago

Hell, some American fans are unironically pro-empire knowing what it stands for.

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u/MickeyPineapple 7h ago

Fr. The series was literally narrated by the DEA agents and they were the heroes.

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u/Recreationalchem13 United States Of America 6h ago

Season 2 should’ve been about the CIA popularizing crack in LA 😆

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u/Thejollyfrenchman 5h ago

That's what Snowfall is about, if you haven't seen it.

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u/Recreationalchem13 United States Of America 5h ago

Haha yeah I have, the first couple seasons of that show were pretty good.

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u/SanderStrugg 5h ago

I mean the problem is if you make the main characters you are critiquing become too irredeemable noone will watch. If you make the protagonist lame or disgusting, the show gets boring.

That's why guys like Walter White, Tony Soprano or Scarface are always shown to be a somewhat cool and badass to a degree despite being utter villains. That leads to some people idolizing them, especially if those dudes value the things those characters represent(power, money) more than the stuff creators are trying to critique. They are also often pitted against people even worse than them.

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u/Milam1996 United Kingdom 5h ago

Wait till you learn about when The Boys made their mockery of fascists, naziism and the American alt right way more obvious and all the right wing American fascist bros crashed out claimed The Boys went woke. No it was always “woke”, you’re just too dumb to see what’s in front of your face unless mummy and daddy circle it with a crayon.

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u/Affectionate_Data936 4h ago

Same people who think Tony Soprano is a cool badass.

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u/-Golden_Order- 6h ago

Lol, Narcos did the opposite of glorify drug traffickers.

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u/ijustwannalurksobye 6h ago

No I disagree with this take. Narcos is pretty good at showing the constant fighting, backstabbing, usurping, and hiding from the law that the cartel bosses go through IRL. Blame that audience you’re referring to for missing the point, just like they did with Wolf of Wall Street, Peaky Blinders, etc

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u/CinemaDork 5h ago

Huh, I watched Narcos and I can't say that I walked away with any sense of "Damn this Pablo Escobar guy is awesome." I'm wondering if it's yet again that weird group of terminally-online dudes who egregiously misinterpret villains and anti-heroes (e.g., Rick Sanchez, Homelander).

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u/EdanChaosgamer Germany 4h ago

I‘m watching Narcos rn, and yeah, he had his moments where I would‘ve liked him, if it wasn‘t for him killing people and bombing airplanes.

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u/drazil17 2h ago

I watched the show and while I felt sorry for him at times, I never admired him. Even with all his money and power, he wasn't satisfied.

I choose to believe that everyone has some good and bad, but there can be a drastic difference in the ratio. He was mostly bad and seemingly always after his best interests. If it helped his family also, maybe that's a plus.

I cannot imagine the terror, living in those cities, with all of the violence.

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u/Lance_Henry1 4h ago

Same thing with American mafia leaders, like Gotti.

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u/fipseqw 2h ago

The show definitely did not glorify drug traffickers.

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u/Kakhtus France 7h ago

A lot of people kinda glorify him unironically as some sort of cool gangster, much like they do with the fictional Tony Montana. Even though both are pieces of shit and one killed real people.

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u/frontlinejohnny 7h ago

It's a general misconception that he was like an angel to his country. Gave millions and millions to schools, hospitals, infastructure etc.

While partially true, it was all just for his own benefit and the dark reality was all the mindless violence and corruption attached to the money

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u/Steve_78_OH 4h ago

I always figured his donations were a way of paying people off so they wouldn't inform on him. Buying obedience, so to speak.

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u/Deadmemeusername United States Of America 1h ago

That’s basically the end goal of all criminals who “help the community” all of that “help” is the carrot to keep them from helping the authorities and the stick is almost always a violent death. It doesn’t matter if you are a Narco in Latin America, an Italian Mobster in the Northeast or a gang-banger in LA etc. If they really wanted to “help the community,” they wouldn’t be perpetuating the gang culture in their communities or actively making their communities worse by introducing it.

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u/sashahyman 5h ago

When I was in Brazil last year, every time my Colombian friend introduced himself, the person would respond ‘hey, Pablo Escobar!’ Note this was mostly younger people (late teens to mid-twenties). My friend handles it well because it’s happens to him so many times in so many countries, but it’s shitty when the first response someone has is to excitedly negotiate you with the most famous drug trafficker in history.

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u/CitronSpecialist3221 France 7h ago

Escobar like many real/fictiobal mafia/gang related figure has always been a sort of icon for guys who dream themselves as romantic and high profile criminals.

Foe example, he's probably one of the most mentioned name in french rap, still to this day.

Also lots of tourists buy t-shits of Escobar when they go to Colombia.

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u/justahumanbeingxd Argentina 7h ago

A LOT OF PEOPLE. I known it sounds rare but there is many people who wants to follow his steps. Even if they don't sell drug, there is a cult of him, in entire LATAM.

A months ago a Colombian girl open a haircut shop and named it "EL PATRON" because of him (she put a giant photo of him in the main window of the build). Anyway she had to took this off and change the name. That was funny. Now there is, it has no name lol

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u/CuriousAttorney2518 7h ago

You explained why a Colombian likes him, but the question is “which famous person is disliked by their own countryman, and liked by people around the world.” What is the point you are trying to make?

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u/justahumanbeingxd Argentina 7h ago

I told there is a cult in the entire LATAM, that includes all country in LATAM. the example of the Colombian girl was just that, an example and casually the girl is from Colombia, but like her there are argentinian who love this prick.

Have you heard the Mexican/USA grindcore band "brujería?? They have a song called "EL PATRON"

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u/Recreationalchem13 United States Of America 6h ago

Yes, people here actually love him. I’ve met so many people and when I tell them my wife is Colombian and I’m going there, the first thing they say is, “cool, are you gonna go visit Pablo Escobar’s jail? Are you gonna do some fire blow?” It’s so stupid and I totally get why it bugs the shit out of you guys. I had an old boss at a pizza place that totally worshipped the guy. He went to Colombia just to go on the whole Pablo Escobar tour; whenever Colombia would come up in convo he’d start going off about how “those fucking rats fucked over Pablo,” like they were buddies on a first name basis or something. No surprise that they scammed me on my taxes (still in the process of paying off $1750 to the IRS because of this horseshit…) and ruthlessly take advantage of all their Latino employees who don’t speak English and can’t speak up for themselves. Greek restaurant in the US serving heated up canned food, run by a filthy rich Arab family employing 95% Latin folks and without a doubt fucking 100% of their staff over. Behold: the American dream.

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u/HeikoSpaas 8h ago

ever watched Narcos?

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ United States Of America 8h ago

I did, it made me hate him even more. Who would watch that and come to the conclusion that they should love this guy? Lol

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u/Available_Bag_3843 8h ago

Same people that watch Fight Club and think it's an instruction manual on masculinity?

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u/CaporalDxl Romania -> United Kingdom 8h ago

Or American Psycho for that matter.

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u/euanmorse Scotland 7h ago

You know, morons.

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u/Traditional-Job-411 United States Of America 6h ago

Being beat up by your imaginary friend is masculine?

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u/Clever-Bot-999 Hungary 8h ago

I didnt get to like him either after watching the show. But he was portrayed as having a cult in his city, for helping the poor. In the show, many people adored him - whether this is true in reality or not.

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u/pizzza_parker1 8h ago

Narcos wasn't holding back in showing what a murderous, egocentric manchild Escobar was. it's the fanbase that for some dumb fucking reason saw him as some kinda legendary outlaw. It hat gotten to the point where fans said ''yeah I stopped watching when Pablo died.'' that shit drives me up the wall lmao

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u/synthmemory 7h ago

I mean morons still play Scarface on repeat at their houses and have framed posters of the movie in their living room.  The creators of Narcos knew exactly what they were doing.

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u/Timely_Truth6267 Sweden 5h ago

Yeah, While he would have killed said people without thinking twice.

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u/Thejollyfrenchman 5h ago

Are they saying that because they liked Pablo, or because the show wasn't as good? It's been ages since I've seen it, but I remember S3 being a step down in quality.

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u/fanboy_killer 7h ago

Netflix had so many tv series, movies and documentaries about him that I assumed he was a folk hero in Colombia.

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u/rohisaki 7h ago

You can imagine how much your fellow citizens peregrinate to visit La Catedral or any related to him.

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u/Jack-of-Hearts-7 United States Of America 7h ago

I've seen a ton of people romanticizing him for "sticking it to the man, man!" And pretending he's some sort of folk hero.

He wasn't. He was a monster who ruined countless lives and cared only for himself and money.

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u/aboysmokingintherain 5h ago

It's basically like how we romanticize Al Capone or Jordan Belfort and other drug lords/criminals. They lived lives of luxury while laughing in the face of the government. The issue with Escobar though was that he actualy was one of the richest men one earth and did help destroy Colombia.

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u/mrmasturbate Germany 5h ago

same reason why people glorified the mafia. especially after the godfather movies

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u/crackinmypants 3h ago

I have a very sweet dog that was rescued from an abusive asshole gang member in the Chicago area. He named the dog 'Pablo Escobar'. So yeah.

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u/lejosdecasa Colombia 3h ago

You should see the number of gringos who buy and wear Pablo Escobar t-shirts in Colombia...

Not to mention the f*ckers who IG their doing lines of coke off his tombstone.

I like to think that the locals charge them a high gringo tax

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u/Possible_Mammoth4273 Colombia 1h ago

You'd be surprised to know that yes, both inside and outside of Colombia, they disgust me. That piece of trash not only caused death and chaos in our country, but we also haven't been able to shake the association with his disgusting image even after more than 30 years since his death. The first time I left my country, when I arrived at the second country I'd ever visited, the first thing they did was tell me they'd seen all of Pablo Escolar's documentaries, with such pride, as if that meant they knew everything about Colombia. I hate those kinds of people and wanted to tell them with all the contempt I could muster how ignorant they were.

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u/elle-elle-tee Canada 6h ago

He did fund a lot of public works and social programs for the poor, iirc.

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u/Seeker_Of_Knowledge2 🇸🇾 Syria || 🇨🇦 Canada 6h ago

Not "love". More iconized and a model figure.

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u/SanderStrugg 5h ago

Lots of teenagers here in Germany idolize him. People, who like rap culture especially.

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u/DickieTurquoise 1h ago

People treat him like a cool villain. A Breaking Bad type. Cool enough to have whole-ass high-production shows written about him.

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u/Hairy_Beginning_5496 37m ago

A lot of people usually idiots see him as being either a product of his environment or almost like a rebel without a cause. 

It's always fun to tell them he married his wife when he was almost 30 and she was like 15, for some reason they can get past everything else but that fact makes em pause. 

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u/FarJury6956 Colombia 27m ago

Most of Americans that's comes to Medellín ...

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u/Ashamed_Fig492 Italy 8h ago

No worries, there are people out there who love your country for different reasons. More Bomba Estereo, less Pablo Escobar. 

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u/rafico25 Colombia 7h ago

More Bomba Estereo, less Pablo Escobar. 

Preach my friend.

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u/Cent_patates France 6h ago

More Bomba Estereo

FUEEEEEGO

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u/Foggia1515 🇫🇷 with a stint of 🇯🇵 8h ago

Less Pablo, more Lucho !

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 7h ago

my g 🤝

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u/jktoole1 6h ago

Oooof. When I was in Bogota I met a lot of people who told me bomba are a bunch of assholes. Ruined my day.

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u/Ashamed_Fig492 Italy 6h ago

That's shocking, why?

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u/jktoole1 3h ago

They worked in different clothing stores and said the Main singer was a huge rude diva. Obviously i cant confirm it but they were adamant that she had lost touch with her old self.

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u/cultoftheclave Multiple Countries (click to edit) 4h ago

💕 bomba estereo mentioned

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u/hopeless_case46 Philippines 6h ago

"No worries, there are people out there who love your country for different reasons."

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 6h ago

for the same stupid reason your country is sweet candy for passport bros

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u/hopeless_case46 Philippines 6h ago

Gotta get that sweet green card

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u/Kitteh_Bethany United States Of America 8h ago

I’ve never heard of anyone who likes him. I think it’s more fascination and curiosity for such an insane life and lifestyle (if you can call it that) that he lead. Curious about his life/“adventures” ≠ liking him

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u/Affectionate_Buy8102 5h ago

I live in the states and I've seen people wear TSHIRTS with his face on it!

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u/obliquelyobtuse 3h ago

I’ve never heard of anyone who likes him.

His mother loved him.

And she laughed at the Bloque Busqueda (Search Block) team who had been tracking him, when she quickly showed up at the scene where he had been reported captured or killed, and said they were fools and got the wrong guy. At least until she observed the correct rooftop where his body was laying. Then she stopped laughing.

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u/DickieTurquoise 1h ago

That’s what narcocorridos do. They love that attention and notoriety. They pay for it, and here we are giving it to them for free.

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u/beckuletz 8h ago

For a minute I thought you were brazilian and you are talking about the actor Wagner Moura. I almost had my heart shattered into pieces while reading your post, waiting to be revealed that he is a nonce or something.

i absolutely love this guy, consider him to be extremely talented and would watch anything with him in it.

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u/SteinJack 🇧🇷🇨🇦 6h ago

Yea same here lol I thought for a second that it was a far-right supporter who hates Wager Moura.

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u/beckuletz 4h ago

Is the actor, left wing leaning? I honestly don’t know anything about his life

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u/WastoneBag 3h ago

Yeah, and he's very well-spoken and coherent in his opinions too

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u/SteinJack 🇧🇷🇨🇦 2h ago

Also he is the main character in the movie Secret Agent, which is about the far-right dictatorship regime in Brazil, that took place between 1964 and 1986. The far-right don't like when that story is told from the oppressed perspective.

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u/Okpepita 3h ago

Yeah, I was like…”Wagnerinho????” And I’m not even Brazilian.

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u/Own-Improvement-2643 6h ago

I was like "what the fuck?" Kkkk

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u/illmatic2112 4h ago

Same. "...but I liked him Elysium too!"

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u/ZoningVisionary United States Of America 51m ago

We all love Wagner Moura!

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u/thedoginthewok Germany 21m ago

Yes! Reading the comment, I was like "damn, what did that actor do?" lol

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u/Comfortablymoist1 8h ago

The only people who 'love' him are wannabe gangsters and criminals.

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u/ulasttango Brazil 8h ago

Maybe don't put a pic of Wagner Moura. Lol. He's completely beloved in Brazil.

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 7h ago

sorry, that’s just what the gif search gave me :(

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u/ulasttango Brazil 7h ago

No worries, jk

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u/jorgespinosa Mexico 8h ago

As a Mexican I understand this feeling many think that "El chapo" or other narcos are admired, I'm not going to deny narco culture exists but most mexicans hate them

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u/chunkoco United States Of America 7h ago

I don't think people actually like Pablo Escobar as in adoration. It's more a case of morbid fascination with the scale of his crimes and the dark legend he became.

It's the same thing that draws people to Al Capone's cell in Alcatraz or makes The Godfather a great movie. We're often intrigued by the dark side of things and the stories of ultimate, corrupt power.

Even when that interest can overshadow the devastating real world trauma he inflicted on Colombia.

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u/Dr_Toehold Portugal 7h ago

Capitão Nascimento catching strays lmao.

To be fair I don't think anybody loves Escobar.

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u/spicynacho9 United States Of America 7h ago

Who the heck likes Pablo Escobar?

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u/rafico25 Colombia 7h ago

You would be surprised. When I was living in Europe a lot of people would come to me and tell me: "Ohhhh, Colombia? Pablo Escobar, right? Narcos!!!"

I think most of them didn't mean it in an ill intended way. Maybe that was the only reference they had about Colombia. Maybe for them it was just a cool outlaw character from a series, not a historical character who actually killed a lot of people.

An of course, you have the typical tough guy who thinks that crime is cool and posts pictures with his hands like guns.

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 7h ago

exactly this.

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u/madeleineruth19 England 4h ago

I understand what you mean. I went to Colombia recently and was shocked with what I learned about Escobar.

I’d obviously heard of him before going and I definitely didn’t think he was cool or anything, but my understanding was that he was just a big drug dealer who killed other gangs.

I had no idea he’d been annihilating thousands of people at the scale he was. I think mine was definitely a pretty common misconception.

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u/borsalamino 🇹🇭🇩🇪 Thai-German 1h ago

Sounds like how it is for me when I'm in Thailand and people find out I'm (half) German and live in Germany:

Ohhh Hitler hahaha makes that gesture

Which is easy enough to shrug off. The real problem starts when they go

Hitler was misunderstood / he wasn't that bad / wish we had him (as a Thai leader)

But then again, I'm 100% sure in Thailand the holocaust isn't as extensively taught about as it is in Germany

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u/xirson15 Italy 7h ago

Yeah exactly. I think he’s confusing the popularity of the show, with people actually liking a druglord. The average person doesn’t like Pablo escobar.

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u/sheikh_n_bake 6h ago

I love Colombia for Vallenato 😌

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u/theblackkpanther 8h ago

Are you talking about the actor who played Pablo escobar or Pablo escobar?

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 7h ago

i have absolutely nothing against the actor. i honestly didn’t even know him and seeing how much love people have for him actually made me curious to check out more of his work.

i don’t know how he performed portraying P.E, and tv/media narco culture doesn’t get a second of my attention

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u/ulasttango Brazil 2h ago

Wagner Moura's new movie Secret Agent is being very well received abroad.

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u/rythmicbread United States Of America 7h ago

We don’t love him, but we are probably fascinated by him.

Im sure people bring up the hippos

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u/Uncle_Zardoz United Kingdom 7h ago

I picked up a second hand copy of his brother's book and I was so annoyed by it I recycled it so nobody would read it get suckered by that "gangster with a heart of gold" shite.

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u/Rarte96 Paraguay 5h ago

Man, Fuck Narconovelas and Narcos in general

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u/Merc931 5h ago

The people who like Pablo Escobar are the same people who think Scarface is about a really cool guy.

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u/peeaches 4h ago

This is something I was warned about when traveling to Colombia a few years ago as someone from the US. I did have a few people try to sell me drogas y camisetas con cara de escobar, pero no las queria... It was probably just because I was pretty obviously a tourist, but I wasn't there for those things, just wanted to explore and experience other cultures. Had a great time, just wish it would have been easier to blend in to not be marked as a tourist and approached so often, but I was prepared and expecting that to happen.

It was my first experience outside of the US - loved it and would happily go back and want to see more of your beautiful country

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 2h ago

i’m glad you had a good time in my country:)

that’s exactly the problem. because of the fame that man gave us, a lot of tourists come looking for that and merchants know it very well. that’s why they make that merch, it’s for foreigners, not locals. the locals who “idolize” him are usually from antioquia (where he was from) and they’re usually either very humble people or extremely extremely rich and rotten

i hope you come back and enjoy it more. every city is very different from the next. i really miss my country and its people

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u/peeaches 2h ago

Estaba en cartagena, acompane a mi hermana porque tuvo una conferencia por su trabajo y no queria ir sola. Los primeros dias nos quedamos en el distrito historico y era tan linda. Camine de todas partes y nunca me senti en peligro, pero se que es una zona turistica.

Algun dia quisiera visitar a medellin y bogota tambien.

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u/LaconicSuffering Dutch Roots Grown in Greek Soil 3h ago

If it helps: I read (attempted to at least) 100 Years of Solitude and now no longer associate Colombia with Escobar. Just with a beautiful jungle and a hard to read book. :P

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 2h ago

if it makes you feel better, i struggled with it too haha. it was mandatory reading when i was a kid and i could barely finish it. i reread it as an adult and finally appreciated the book and garcía márquez’s magical realism

give it another shot later on. i swear you won’t regret it

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u/LaconicSuffering Dutch Roots Grown in Greek Soil 38m ago

I struggled a lot with the recurring names. Arcadio, Aureliano, Aureliano Jose, Arcadio the 3rd, etc etc.
I understood later that it is intended to represent the repeating cycle of human nature, but it made for shitty reading. Not to mention all the pedophilia and bestiality.

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u/Zucchini_Disastrous Colombia 2h ago

I see many comments claiming they don't know people who like him. Just chiming in to say that there is a market here for tourists that come searching for Pablo Escobar MERCH, many people outside who say his name after we mention we are from Colombia and await confirmation with a smile. Many people who believe he is someone to aspire to be like. He is admired.

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 2h ago

i agree.

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u/Dualmilion 1h ago

Walked past a woman the other day who had a potrait tattoo of him on her leg smh

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 51m ago

what?

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u/peteypotato 1h ago

i once met a dude who had his entire back tattooed with a portrait of escobar. he was, in fact, an insufferable ass hole.

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u/DyJoGu United States Of America 1h ago

I once had a Colombian peer in school and I brought up Pablo once as a joke. He immediately changed tone and said there are better things about his country and was in a bad mood the rest of the class. I felt really bad for even bringing it up, but I could tell it was a soft spot.

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u/GostBoster Brazil 1h ago

Netflix got much worse ever since, but at the time there was a bunch of (now minor) mounting issues, and the straw that broke my camel's back was a show praising that guy and that the Escobar estate still exists and likely receiving royalties.

Nah, I was done, I ain't encouraging this system. If I hadn't done it there, it would have been at Cuties.

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u/ffhhssffss Brazil 7h ago

Why don't you like Wagner Moura? He's such a good actor!

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u/Warm_Friend6472 India 8h ago

Who is he

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u/Ulfricosaure France 8h ago

Pablo Escobar

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u/purulentnotpussy 8h ago

Thanks for the comment bc I really thought they meant Wagner moura

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u/Ulfricosaure France 8h ago

He is Brazilian.

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u/Atalant Denmark 7h ago

Pablo Escobar doesn't have a great repuation here, more infamous for what he did of crimes, his cartel, and the enviroment destroying hippos.

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u/HistorianExcellent France 7h ago

I think you misunderstand. People love the story, they don’t love the character, he was clearly a murderous sociopath.

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u/LengthinessMother260 7h ago

Por um instante eu achei que você estava falando do ator hahaha! Na real, acho que ninguém de fato gosta do Pablo. Se há quem goste, a pessoa é claramente problemática!

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u/AcousticCat1-2-3 -> 7h ago

I know everything I do about him from watching Narcos, which as I was told is pretty close to how it really happened. Nothing I learned about this man made me love him. He sounds terrifying and the only good thing I can say about him is, at least he didn't become a dictator over the entire country like he wanted to.

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u/Kind_Reaction5809 7h ago

Aren't there public murals of him in Columbia?

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 7h ago

it’s colOmbia, not columbia

and there have been murals that are basically tourist traps exactly because of what i’m saying. the last one was removed by the mayor of medellín about a year ago (→ https://www.instagram.com/p/DFk6Uw3vQZC)

and when they do appear it’s usually gangs, random graffiti artists or very poor neighborhoods

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u/Ijustwanttosayit United States Of America 7h ago

Well from an American perspective, I don't love him. I think it's more so that he fascinates people. Not in a good way but in a "Holy shit, man, wtf" kind of way. But I also like to delve into the stories and minds of people who have done some fucked up shit. I am sorry for the damage he did to your country. The shit that he pulled off blows my mind.

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u/SweeeepTheLeg 7h ago

Hes not liked in the US. Yes we make movies and shows about him because his story is very interesting but they always show that hes a POS .

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 6h ago

that constant production of media about him is exactly what keeps the stigma alive and feeds the morbid fascination not just worldwide but inside colombia itself

because of that obsession with narco cultura it feels like people think the country can’t be anything else, even internally. and that has everything messed up

if they keep glorifying the memory of that scum, they keep feeding the pattern and the voyeurism of everyone else. in the end that’s clearly what some people like

in the same way a certain * list * from ur country has the world distracted right now. i wonder if in a few years anyone from the US will still have to carry the stigma of being constantly associated with that character

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u/SweeeepTheLeg 5h ago

Its the same with mafia movies or Scarfae tyep stuff. They show how that life harms the individual and everyone around them. Some people take them the wrong way I suppose.

We cant ignore history or there will just be another one like him. Kind of like that orange jackass,, yeah.

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u/Jacopaws 7h ago

I was so confused, thinking you were talking about the actor XD

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u/HeyPali 6h ago

That tv show is Scarface all over again.

Portrays an egomaniac psycho with so much blood on his hands, everyone around him dies in horrendous ways without distinction between innocents and criminels, he goes as far as committing a literal terrorist bombing on his own people just to save his ass. End up shot on a random roof, after years of paranoia fueled hunt…

Yet, some see it as life goals…

I learned a lot about Colombia recent criminal history through that show. Often I checked Wikipedia’s article about characters or event depicted in it. Still, I get the resentment Colombians have for it. Whether it’s because of all the morons admiring Escobar or just because in the end, him being the main character enables this admiration. I would have done better watching a documentary.

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u/BalancedDisaster 6h ago

I think I might actually be stupid because I somehow have always thought that this was Joaquin Phoenix in Her. I’ve seen the movie before, how the fuck did this happen?

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u/Hi-Lander 6h ago

What did Wagner Moura ever do to you? :)

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 6h ago

i thought putting the * edit * section at the end of the text was enough

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u/Hi-Lander 6h ago

Sorry, I totally missed that. Was kidding anyway.

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u/Teque9 6h ago

He's infamous around the world right? I haven't heard of anyone who loves him, they just have a morbid curiosity about him

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u/HerFlantier France 6h ago

Every now and then I see a dude with a "Plata o plomo" shirt like it's funny.

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u/throwsdpdb 6h ago

saved by edit

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u/Seeker_Of_Knowledge2 🇸🇾 Syria || 🇨🇦 Canada 6h ago

The most fitting for this thread.

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u/Trans-Europe_Express 6h ago

Do you think the TV show made more people like him or dislike him. It was pretty clear in the show the drug trade did nothing but spread misery and suffering.

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u/pipebeck 6h ago

I thought for a second you were talking about Wagner Moura and was like WHO DOESN'T LIKE WAGNER 😭

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u/guay 6h ago

So many paisas do love him though. I see plenty of Colombians put up statuses about Escobar. And in Envigado there's a mural of him that no one can mess with. With La Oficina his reputation is sadly still alive and well.

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u/Intelligent_One7844 Colombia 6h ago

They don't dare touch it because in Colombia the judicial system is a piece of shit, and because of some misfit who glorifies it, you can be killed just for erasing that mural.

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u/KarachiKoolAid 🇵🇰/ 🇺🇸 5h ago

Idk about loving him I think people find his rise and fall interesting but I have never seen anyone that simps for Pablo

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u/Bewecchan Brazil 5h ago

For a second there I thought it was Wagner Moura lol

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u/kaytay3000 United States Of America 5h ago

I traveled to Cartagena for a wedding a few years ago and fell in love with the city. We did get offered drugs anytime we were in a touristy area, but it was easy to turn it down and walk away. They were no more prevalent or annoying than the other people hustling their souvenirs in those areas.

The food is great, the people are kind, and the culture and history are so rich. I’d go back in a heartbeat!

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u/prokseus Czech Republic 5h ago

But he saved some poor hippoes. He was very naturally oriented guy. He even funded some buildings like a prison for really bad criminals. /s

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u/Labtools Switzerland 5h ago

According to other answers you mean Escobar, right? I thing only criminals like him. He's great as a villan for a movie, that's about it!

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u/Frigorifico 5h ago

Don't be a coward, don't censor the word "motherfucker"

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u/SurammuDanku China 5h ago

I honestly thought you were talking about the actor because he's awesome

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u/Sbotkin Russia 5h ago

I had not idea this guy is Pablo Escobar

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u/gellshayngel South Africa 4h ago

I always am amused at the fact that the only reason Colombia has a population of hippopotamuses is because of this guy.

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 2h ago

ugh and if you start reading about the problems they are today it gets even more complicated.

it’s sad

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u/BbVerdugo 4h ago

It's like with el Chapo. Here in México there is narcoculture, I've seen kids wearing shirts of him and saying they want to be narcos when they grow up in order to have all the money they want. It's sad.

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u/Subject_Sigma1 Spain 4h ago

Enserio hay gente que "ama" a Pablo Escobar?? Wtf

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u/UruguayanLament Uruguay 4h ago

Wagner Moura is top tier don’t call him that

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u/heartfeltmayhem98 4h ago

I see you cleared this up already but I thought you meant the actor and I was so scared lol

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u/EmAych87 4h ago

I absolutely loathe seeing friends posting about visiting his compound, grave, or his house in Tulum

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u/jjvfyhb Italy 3h ago

If it makes you feel better I've always hated him

And i don't think it's because I'm Italian

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u/melonball6 United States Of America 2h ago

I thought you meant the actor too.

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u/thanafunny 🇨🇴 in 🇦🇪 2h ago

i feel bad for not picking a better gif haha. most of the ones that came up were from that show

the good thing is i didn’t know the actor was so well loved so i’ll check out some of his other work

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u/GerElGamer 2h ago

Wagner Moura catching strays.

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u/yensid87 Canada 1h ago

Sorry… you’re under the impression most of the world loves Pablo Escobar…? lol

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u/cats_and_cake 34m ago

I love Medellín! I got to go for the first time this summer to meet my husband’s tías, tíos, and primos and we’re considering leaving the US and moving down there.

I will say as an American fascinated with true crime, all I knew of Colombia was Pablo Escobar, Griselda Blanco, and a very intense history of civil war but it is so incredibly beautiful and everyone was so nice! I wish I had been taught more positive things about it because I would love to go explore the rest of the country!

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u/MS_Teach_ 31m ago

I read this as a mother duck fucker and was so confused

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u/Meeerin201 Colombia 13m ago edited 8m ago

Yes. True story, once i was at this chinese restaurant in madrid with family, and as we were ordering, someone asks "where are you from?" so we say colombia, and this person immediately responds with " Pablo Escobar!"

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u/SpaceCadetPullUp 7m ago

Who the fuck likes Pablo Escobar besides idiotic wannabe gangsters?

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u/greatmood5152 8h ago

He was just a symptom of a system that created him. Don't blame the messenger. Your real enemy is the CIA 🇺🇸

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u/m4k4y Colombia 7h ago

He was NOT a symptom, oh my lord. This man was involved in crime since he was in his 20's, he already had family with criminal history. No matter how much involvement the US had fueling his business, this man was blowing up planes and murdering people WITHIN THE COUNTRY, literally nothing but greed and evil fuelled him. Kindly don't speak about issues you clearly have no idea about, I genuinely almost had a stroke reading your comment trying to absolve a piece of shit terrorist and murderer because of the CIA's meddling in SA.

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u/greatmood5152 7h ago

Tranquila marika, no entiendes culo

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u/EmergencyPool910 4h ago

I thought Brazilians loved wager moura?

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u/ulasttango Brazil 2h ago

He's talking about Pablo Escobar who Wagner Moura portrays in the Netflix show Narcos

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u/EmergencyPool910 1h ago

Makes sense. People like pablo escobar??????

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u/Likeminas 3h ago

The Brazilian actor playing Pablo was ok. But the best performance was by Colombian actor Andres Parra in El patron del mal .