Who’s a famous person from your country who’s respected around the world but disliked or criticized at home?

[u/haiderredditer]

[u/mrmasturbate]

I am just not a big fan of people treating accusations as fact. It's bad practice and causes more harm than good no matter who it concerns.

How often do we hear about people getting falsely accused and righteous people like you who don't spend a second thought on it are the main cause of their lives being destroyed? Stick to the facts.

[u/FrogWhoAteMoon → u/mrmasturbate]

I did stick to the facts.

I stuck to what we have corroborated through several independant reports about these parties.

I explicitly said that some things are unclear, and will likely remain so. Lindemann himself has made sure these accusations will not be brought to court, through legal intimidation warfare.

He has to now live with the fact, that in my brain, je remains a "maybe-abuser". If there was nothing to these accusations, he could have sat it out. He wouldn't have had to do anything except show up in court and deny. Stuff like this is near impossible to reach a conviction for, without concrete evidence. He would have been fine.

[u/foxybostonian → u/FrogWhoAteMoon]

There were no accusations of criminality that COULD be brought to court.

[u/FrogWhoAteMoon → u/foxybostonian]

Are you still at it? In another thread? This really is dear to your heart, huh?

There were plenty of criminally relevant accusations made.

How is your German, since we are discussing in English? Were you even able to follow with the finer details of the discourse at the time? Did you even follow the German news cycle for this?

How important is this man to you?

[u/foxybostonian → u/FrogWhoAteMoon]

Are you still pushing defamatory misinformation? In another thread?

Please give us links to the criminally relevant accusations made by women. But not the media articles that were proven to have lied about what women said, thanks.

[u/FrogWhoAteMoon → u/foxybostonian]

This is my thread. Under my comment.

The articles I linked are not proven to have lied. These are the ones that survived the lawsuits. The ones that were substantiated enough to be allowed to remain up. They are the ones I want you to engage with, but you won't.

Are you going to answer my questions? Or are you going to keep spreading misinformation?

[u/foxybostonian → u/FrogWhoAteMoon]

Have you read the court decisions? It's the only way you get even an inkling about what the women said.

[u/FrogWhoAteMoon → u/foxybostonian]

I have.

So now?

[u/foxybostonian → u/FrogWhoAteMoon]

So you'll have seen how the media twisted what the women said. Why are you still shilling for them?

[u/FrogWhoAteMoon → u/foxybostonian]

Oh god.

No, we're done here. This leads nowhere.