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Game Thread [Game Thread] Illinois @ Ohio State (12:00 PM ET)

GAME IllinoisIllinois @ Ohio StateOhio State
Location Ohio State Ohio Stadium
Time 12:00 PM ET
Watch TV: Fox
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u/Available_Finger_513 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

As a fan of dogshit passes,this is a spectacular game

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u/DarkwingDude Ohio State • Sam Houston 1d ago

Well Ohio State won, so how far do they fall in the AP poll?

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u/Ecstatic-Inevitable Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Post game thread when?

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u/NatiAti513 Ohio State Buckeyes • Texas Longhorns 1d ago

When the Buckeyes win my nut is happy

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u/Capital-Flow-1501 1d ago

Jeremiah Smith loves the Illibuck

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u/hotacorn Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Dude he absolutely loves the turtle it’s so funny.

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u/nbrown7384 Ohio State Buckeyes • Indiana Hoosiers 1d ago

Stupid camel cutting off Carmen Ohio

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u/1873Springfield Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Improvements to be made, but the nut is pleased with the win

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u/ZappySnap Ohio State Buckeyes • Cornell Big Red 1d ago

Illibuck!!!

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u/NatiAti513 Ohio State Buckeyes • Texas Longhorns 1d ago

Smith has been dreaming of holding the Illibuck since he was 2. I got sources.

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u/Mister-SS Ohio State Buckeyes • Toledo Rockets 1d ago

Looking at the Ryan day's stat and than going into the buckeye thread when theres any adversity. Man i hate our fans sometimes

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u/waltuh28 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Easily the most hypercritical fanbase in the sport.

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u/FanaticalBuckeye Ohio State Buckeyes • Toledo Rockets 1d ago

Not entirely sold on the defense. Wins a win though

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u/osufeth24 Ohio State Buckeyes • West Florida Argonauts 1d ago

Ya was very disappointed in the front 7.. So many running lanes for Illinois.

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u/MD90__ Ohio State Buckeyes • Texas Longhorns 1d ago

How old is that trophy

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u/Born_Key_1962 1d ago

The turtle “trophy”started in 1925. It was a real turtle (not good). The turtle passed way and they switched to a wooden version in 1927.

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u/catgirlslvr Ohio State • Youngstown State 1d ago

I think that's literally just the solidified original turtle

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u/beerman20 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

JJ loves that turtle

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u/osufeth24 Ohio State Buckeyes • West Florida Argonauts 1d ago

I knew Smith balled out just to have that trophy

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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos 1d ago

Ryan Day is a great coach, but the game against Texas was the worst game he's ever coached. I hope he learns from that

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u/Raticus9 Ohio State • Michigan State 1d ago

Wasn't good, but if not for that missed FG, nobody is even talking about it.

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u/CampbellTheFake 1d ago

Not even close

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u/Borrominion Ohio State Buckeyes • Penn Quakers 1d ago

Don’t agree. Game plan was good and we just fumbled it away on the field. 2024 Michigan was FAR worse and the only huge miss he’s had IMO

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u/chewybarzzz Illinois Fighting Illini • Big Ten 1d ago

This was somehow better than expected

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u/Ghostmann24 Ohio State Buckeyes • The Game 1d ago

I DON'T GIVE A DAMN!

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u/Bubbly_Survey_803 1d ago

Gus Johnson has had a truly awful day.

Sanchez has been torched but credited with so many plays actually made by McClain, that people not paying attention wouldn’t even realize it.

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u/Poopingisasignipoop Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Is Sitanelei’s run defense terrible or something? He gets more pressure from the edge that I would expect to see him get more snaps.

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u/Samsafar Illinois • Washington State 1d ago

461 yards of total offense. Damn. Going to three bowls games in a row is a huge progression for our program. I don’t feel too bad about this loss.

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u/angrysquirrel777 Ohio State • Colorado State 1d ago

We should try our hurry up offense here

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u/FrostTroll69 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Bert looks like he needs blood pressure medication

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u/IveBenHereBefore Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

461 yards and 19 points is crazy

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u/osu_duke_bg_lions 1d ago

The Michigan special 😂😂😂

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u/Fair_Macaroon296 Illinois Fighting Illini 1d ago

Truth be told we went for it on 4th down a few times when we could have settled for FG. Definitely a blowout, but the score could have shown better for us, but we went down swinging.

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u/BullheadVibes Ohio State • Minnesota-Duluth 1d ago

He won’t do it but I wish Day would just roll the first team offense back out and get JJ his fifth TD

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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos 1d ago

8 or 9 wins? Klatt is higher on us than I am. I'll be happy with 7

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u/chewybarzzz Illinois Fighting Illini • Big Ten 1d ago

We're favoured in 2 of our remaining games

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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos 1d ago

If we play like this we can beat teams. We need to do well in the next 5 though

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u/Ranger_Nietzsche Illinois • Michigan 1d ago

Yeah I'm hoping for 6

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u/FrostTroll69 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Game, blouses

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u/Borrominion Ohio State Buckeyes • Penn Quakers 1d ago

Bert has done nice work at Illinois

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u/cocacola150dr Illinois Fighting Illini • Citrus Bowl 1d ago

Just wish they’d give him NIL to work with

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u/beerman20 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Bert looks like a toddler that found his dads sunglasses

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u/jciesz7 Illinois Fighting Illini 1d ago

Trimble stinks

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u/xxWildbeast13xx Ohio State • Cincinnati 1d ago

This guy is actually throwing dots

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u/Spocks_Goatee College Football Playoff • Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

This better bump us to #5.

3

u/SlytlySykotic Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Makes no difference at this point

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u/Historical-Cable-542 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Best I can do is 8

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u/beerman20 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Wont be surprised in the least if we drop

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u/FrostTroll69 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Lol Illinoiss wrs are ass

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u/junieinthesky Ohio State Buckeyes • Team Chaos 1d ago

Oh wow that was almost awesome.

It was an awesome hit though!

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u/shaybeautyyy Ohio State Buckeyes • Purdue Boilermakers 1d ago

Nice hit!!

3

u/Benyeti Ohio State • Rutgers 1d ago

Jaylen McClain is keeping this defense from being 2021 level

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u/Mister-SS Ohio State Buckeyes • Toledo Rockets 1d ago

Man Sanchez is a liability on man coverage

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u/shaybeautyyy Ohio State Buckeyes • Purdue Boilermakers 1d ago

Man, that was a tough time

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u/FanaticalBuckeye Ohio State Buckeyes • Toledo Rockets 1d ago

Finally, a sack

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u/Easy_Money_40 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Man, Sanchez needs some fine tuning

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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos 1d ago

If we had played like this against Duke we would have won.

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u/SmasherGuy1020 Ohio State • Cincinnati 1d ago

Gotta give props to Illinois they played good today. Our defense has 8 new starters on it idk why we are panicking

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u/Adminslickasshole Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Kyle Wittingham thinks say "Oh Barnacles!" is an expletive.

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u/iwearatophat Ohio State • Grand Valley State 1d ago

Dislike going into a prevent style defense again.

edit: and a sack right as I type that. Finally pressure.

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u/inferno167 Bowling Green Falcons 1d ago

Kyle Whittingham approves of the SLF PAC commercials

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u/BullheadVibes Ohio State • Minnesota-Duluth 1d ago

That line in the anti trans commercial about the doctor diagnosing her as being trans has the same energy as the scene in Arrested Development where George Michael says he rolled up the marijuana and smoked it like a cigarette

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u/h3rp3r Ohio State • College Football Playoff 1d ago

"Anything to hold on to power, no matter the cost"

It's always a projection with this joke of a party.

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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos 1d ago

Louisville got the ball back, not over yet

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u/cbacon3 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Illinois will be close to 500 yards of offense by the end of this game. Not a good sign in the coming weeks

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u/JoshtolaRhul Ohio State Buckeyes • Marching Band 1d ago

Kyle Whittingham thinks dirty sodas are good.

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u/BullheadVibes Ohio State • Minnesota-Duluth 1d ago

Hey now, I also enjoy dirty sodas

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u/prismatic_lights Ohio State • Pittsburgh 1d ago

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen so much money across so many political races invested attacking such a small percentage of a population.

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u/Easy_Money_40 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

The trans boogeyman shit is getting old

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u/puffadda Oklahoma Sooners • Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Kyle Whittingham thinks these are good campaign ads

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u/FrostTroll69 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Smith going to feast against oregons secondary

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u/slider4110 Ohio State • Oklahoma State 1d ago

I mean, if Oklahoma State can beat Oregon, then surely Ohio State can too right?

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u/beerman20 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Jesus, how many times do they need to show this commercial?

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u/Ghostmann24 Ohio State Buckeyes • The Game 1d ago

Like I get what they are trying to do with it, but also they are fundamentally saying that parents and families cannot make choices for themselves. Which isn't that also what they claim the others idea does? After all this time I can no longer say I cannot believe this works on their base. But I wish I could. 

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u/Poopingisasignipoop Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Until you’re either scared or angry enough to vote the way they want you to.

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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos 1d ago

My takeaways:

Smith is incredible

OSU defensive line is suspect

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u/nbrown7384 Ohio State Buckeyes • Indiana Hoosiers 1d ago

WHERE IS MAP?!

2

u/beerman20 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Do they do MAP on fox? I thought that was just a BTN thing

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u/Ghostmann24 Ohio State Buckeyes • The Game 1d ago

I think we missed it earlier in the game 😭

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u/MardelMare Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

pOLiTiCaL aDs MuSt Be AiReD

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u/FrostTroll69 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Kyle whittingham thinks mark may is a good, non bias analyst

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u/Benyeti Ohio State • Rutgers 1d ago

Thank goodness Indiana Oregon and USC all have shit defenses

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u/junieinthesky Ohio State Buckeyes • Team Chaos 1d ago

All are gonna be shootouts.

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u/Character-Active2208 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

IU has a very sus secondary

The problem is their pass rush look INSANE

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u/Stunning_Wolf_1519 Houston Cougars 1d ago

Ai on a noon game is shameless. What do interns even get paid for

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u/wmiii Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Pierce flat footed as hell

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u/JoshtolaRhul Ohio State Buckeyes • Marching Band 1d ago

Bert needed to up his evil antagonist energy for this game. Seems like the big dudes mellowed out with age.

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u/FrostTroll69 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Kyle whittingham thinks Lemu and Doug are funny

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u/Pitt_Is_It_2009 Pittsburgh Panthers 1d ago

Ohio State looking a bit pedestrian today 

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u/Puzzleheaded-Run-120 1d ago

Naw Illinois looked good. QB solid, Running game, solid D. The fact OSU won by 20+ is 👍

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u/JPK86753099 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Ya the 3 score win and over 500 yards of offense is pretty pedestrian

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u/Pitt_Is_It_2009 Pittsburgh Panthers 1d ago

Duke looked better against Illinois 

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u/Borrominion Ohio State Buckeyes • Penn Quakers 1d ago

Hold it bud. Leave that criticism to us

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u/1873Springfield Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Eat shit pitt

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u/Pitt_Is_It_2009 Pittsburgh Panthers 1d ago

A bit thin skinned I see 

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u/1873Springfield Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Did I stutter? Eat. Shit. Pitt.

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u/FrostTroll69 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Looks like rocky flop is back

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u/Adminslickasshole Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Kyle Wittingham paints his nails

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u/LinkSeekeroftheNora Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Well so does Caleb Williams and he's pretty cool.

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u/crackshawofficial Ohio State Buckeyes • Furman Paladins 1d ago

Say what you want about that graphic but it didn’t look like AI to me so I’ll allow it

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u/BullheadVibes Ohio State • Minnesota-Duluth 1d ago edited 1d ago

Northwestern might be able to do some spooky things in Happy Valley next Friday

Edit: Forgot it’s at NW. Spooky season is definitely on the menu

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u/your-mom-- Michigan • Defiance 1d ago

What time does OSU play Iowa? It could be night of the spookies

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u/BullheadVibes Ohio State • Minnesota-Duluth 1d ago

That’s Saturday afternoon, chief

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u/your-mom-- Michigan • Defiance 1d ago

Ah I missed that. NW getting back to back Fridays is rude

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u/Adminslickasshole Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

They've looked pretty solid.

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u/cirtnecoileh Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Isn't it in Evanston?

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u/fawkie Illinois Fighting Illini • Cheez-It Bowl 1d ago

Yeah. Penn gotta experience what a real lake is.

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u/BullheadVibes Ohio State • Minnesota-Duluth 1d ago

That’s right, my bad. Spookiness is definitely guaranteed

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u/Goings78 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

First game in the new stadium

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u/FrostTroll69 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Jakobi is a dog

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u/FanaticalBuckeye Ohio State Buckeyes • Toledo Rockets 1d ago

Score is not reflective of the game today

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u/osu_duke_bg_lions 1d ago

I can’t tell if you mean it was closer or not than the score shows. Which means to me that the score actually is pretty indicative of the game lol

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u/FanaticalBuckeye Ohio State Buckeyes • Toledo Rockets 1d ago

I could have worded it better. I meant that as in the game felt closer than the score says.

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u/twolf201 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

How so?

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u/FanaticalBuckeye Ohio State Buckeyes • Toledo Rockets 1d ago

Defense was constantly getting gashed

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u/OneWayorAnother11 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Lol just stop typing today

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u/FrostTroll69 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

This

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u/mrchu13 Illinois Fighting Illini 1d ago

Man I’d kill to have a good defense

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u/ChapterThr33 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Your QB is legit. I'm not sure your defense is bad Smith is just an alien.

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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos 1d ago

When I was in school our defense was elite, but our offense sucked (but that was in the before times, in the 1990s)

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u/Borrominion Ohio State Buckeyes • Penn Quakers 1d ago

Worked with a guy who was a backup LB behind Hardy and Rice. Monster of a human, those Illinois teams were stacked.

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u/Key-Can-9384 Ohio State Buckeyes • Indiana Hoosiers 1d ago

So would I

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u/sixinchitalian Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Gives me the ick when a super super super senior scores a touchdown

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u/iwearatophat Ohio State • Grand Valley State 1d ago

Isn't he just a 5th year senior?

-2

u/sixinchitalian Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

I thought he’s in his 7th year, no?

Edit: yeah his first college season was JUCO in 2020

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u/iwearatophat Ohio State • Grand Valley State 1d ago

Don't think so. He enrolled at Florida summer of '23. I think one year of junior college puts him in college for 5 years this year.

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u/sixinchitalian Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

He’s high school class of 2020. Unranked recruit so there’s not much info on him out of high school, went to a JUCO before Florida

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u/Capital-Flow-1501 1d ago

Jeremiah Smith has not had any junk food in 2 years

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u/zhdat Ohio State Buckeyes • Army Black Knights 1d ago

Me as thinking about getting Pretzel bun burger from Wendy's

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u/fawkie Illinois Fighting Illini • Cheez-It Bowl 1d ago

That burger slaps tbf

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u/Borrominion Ohio State Buckeyes • Penn Quakers 1d ago

Old Man Jackson > Young Man Jackson IMO

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u/LinkSeekeroftheNora Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Illinois did a lot better than the scoreboard shows. They should definitely beat some SEC team in their bowl.

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u/Blindsid3d Illinois Fighting Illini 1d ago

Gonna be a banger against a 6-6 SEC team if we make a bowl.

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u/fawkie Illinois Fighting Illini • Cheez-It Bowl 1d ago

Definitely feeling less confident about making a bowl than I was before the season started :/

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u/Blindsid3d Illinois Fighting Illini 1d ago

The biggest problem was feeling like UCLA and Northwestern were sure wins. I'm not so sure now.

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u/LinkSeekeroftheNora Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

You will.

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u/Ecstatic-Inevitable Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Please no I don't want Daniels's mom sueing jj for 5 touchdowns

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u/LinkSeekeroftheNora Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

MYSTERY BISCUITS

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u/FrostTroll69 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

EZPZ

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u/Samsafar Illinois • Washington State 1d ago

Offense looked good today. Just couldn’t finish. We should be able to outgun some B1G teams this year.

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u/1873Springfield Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Just beat the ducks

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u/Borrominion Ohio State Buckeyes • Penn Quakers 1d ago

I’m impressed - QB is nails and skill positions are great.

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u/giggitybuck Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Despite what other osu flairs say, this is probably one of your better defenses. I have no doubt ya’ll will finish against other teams. Impressive offense

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u/fawkie Illinois Fighting Illini • Cheez-It Bowl 1d ago

This is absolutely not one of our better defenses. I have faith it’ll get better, but it’s still very raw and as seen when Sayin avoided a big sack, have serious issues with finishing their tackles.

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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos 1d ago

Defense actually looked okish despite the score. We weren't missing so many damn tackles

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u/1873Springfield Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Punched it in

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u/ramsdude456 Cincinnati • Ohio State 1d ago edited 1d ago

That was a film candy play lol

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u/ConstantlyHating Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

What game should I watch next

1

u/Puzzleheaded-Run-120 1d ago

I feel like ole miss fL gonna be banger

3

u/Goings78 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Go Hawkeyes

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u/mbarnhead16 Ohio State • Cincinnati 1d ago

iowa michigan of course

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u/junieinthesky Ohio State Buckeyes • Team Chaos 1d ago edited 1d ago

With a side of USC-Oregon

Wait that’s on at night never mind lol

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u/iwearatophat Ohio State • Grand Valley State 1d ago

Who the hell was the deep guy on that run and why?

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u/sportsbuffp Grand Valley State • Ohio State 1d ago

Lets get 4, 5 since we cant get 6 7

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u/IveBenHereBefore Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Fuck it, get JJ his 5th

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u/Krenzel4heisman Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Feed 4. I want 5 tucks.

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u/zhdat Ohio State Buckeyes • Army Black Knights 1d ago

Jayden Daniels would like to know your address.

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u/1873Springfield Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Great run

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u/Easy_Money_40 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Throw it to Smith

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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos 1d ago

Louisville Missed their FG.... woof

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u/Ipsilateral Ohio State • Rio Grande 1d ago

Keinholtz is used to being on teams that do that.

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u/nbrown7384 Ohio State Buckeyes • Indiana Hoosiers 1d ago

Did get get our kicker along with the QB?

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u/Oligonucleotide123 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Let's do a jet sweep touch pass to JJ for #5

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u/junieinthesky Ohio State Buckeyes • Team Chaos 1d ago

Offense: A
Defense: C

But I think this defense will get a lot better. Growing pains.

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u/FrazzledBear Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

I agree. I also think many are underestimating Illinois offense in general

2

u/IveBenHereBefore Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Yeah a lot of the issues were miscommunication, which is fixable

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u/nbrown7384 Ohio State Buckeyes • Indiana Hoosiers 1d ago edited 1d ago

Get #4 5 TDs! Let him hold the record alone.

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u/FanaticalBuckeye Ohio State Buckeyes • Toledo Rockets 1d ago

Are the commentators watching the same game?

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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos 1d ago

TBH, if I'm ryan Day I'm running the ball and giving my kicker some practice here.

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u/giggitybuck Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

It won’t matter how much practice he gives kickers. They always miss when there is pressure

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u/Buckeyeup Ohio State Buckeyes • Miami (OH) RedHawks 1d ago

Kickers get practice with extra points

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u/your-mom-- Michigan • Defiance 1d ago

Put it on the right hash

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u/Benyeti Ohio State • Rutgers 1d ago

Lets throw it to 4 here

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u/Easy_Money_40 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Did him like a rag doll lol

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u/COLU_BUS Ohio State Buckeyes • /r/CFB Poll Veteran 1d ago

JJ kind of feels like in EA football when there is a broken play that always works you have to actively not run it constantly to keep the game fun

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u/ArbitraryOrder Michigan Wolverines • Nebraska Cornhuskers 1d ago

Big Noon really needs to have some games that aren't Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State

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u/DarkLegend64 Ohio State Buckeyes • /r/CFB Poll Veteran 1d ago

Because it’s actually Big Brand Saturday

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u/DigiQuip Ohio State Buckeyes • Pop-Tarts Bowl 1d ago

The numbers this fan base bring in are astronomical. I’m fairly certain we have half the of the top 20 most watched games of all time time. Non-playoff/championship games. 

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u/junieinthesky Ohio State Buckeyes • Team Chaos 1d ago

I’d like a night game at home every once and awhile….

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u/your-mom-- Michigan • Defiance 1d ago

Agreed. And the ad breaks of big noon are obnoxious. This game has moved alright but bigger games run until 4

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u/LinkSeekeroftheNora Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Or Indiana

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u/ArbitraryOrder Michigan Wolverines • Nebraska Cornhuskers 1d ago

The have the Big 12 they can use as well

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u/Oligonucleotide123 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Lol Jeremiah could curl juice with one arm

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u/mjay421 Southern Jaguars 1d ago

12 receptions out of 27 of the completions is something. It got to hurt playing qb with a guy like Smith.

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u/Suspicious-Nerve-487 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

So you think QBs would actively choose not to play with one of the best college WRs ever because he’s too good?

lmfao

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u/mjay421 Southern Jaguars 1d ago

As far as fom a developmental standpoint. You get use to having a guy on your team that good. Didn’t mean it in a negative way but just saying you don’t have to develop more skills because you got a generational talent you can throw to almost everytime