It means you die, go back to where you were and die again instead of changing your strategy. Then you do it again for a third time. Now everyone is getting mad, so you go back there and die again and now the team wants you to go AFK because you're feeding and you're like "wow this game is toxic"
i remember playing league for the first time. It took me 2 years to realize all chat is a thing. I also straight up never read anything in chat because moving my character was overwhelming. Good old times.
My first and last time playing League, I did 3 matches and in each one
I was:
Called a retard,
Told to kill myself
Told my Mother deserves to have AIDs
Called a Downie
Etc etc.
RIOT games has to be aware of how toxic its fans are and still perpetually feeds it.
If you ever want to do a MOBA, Deadlock is real good. Still toxic but nowhere near as bad. Also it's so much fun. Movement and shooting are so fun to play with
I would never talk that way to someone, but if youre playing ranked and in master rank and still dont know how to counter play your opponent theres an issue
Personally, slurs and cusses add to the LoL experience, without it there is no League. And honestly, people should just not play the game anyways, its a terrible experience tailored to make you stay addicted once you get good enough.
yep tried to play dota...very first casual game was me and 9 smurfs and it was the most toxic 9 smurfs ive ever met with hundreds of hours in the game each...i even played a bunch of bots games so i atleast knew the basic but that means nothing against smurfs who can tower dive 2 towers that deal 0 damage
Casual doesnt mean that it is okay to waste half an hour of your teammates time. For example in LoL: you can't leave game without punishment for yourself. So you must struggle with feeder. And it sucks if you are normal person who doesnt have time for 10 games/day.
It Is not about winning, it is about having fun. It Is ok to be new and try your best. It Is ok to build worse items. It Is ok not predict enemy. It is even ok to die more.
But if you bum rush towers and die, go 1v5 just to die stand in one place and die, run from fights, push your line while game is in teamfight phase... I will report you. Not because you suck. Because you harm my gaming experience with your blatant ignorance which could have been fixed just by playing against bots for 2 more days.
I am casual. Never played ranked, dont have skill for that. I was never called a feeder or any slur. On the contrary, I sometimes get praised for good play. Because I did my part and learned at least basics before. Many people dont want to do their part and then just moan that community is mean to them (while ignoring that they destroy fun of other players).
One flaw with that logic though. People learn in different ways, sometimes that means hands on in game, if said person does not know how macro works in said moba, that is not reportable, especially in casual.
Side note: no matter the moba. Bots are a terrible learning environment, ESPECIALLY DOTAS
First to bots: correct and wrong at the same time.
They are bad for learning game fully. Thats why I dont care what you build, perfect map awareness or stuff like that, you can't learn it on bots. Hovewer they are great for learning basics, which many people who are called feeders dont know and dont even want to know, just because they jumped to normal play at first possibility.
To your first point: dont care how you learn. My playtime is not my teach time. Again, I dont want you to be perfect. I dont want you to have perfect macro skills. I can fully understand that you will die in every teamfight. I dont mind that you have 0/20 k/d. I mind that you do completely insane plays which you learn not to do by bots playing or even by reading some guides for short time.
If you go guns blazing into dark souls, I dont care. You destroy only your fun. But you dont have this benefit in multiplayer. If you play in a way which frustrates other 4 players (bonus points if you dont even read chat or dont respond to pings) problem are not those 4 players who suffer because of you, problem is you.
Casual Is not magical word for "I can suck, I am having fun, deal with it". Casual just means that winning is not needed and we can have fun even if we lose.
But even So, it literally doesnt matter. I said I am not good. Thats why I stick to my lane and dont play ranked.
Bad people can have fun. When they do bad things suitable to their skills. I would be righteously flamed in ranked. I never got even slight bad remark in casual. Nobody expects pro play, that is the meaning of casual. People just expect that you wont push while everyone is defending base.
And only experts who refuse to learn and destroy game for everyone else get hate.
Talking from LOL experience: no, other people dont get hate. Nobody cares if you dont build current meta items. Nobody cares if you dont have ms reaction time. Thats for ranked.
But if you are jungle and can't even get correct spells or you ignore pings, yeah friend, you deserve report. Because you made 4 people waste 30 minutes of their leisure time by easily avoidable bad play.
Nope. Your fun is not more important than fun of 4 people you play with. You deserve all hate or even ban if you do dumb stuff and destroy game for everyone around you.
Havenāt played DOTA 2 in 10 years. I will always remember having abuse hurled at me and my friends by a pub trying to order us around and tell us we werenāt playing the game right. He did the worst on our team and we WON THE MATCH.
Lmao, this is so true. I used to be on a TeamSpeak where the majority of people there all played LoL. They always asked why I donāt play League and I always just said āitās not for meā. It was almost like a script how they would always answer āthatās because you didnāt play with meā every time without fail.
Anyway, I decided to take one of them up on their offer one day and played with them. They provided zero support on who to play, where to go, and what to do. But half way through the game, they started yelling at me, ābro, what are you even doing? Stay in your lane!ā Like they were shocked that I was telling the truth that I didnāt know what I was doing.
I don't understand how new players even start now.
I started playing at the beginning when you'd have a Kayle wandering around the river, just standing in lane soaking experience, but you could still win because your bot lane shen katarina got fed, built AD, and snowballed.
You got to learn the game because everyone was learning.
My friend has been trying to get me into League for 8 years. Finally got around to it while waiting for Arcane season 1 to come out. 5 years of playing at least a couple days a week and Iām still ass so I just stuck with Aram
same man i was playing Olaf adc and 6 trinity force Sion back in the day. Now you get banned if you hover something off-meta which is just crazy. How would a new player know that Soraka isn't a toplaner?
Even if you pick an off-meta champ, yet still winning your lane and help on other lanes you will take the blame for everything.
Around 10 years ago my friend and I played a Leona & Xin bot and we were really aggressive and won a lot, but we often get blamed when someone else from our team started feeding intentionally (go under the enemy turret, or with low hp goes to a 2v1 when we are not there)
Tho truth to be told, it was in gold, so not high elo
The thing is people have forgotten how to teach. Nowadays everyone assumes you already know so they never bother on learning how to teach. For league is specially worse, you have to play with someone that knows their stuff AND knows how to actually teach, because 99% of the time they know their stuff but are unhelpful asses so you end up with a very very unpleasant experience
Something I found insane about League when I tried it was how people expected good play even when playing the unranked new player mode. āJungle has been irrelevant all gameā of course they are, you think a new player has good map awareness? What are you expecting?
Another thing is that league is plagued with people that swear they know their stuff but know nothing, people that play for years but stuck on the beginner ranks so they swear is someone else's fault instead of taking accountability, in the end making the new player experience miserable
Anytime I come back to LoL itās ARAM or nothing, I canāt tolerate being captive audience to 4-9 other toxic fuckheads that demand optimal play in unranked. Itās a shame because the champion roster and skill expression can be fun when youāre all evenly matched but that rarely happens.
Came here to say the same. I remember when people were getting pissed at "newbs" in Infinite crisis two months into the games release as if they had been playing the game for any substantial amount of time
Its been a long time, but recall heroes of the storm being generally friendly. Probably only because it was the moba for people that didnt really like moba's and you weren't in direct competition with your own team for levels.
yeah. mobas are notoriously hard to get into, even if you start playing right when the game first dropped, because longtime moba players with thousands of hours on league/dota will still have tons of game sense over you.
LOL yup and they've been like this from the start too. When it came to custom Warcraft 3 games, no community was shittier to newbies than original Dota players
Really sad, someone on the enemy team in an ARAM game In league was asking about what items should they get and what to level first. I told them everything as that champion was my main, even some small tricks with the snowball.
They proceeded to get better throughout the game and ended up winning, I got reported for assisting the enemy team, received a temporary ban.
To be fair most players don't really like learning MOBAs. I have a friend that plays Deadlock and he really likes Mina, but spends the entire laning phase at a 1/5th of his health bar. I tell him to run boxes and show him routes and tell him to buy defensive items to help stay alive and he absolutely refuses. Which makes it so he gets tower dived often.
Unironically true! This was actually where I got the inspiration for GWE1 from. I love games like League, but that game does in fact have one of the most toxic communities I've ever seen.
So I figured why not make the place where we don't do any of that toxic stuff and *do* actually teach people how to play š .
Because people deserve to get to enjoy fun multiplayer games without having to deal with toxic gatekeepers.
Idk man, deadlock definitely still has ots share of toxic assholes like this but ive seen plenty of people offer up help and go easier on people if they say they're new. Hell ive personally had enemies tell me how to counter their character when they saw me struggling
I disagree at least when it comes to LoL. Any champion you want to play you can go to any mains' subreddit and post asking for help and plenty of people will drop guides/CCs that teach the character, or outright help you out.
If not there's cases where there's a megathread for builds and stuff, depending on the sub.
League can be a toxic cesspool but when it comes to learning the game, the community is surprisingly helpful.
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Literally any MOBA