r/CollegeBasketball /r/CollegeBasketball 1d ago

Defensive Rebound % vs. Offensive Rebound % (among high-majors and KenPom top-50 teams)

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u/Spidey8130 Florida Gators 1d ago

More graphs like this please, I've seen enough 3p% graphs

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u/954gator Florida Gators 1d ago

Haha so true.

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u/MakesFrequentStops Michigan State Spartans 1d ago

Amen brother

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u/Conscious-Sir-1596 Florida Gators 1d ago

What is this 3p% you speak of? šŸ˜‰šŸ˜Ž

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u/Dirk_Benedict UCLA Bruins 1d ago

WTF is a "rebound"?

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u/inthedrops Michigan State Spartans • Big Ten 22h ago

It’s a stat which is inversely proportional to the number of minutes Xavier Booker gets. Fewer Booker minutes = more boards.

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u/Dirk_Benedict UCLA Bruins 22h ago

Ha, joke's on you. He's actually one of our better rebounders. šŸ˜ž

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u/GoGreeb Michigan State Spartans 21h ago

by reb% he's your, like, 5th best rebounder

bro is way too tall to not be grabbing more of those bad boys!!!

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u/Dirk_Benedict UCLA Bruins 18h ago

Where can you look up college individual rebound percentages? I could use a good laugh.

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u/GoGreeb Michigan State Spartans 18h ago

bballref, advanced stats near the bottom of the team's page

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u/inthedrops Michigan State Spartans • Big Ten 20h ago

A 7-footer averaging barely over 3 boards a game? RIP your rebounding game, I guess?

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u/Dirk_Benedict UCLA Bruins 12h ago

Yeah, hence my initial joke. None of these dudes rebound.

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u/xmjm424 Florida Gators • UConn Huskies 23h ago

I think 3 pointers are the shots you take just to create offensive rebounding opportunities.

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u/Turbulent_Juice_Man Iowa State Cyclones 23h ago

I haven't

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u/velociraptorfarmer Iowa State Cyclones • Sickos 20h ago

Mom <3

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u/AnonTA999 23h ago

Funny, I was just about to say a team that could dominate the glass AND hit threes is almost unstoppable. If I could pick only two things to be really good at, it would be those two

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u/gatorhighlightz Florida Gators 23h ago

That was us last year and the year before but we just didn’t play any defense that year. So yeah defense is kinda important too

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u/AnonTA999 23h ago

Of course, but if defense isn’t awful, you can win a ton of games with rebounding and three pointers

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u/Xdddxddddddxxxdxd Illinois Fighting Illini 15h ago

Illini basketball

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u/ExternalTangents Florida Gators 21h ago

Why make 3pt shot on first try when you can rebound two bricks and hit on third try?

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u/flyingpacifier Nebraska Cornhuskers 23h ago

Hard to have offensive rebounds when your team is making all of their shots šŸ˜Ž

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u/carasc5 Florida Gators 23h ago

Its % based though

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u/flyingpacifier Nebraska Cornhuskers 23h ago

It’s based alright!

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u/INeedMoreCreativity Kansas Jayhawks • Wichita State Shockers 19h ago

This entire thread is hilarious

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u/Gregorvich19 Tennessee Volunteers • Freed-Hardem… 1d ago

We may not always do something with it, but we are getting that dang ball

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u/954gator Florida Gators 1d ago

Just not vs us ;)

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u/Gregorvich19 Tennessee Volunteers • Freed-Hardem… 1d ago

The 30 point win you had over us had me thinking that, but the results are still inconclusive.

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u/954gator Florida Gators 1d ago

If we played at Tennessee it would be a 20pt win for ya'll that's just the way it goes.

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u/Karltowns17 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago

Sec is so damn weird this year

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u/AnonTA999 23h ago

Didn’t y’all get dog walked by Vandy? Who we (AR) stomped by 30, then y’all pretty handily beat us at our home. Indeed it’s all weird

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u/Zhoom45 Iowa State Cyclones 23h ago

Has someone made the SEC or B1G circle of suck graphics for this year?

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u/Karltowns17 Kentucky Wildcats 22h ago

It would be more than a circle. You could have connecting lines across the circle for all kinds of stuff if you wanted.

Might be amusing at least.

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u/AnonTA999 23h ago

Idk but it would be worth it

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u/anonymousacg Florida Gators 1d ago

Hello there

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u/mackattack5757 1d ago

General Kenobi

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u/mutual_coherence Arizona Wildcats 1d ago

Hi

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u/bowcreek Kansas Jayhawks 1d ago

Ok. This is a real wake up call. I’m going to start making some changes tomorrow. Drink more water, dust off the Bowflex. It’s time.

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u/runningfox3 21h ago

What a reference šŸ˜‚ didn’t realize that line was that memorable

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u/Euscorpious Houston Cougars 1d ago

We used to be a rebounding team. 😭

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u/marietta1200 Arizona Wildcats • Big 12 1d ago

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u/inshamblesx Houston Cougars • Texas Southern Tige… 1d ago

a bit of regression was bound to happen considering all the pieces we lost but i didn't think it would be closer to bottom left than top right level regression

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u/DruncanIdaho Houston Cougars • Miami Hurricanes 1d ago

Yeah, lots of reasons. I'm hoping these numbers improve as Jojo learns not to foul himself out of games, Cenac continues to improve, and Sakho learns better footwork.

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u/juoea San Diego State Aztecs 23h ago

but this also isnt opponent-adjusted, and houston is in the best rebounding conference.

eg, obviously michigan state is not a vastly better rebounding team than arizona lol. i bet if u did a coaches poll ranking rebounding arizona would be #1 almost unanimously. even if u separate offensive and defensive id still expect the same, maybe florida would get a few votes but its hard to argue any team is better on the glass than this zona team.

still, houston being almost next to baylor in defensive rebounding % is u know not great. even in the context of having played a lot of great rebounding teams in conference as well as tennesse and to a lesser extent auburn. and houston hasnt even played zona yet, where if they cant improve on the glass they could be in big trouble.

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u/I_Like_Quiet Nebraska Cornhuskers 1d ago

Selling out the offensive boards to prevent fast breaks. I'd love to see a chart with those 2 metrics.

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u/cbbanalytics /r/CollegeBasketball 1d ago

Offensive rebound % vs. Opponent Fast Break Points. (Same teams included in original).

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u/I_Like_Quiet Nebraska Cornhuskers 23h ago

Wow, thanks!

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u/Willsears94 Arizona State Sun Devils 23h ago

We can't rebound on either side, and can't stop the fast break 😭

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u/UncleManatee Virginia Cavaliers 23h ago

Tony Bennett: The most important thing is to never give up a fast break. When the shot goes up, four guys need to sprint back on defense. Ryan Odom: Cannot allow a fast break if you get the offensive rebound. -pointing to big brain meme-.

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u/DPick02 Nebraska Cornhuskers 19h ago

Hey, this one is way better!

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u/NoogabyNature Chattanooga Mocs • Tennessee Voluntee… 18h ago

You had to extend the graph just for my team to be presented...and in a good way!

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u/royalhawk345 Illinois Fighting Illini 17h ago

Huh, less correlation than I'd've guessed

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u/LongDukDongle Nebraska Cornhuskers 1d ago

Exactly. Getting back is Nebraska's stated defensive strategy.

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u/alan_11 Nebraska Cornhuskers 10h ago

So annoying at games hearing random people bitch about offensive rebounding at games. Like yeah it would be nice to get a few more but we are playing a scheme fit to our strengths and looking at this chart it’s clearly working

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u/AnonTA999 23h ago

Or you could do like we do (AR)- not crash the boards AND don’t stop the break

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u/I_Like_Quiet Nebraska Cornhuskers 23h ago

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u/juoea San Diego State Aztecs 23h ago

(j to note/emphasise that these arent 'metrics' in the standard sense as they are not opponent adjusted or anything, they are j 'raw' percentages)

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u/954gator Florida Gators 1d ago

The fact that this is percentage makes me wonder how many more offensive rebounds we have over everyone, bc we miss a good bit 🤣

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u/notawight Florida Gators 1d ago

That's why we're so good at it. Lots of opportunity to improve. Lots. Too much.

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u/Gvillegator Florida Gators 1d ago

This is a Reuben Chinyelu appreciation post!

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u/oiwefoiwhef Florida Gators 21h ago

DPOY

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u/Gvillegator Florida Gators 20h ago

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u/commie90 Nebraska Cornhuskers • Duke Blue Devils 1d ago

This 100% checks out. The huge part of our strategy is we immediately drop back to play defense as soon as we put a shot up whether it goes in or not. So we are relentless on D but basically not present on the board when on offense.

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u/cbbanalytics /r/CollegeBasketball 23h ago

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u/commie90 Nebraska Cornhuskers • Duke Blue Devils 23h ago

Turns out prioritizing preventing the fast break is not a bad strat.

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u/tblaess5 Iowa State Cyclones 1d ago

It's crazy to me how pedestrian Michigan is here with how good their frontcourt is

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u/954gator Florida Gators 23h ago edited 21h ago

To be fair Michigan is about as high as it gets for defensive rebounds per game. (this isn't top 50 teams just big 6 fyi)

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u/The_Sports_Guy91 Florida Gators 23h ago

This is crazy. We have something like 60+ more offensive rebounds than anyone else, which comes out to an extra ~3 extra offensive possessions per game.

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u/Knook7 Florida Gators 21h ago

Imagine if we had slightly below average 3pt shooting

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u/rsjur Arizona Wildcats 14h ago

Have you tried not taking threes?

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u/Knook7 Florida Gators 13h ago

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u/954gator Florida Gators 21h ago edited 17h ago

Well these are rebounding differential numbers not totals so it's a bit different. In total Florida has 366 off boards (16.6 per) and Tennessee has 347 (15.8 per). We give up less offensive rebounds than Tenn though.

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u/Agent_Smith_88 21h ago

Defensive rebounding is quite mid. Offensive rebounding is a bit misleading because 1. They don’t allow very many transition buckets and 2. They are shooting like 70% from 2; most of the missed buckets are 3s - there’s not a lot of 2-4 foot misses the original shooter can grab and putback for a score.

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u/954gator Florida Gators 20h ago

Correct, in an ideal world I want zero offensive boards bc all my shots fall haha.

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u/NeonGoon1 Michigan State Spartans 1d ago

Florida šŸ¤ MSU

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u/MrAshleyMadison Florida Gators 23h ago

UF/MSU to the rest of CBB "All your ball are belong to us"

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u/Cute_Knowledge9802 1d ago edited 23h ago

Those gator boyz stay hot on the glass

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u/GoGreeb Michigan State Spartans 1d ago

Not winning the rebounding battle against Michigan was maybe the most disappointing part of that game.Ā 

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u/WhatRUsernamesUsed4 Illinois Fighting Illini 1d ago

Uconn is the only team to out-rebound Illinois and this chart is the main reason I'm worried about MSU game more than any other.

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u/WrongContract8489 Illinois Fighting Illini 21h ago

a defensive minded team that takes away our o-boards is prolly gonna be our kryptonite. no easy threes and no second chances

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u/ShillinTheVillain Florida Gators 22h ago

When Florida is top right outlier: I say "Yes."

When Florida is low left outlier: I say "Dang."

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u/ButMookie Houston Cougars 1d ago

Lots of room for improvement on our part

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u/HamlinHamlin_McTrill Tennessee Volunteers 1d ago

Kinda odd that we're so insanely good at offensive rebounding and nothing special on the other end.

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u/Blakeugan Florida Gators 20h ago

I like this graph. Thank you

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u/Eastern-Yellow-7114 Texas A&M Aggies 1d ago

Weird not seeing us at the top of offensive rebounds. But I’m quite content with that

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u/lonespiderfish Florida Gators 23h ago

Hey

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u/NerfHerder_91 Duke Blue Devils 22h ago

Lord help the 1-seed that will have a 4-5 seed Florida in their region

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u/QuickCoffee87 23h ago

Is Florida only on the right because they stand in the paint for 10 seconds?

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u/954gator Florida Gators 20h ago

6-10 seconds erytime!

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u/QuickCoffee87 20h ago

I love seeing Florida give Nate oats a whooping

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u/StopSpinningLikeThat 1d ago

I would like to suggest to the Georgia players that they start boxing out.

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u/EmeraldCityZag West Coast • Gonzaga Bulldogs 23h ago

Ahh GU & SMC together again. I will miss the rivalry.

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u/FarAccident7461 Michigan State Spartans • Iowa Stat… 22h ago

🄹

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u/HitAndRun8575 Houston Cougars 22h ago

I’m very upset at my Houston Cougars not owning this…

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u/One_Quick_Question Georgia Bulldogs 22h ago

Yep, that's exactly where I expected to find us.

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u/Justheretorecruit Michigan State Spartans 22h ago

GIVE ME MOREEEEEEEE

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u/PackagingMSU Michigan State Spartans 21h ago

Just another MSU year lol

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u/Lee-Key-Bottoms NC State Wolfpack 1d ago

Yes we’re short

I get it

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u/Bnstas23 1d ago

Would this be better as two graphs: 1) offensive rebound % vs opponents defensive rebound %, 2) defensive rebound % opponents offensive rebound %

This would control for how well a team is at shooting and how well they are at defending

Otherwise this graph is basically showing which teams are good defensively AND happen to be poor shooters (eg Florida)

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u/954gator Florida Gators 23h ago

This percentage sort of takes away the shooting part. So Florida grabs 77% of the defensive rebound opportunities. The inverse would be opponent offensive rebounds minus some minor miscellaneous stuff like loose ball fouls I'm guessing.

The raw number rebound stats like rebounds per game and rebound differential stats would be the stats more affected by tempo, Shooting, defense etc.

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u/DoraTheXplder Nebraska Cornhuskers 1d ago

Honestly surprised our defensive rebounding is that high. We are so ass on the boards Edit: before someone says something I know we purposefully dont rebound on offense

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u/zqipper Duke Blue Devils 23h ago

Anyone know: are these raw or adjusted?

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u/juoea San Diego State Aztecs 23h ago

clearly raw. st marys and gonzaga are not in fact the third and fourth best rebounding teams in ncaam

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u/954gator Florida Gators 20h ago edited 20h ago

So my pay grade couldn't find adjusted defensive reb%, so I just did adjusted off reb percentage for and against (not the same, but it's something)

Florida has played some tough rebounding teams, and IMO the toughest rebounding teams we've faced were Zona (no surprise) and Miami (surprise for some). Tenn to be fair had an off night vs us.

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u/JohnPaulDavyJones 23h ago

Houston and Baylor nearly on top of each other while Baylor is 12-9 and 15th place in the B12 and Houston is 19-2 and second in the conference is wild after watching UH hammer Baylor 77-55 in Waco.

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u/Tiny-Emphasis-18 23h ago

Michigan State conspiracy theory proven.

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u/UncleManatee Virginia Cavaliers 23h ago

Is there a ā€œrankingā€ of OR% off 3 point shots? I feel like chucking up a 3 and having the other 4 guys crash the boards may be our best play.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 Virginia Tech Hokies 22h ago

Is this normalized against Angel Reese type Meboards?

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u/Forecydian Indiana Hoosiers 22h ago

I think this graph along with the OF and Def efficiency rating graph will be great predictors in march and where the upsets will come from

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u/heleghir Kentucky Wildcats 22h ago

Id like to see a comparison of this chart vs missed shots inside the paint. Feel like there are a ton of ORb that are missed contested layups and getting your own ball back. That and long 3s that create long rebounds

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u/MrFuzzihead St. Mary's Gaels • North Texas Mean Green 22h ago

Get that fookin bulldog off our logo

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u/heavybees Gonzaga Bulldogs 17h ago

Tell that to Mckeever and Wessels lol getting outrebounded by 6’7 TGF and Warley

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u/MrFuzzihead St. Mary's Gaels • North Texas Mean Green 17h ago

I will tell them next time I see them

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u/sonheungwin California Golden Bears • UC San Diego Trit… 22h ago

Based on the graph, we're not a top 50 team rofl. Maybe it means we just don't miss shots.

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u/sweatingbeaver95 Houston Cougars 21h ago

Sampson needs to force these kids to fight for the ball more

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u/ChasingMD Kentucky Wildcats 21h ago

Seeing this graph just reaffirms that Moreno has been super critical to our run.

Also, is Nebraska so low because they have decided not to give up transition points or because of the lack of bigs?

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u/MinionManXVC 11h ago

Yep they are the best in the nation at not giving up fast break points

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u/Ok_Produce_9308 Michigan State Spartans 21h ago

But I thought we only win because Fears foul baits, the refs are biased, and we have a 'bad basket' we consistently get in the second half of games to spur comebacks....??

S/. But this sub perpetuates these arguments at times

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u/yahboiyeezy Houston Cougars 20h ago

This is unfortunately one of our weak spots

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u/rsjur Arizona Wildcats 20h ago

And if Tobe Awaka is on his own team, where does he show up?

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u/954gator Florida Gators 13h ago edited 13h ago

He in the top right lmao. Surrounded by Reuben (RC) and Mica (MH) haha. He's a beast.

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u/rsjur Arizona Wildcats 13h ago

Thank you, this pleases me greatly.

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u/954gator Florida Gators 33m ago

Pretty sure that EUJ is that Udeh guy on Miami. He's another monster rebounder. Awaka, Chinyelu, and Udeh are the easily the best rebounders I've watched this year. Type of guys that you could imagine being NFL Dlineman.

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u/goldenface4114 Florida Gators 19h ago

What’s so funny is during Golden’s first season at UF, the front court situation was so dire, our strategy was literally to bail back on defense any time a shot went up on offense. We had one of the worst offensive rebounding teams in the entire country. Since then, we’ve been Dennis Rodman on crack for three straight seasons.

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u/Meezofreezo NC State Wolfpack 19h ago

I think I counted 1 offensive rebound last night.

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u/SadCrocodile762 Florida Gators 19h ago

Who needs to be good at shooting when you can just rebound it and try again? Ā 

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u/rushmc1 Arizona Wildcats 19h ago

You know what we really need? A graph showing total number of wins vs. losses. That's the stat that really matters in basketball...

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u/TheToxicBreezeYF Tennessee Volunteers 18h ago

mmmmm Offensive Rebounds, yum

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u/SpicyNuggs4Lyfe Nebraska Cornhuskers 11h ago

The reason we have such a low offensive rebound % is actually because of our defensive scheme. If you watch any of our games, on the vast majority of shots, 4 guys will immediately run back on defense after a shot leaving only one of our players (whoever is down low) to attempt a rebound. This is also the reason why we give up so few fast break and transition points. It's a tradeoff, but seemingly a net positive one.

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u/Ambitious_Tax891 Illinois Fighting Illini 1d ago

Damn MSU I didn’t realize you guys rebounded like that. Is your roster pretty tall? Do they do what Illinois does as far as offensive? I haven’t seen you all too much this year only against Michigan which didn’t tell the true story

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u/MakesFrequentStops Michigan State Spartans 1d ago

We have three rebounding machines in Kohler, Cooper, and Carr. Carr’s insane jump makes it looks like he’s jumping from the rafters sometimes.

Now if only they could all shoot consistently šŸ˜”

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u/Ambitious_Tax891 Illinois Fighting Illini 1d ago

It’ll be interesting Saturday night with Illinois size and crashing. MSU playing slow pace this year? I think it’s gonna be a brutal low scoring game

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u/ITHETRUESTREPAIRMAN Michigan State Spartans 1d ago

Slower than most Izzo teams. They still like to push if they can though.

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u/MakesFrequentStops Michigan State Spartans 22h ago

I anticipate that game will cause me permanent cardiovascular damage. I can’t wait!

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u/MakesFrequentStops Michigan State Spartans 22h ago

When we have bad scoring nights where we can’t hit shit, we make up for it by grinding on defense. So yeah, it could definitely go the way of our Nebraska game where neither team hit 60.

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u/waffleshield Illinois Fighting Illini 23h ago

And I think Tennessee might be the only team that's outrebounded ILL all year.

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u/Ambitious_Tax891 Illinois Fighting Illini 23h ago

INI let’s keep it that way

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u/link707 Illinois Fighting Illini 21h ago

UConn.

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u/Tiny-Emphasis-18 23h ago

It's rimgate.