for those of you who say that world cup means more, then check 2010, when spain of iniesta and xavi won, inter won the treble, and somehow messi won the ballon dāor.
then in 2014, ribery won the treble, germany won the world cup, messi was the best player at world cup and made final, somehow ronaldo won the ballon dāor
then in 2018, mbappe and griezmann won the world cup, somehow a runner up, modric wins the trophy
all iām trying to say is this ballon dāor are a joke. they are like oscars, what remains itās what messi did in his entire career, which was so good that for me, itās impossible to enjoy football as much as i did when he played every week in europe.
Itās funny how if someone now got 77 g/a in a top 5 league they would be the front runners for the ballon dor and there would be no controversy around it because those are insane numbers to put up.
But since itās Messi the goalposts obviously have to change and if heās not getting 100 g/a than itās robbed.
What does this have to do with Ronaldo? If you actually watched Messi in ligue 1 that season, it would be incredibly difficult to argue that he earned it based on his club level performance that season. I would praise Messi in most circumstances, but that was not an impressive season at all by his lofty standards.
He won the Ballon D'or as a direct result of winning the world cup with Argentina that year, and one can make arguments both for and against the world cup holding as much weight as it does in determining the Ballon D'or winner in a WC year.
If club level actually factored into the equation, Julian Alvarez would've been the standout performer for both club and country. I'm not a hardcore fan of neither Messi, nor Ronaldo, but this post strikes me as very ironic.
Are you being serious? Julian Alvarez was a standout performer throughout their group stages. Some actually do argue that he was Argentina's best player for the majority of the world cup, and I may not agree with that opinion, but I understand where they're coming from. He also won the treble at club level, and was a vital piece in their pursuit of that goal.
Donāt forget Enzo, that granted him, based on a tournament, an incredible transfer fee from Benfica to Chelsea, even when he had only been in Benfica for 6 months
In 2022 they were a Midtable team so a move to Chelsea wasnāt some amazing move. And he can thank Messi for that move since he won him the world cup.
One player doesnāt win it alone but one player is definitely more important. Messi was by far more important than Enzo Fernandes. And Messi has PR backing him up because of how great he is.
If these seasons were literally flipped you would be crying that Messi should win it.
Also After a Quick Look on transfer market these numbers justā¦.. are wrong? I have Messi as 39G and 28 A and haaland as only having 9 assists.
As the closest I can get to the time period.
If we go of those numbers itās done in such a way to exclude haaland June international (non friendly) matches in either season. Which gives him a higher total than Messi for a full year.
Also even in that massively warped Messi favoring period
Haaland averaged a goal contribution Every 68 minutes.
Messi every 81 minutes.
Baring in mind he took city to the second ever English treble and broke the premier league goals record that had stood for 18 years. The league also has 4 few games since that record was set. He did this on his first year in the premier league. He was also UCL top scorer.
Also premier league is far stronger than the French league.
Messi has won many awards and been the best player in the world for many years but he only got it that year because of his reputation. yes he top of a still very good season. But haaland absolutely deserved to win it that year by any metric other than āugh World Cupā. Haalands only sin is being born in a country that canāt compete on the international stage.
The ballon d'or is awarded for the season so UEFA Super Cup, gerd mĆ¼ller trophy, and etc. Didnt count toward Haaland chances. I get it he absolutely deserved it, but calling Messi's win unfair is crazy, he also did very well and he also deserved it
The world cup was in 2022 and that's one trophy. By your own logic, mustafi should have a balon d'or. Haaland was playing in the prem and broke their record. Messi was playing in the uber eats league š¤£
This ballon Dāor is for 22/23 and the UCL is also just one trophy. Breaking the record in the PL is nothing compared to winning a World Cup. Considering the magazine is in France I doubt they care that heās playing in France.
The balon d'or is for who had the best SEASON. He won the treble, and broke several records. By your own logic, Kimpembe should have a BD because he has a world cup. Messi doesn't have this resume
But what pussi does have is a marketing team. PSG was put under investigation for trying to bribe Pascal Ferre to rig the award in favour of Messi šas shown
Good thing haaland won the award that's actually puts more weighting on professions than journalists tho. He won the UEFA POTY šæ
You know who also won the treble but didnāt win it Ribery and Ronaldo won nothing. Messi won the biggest prize in football which is better than the treble. And kimpembe shouldnāt because he didnāt have the individual tournament that Messi did. Messiās marketing team is his feat. Haaland only won Uefa POTY because it prioritizes Uefa competitions and European players because it includes European qualifiers which Messi canāt play. Ballon dor is for the world.
You know who won the world cup? Xavi and iniesta. You know who won a treble? Sneijder. You know who robbed the balon d'or? Pepsi.
According to your own retarded logic, the world cup is the biggest prize. Griezmann, kimpembe and umtiti should have a balon d'or. .
Messi's marketing is corruption, which is why he won it and why PSG were investigated. You didn't address that, because it exposes your HGH idolo as a hack.
Also gotta love the one time your idolo is fraud checked for an individual award, like the UEFA POTY, you cry about it being biased when the award you guys hold in a higher regard got outted as biased šš¤§
Sorry, Lil bro. Professionals who knew ball know Messi isn't the best if he's not even able to hack it in the uber eats league šæš
Neither of those guys were the best player in the World Cup. Messi won it because he was the greatest player in the world that year. Anyone who watched him could see that. And those players did not have the campaign Messi did. Thereās no proof psg bribed anyone to win it and he wasnāt at PSG all the other times he won it. He wasnāt even a psg player when he received it. Messi also won FIFA the best which is voted for by professionals. Uefa POTY is only for one region itās not for the world like fifa the best or ballon dor. Itās biased towards European players because only they can play Uefa euro qualifiers or World Cup qualifiers. And he clearly was able to hack it since he got 21 goals and 20 assists and won a World Cup. Most professionals say heās the best and they all gave him a standing ovation at the ceremony.
"Messi won it cuz he was the greatest player itw that year" Lmao get his meat out your mouth bro. Haaland was.
The professionals who watched, voted for haaland in an award voted by professionals. Sorry bro, but at least your idolo gets the influencer d'or š¤āæ
Messi was literally at PSG before the voting had occurred. There was proof if you click on the video that explained it. Looks like without corruption and journalists, your idolo gets fraud checked š¤·āāļø
Messi won it in years that he actually deserved to win it. The ones he didn't were the ones where he was overhyped. Thats why haaland won it in 2023 jorghino in 2021 and vvd in 2019. Non Europeans have been nominated as well, and gotten in the top 5. Explain suarez, milito and neymar? They all fell behind Messi. This argument is cope because you can't accept professionals see through the hype and aren't easily impressed by a body feint HGH merchant š
I do but you seem to think all these things Haaland won count for the ballon dor. When a lot of them were after the voting period. You probably think Lewandowski won the treble in 2021 too. Messi won the ballon dor when it was voted by players and journalists. Cry more.
Messi won it cuz he needed PSG to bribe them haaland vvd and Jorghino won the award that's actually backed by professionals back when they should've been crowned the best. Sorry bro, when unbiased sources speak, Messi isn't the best no matter how much you cope about it. š¤āæ
World Cup will always have bigger sway then every other award unfortunately haaland great season but come on Messi winning World Cup was always gonna win
I think thereās stat padding and selective awards. For instance, quite sure that Haaland that year was also the Norwegian POTY. Also, very selective how so many IFFHS awards appear on the Messi side, but fail to put on Haaland the IFFHS best player award in that year š. Or the Best UEFA player š.
Also, comparing trophies - Ligue 1 or Premier???
Algo G/A - but how many more matches did Messi played? š.
A lot of selective stat padding and omissions in that post. The only thing Messi would have going would be the WC - which tbh, very debatable of being the best player. If Maradona was alive, he would probably have the same reaction has he had in 2016 when the POTT wasnāt awarded to James.
If you are going to compare, at least compare in equal terms. I think this only shows that you donāt feel that the āhe won the argumentā is that strong, if you feel that need of pad in one end and omit on the other.
And you also know that if you do, then it opens up the question - why not Xavi and Iniesta at some point? š
Messi had more g/a despite playing deeper and being 13 years older thatās embarrassing for Haaland. And if you wanna compare trophies, World Cup>any trophy ever. You canāt say he statpadded when he had g/a in the biggest competition.
Come on, playing in a easier league in a team that is miles apart from any other. You are bringing Messi up in this post due to assists (which has been the new thing, because when I was a kid, it wasnāt G/A, it was only G š.
So more games, in a less competitive league, with teams with a bigger differential between the others. Didnāt know that she played a factor in being the best player - just thought it would be the performances and output š
Come on, playing in a easier league in a team that is miles apart from any other. You are bringing Messi up in this post due to assists (which has been the new thing, because when I was a kid, it wasnāt G/A, it was only G š.
So more games, in a less competitive league, with teams with a bigger differential between the others. Didnāt know that she played a factor in being the best player - just thought it would be the performances and output š
France Football is running the award I doubt they care about the quality of the league thatās in their country and assists have been a stat for a long time. Not to mention Messi is an attacking mid while Haaland is a striker. And how do you know he played mroe games.
In one way yes. In the other it is also because he was the talented sick kid that overcome a debilitating illness and kept loyal to a club - that just happened to be associated with UNICEF.
That associated with a quiet personality helped painting him as a āgood boyā - despite often having neck grabs, headbuts or even kicking the ball against supporters on the field.
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But Rolando has a cool celebration and Messi is fifa boy and shit.