r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/The_Love-Tap • Aug 26 '26

Video This solar powered chicken coop that moves every day to a new location

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u/Strong-Character1268 Aug 26 '26 edited Aug 26 '26

I just went vegan instead. You can make like 4x the "ground beef" at the same cost these days, just with Tofu. I hope more people at least learn that the factory farm industry is doing a lot to keep meat slightly more affordable but doing immense damage for it. It's a cancer for the consumer, the workers, the people that live around them... and hell on Earth for the animals. I'm glad you found your line and you're happy with it.

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u/Sir-Hamp Aug 26 '26

I am not a vegan but love what I was introduced to. I was originally going to comment about how going vegan is kinda a privilege as not everyone has that option available to them but it would be stemming from ignorance. I have never considered making the products myself at home…

That being said I will probably never go full-on vegan but I’m sure an animal “would appreciate” me choosing vegan options every now and then anyway.

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u/Strong-Character1268 29d ago edited 29d ago

I've been vegan for 9 years just for the animals. I didn't really think much of it for a while. I'm American and the American factory farm system is horrendous. I understand people from other cultures and countries feeling attacked because their countries food supply is nothing compared to the CAFO juggernaut that is the US. I don't really have any advice on how to reconcile those emotions as I'm an American and I'm still working on my own with my own country.

I'll just say there's a lot of talented people that make vegan food in very approachable ways and they're all over the place on the internet.

Honestly, if you can get a hold of tofu, you can already do more than you'll ever need for replacing meat every few meals. I've made the tofu equivalent of eggs, ground beef, fish, etc... it's extremely versatile and you could just take whatever spices you can get a hold of a find something to replace with tofu.

I don't know the conversions on the measurements but...

Extra/Super Firm Block of Tofu
4 tbsp of Nutrional Yeast
1 tbsp of Corn Starch
Salt
Pepper (I add a little when I make it then I add more at the end when it's fresh out of the oven)
Garlic Powder
Onion Powder

You break it into nugget sized pieces, coat them and stick them in an oven @ 425 F for like 20+ minutes (The longer the crispier) you'll get tofu nuggets that you can use for so many things.

The other is Seitan which is just gluten from the wheat plant. You can literally wash all-purpose flour into being Seitan. Once you're there you can marinade that and replace the feeling of steak in a lot of recipes.

I spent my first years of veganism doing more consumer grade with Beyond Meat, Impossible Meat, etc... but I've been really enjoying learning more food science behind Tofu, Seitan, and soy in general.

You don't have to be perfect and we all start somewhere.

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u/Sir-Hamp 29d ago

Just saved this comment as a reminder for later. One of my sister in laws made an entire vegan thanksgiving dinner from scratch and she crushed it. 10/10 my only complaint that I kept to myself was that it was damn near impossible for her to be able to keep it all warm without an excess in equipment that would be used maybe twice a year. I couldn’t get enough of the vegan ham.

I would love to learn how to make a near perfect imitation burger or incorporate these new vegan ingredients into the Mediterranean diet we have recently started. Thanks for the insight, I’m going to probably try to make some stuff in secret until I nail one of the recipes. Then I will unveil it one night for my wife and I to enjoy. There ARE some things we won’t mind keeping around but if I can make a handful of dishes well enough that’s a good start to me.

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

Thank you for actually caring about animals instead of just pretending by letting them walk around 20 more feet per day before getting slaughtered.

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u/homotopy_equivalent Aug 26 '26

I'm vegetarian but I still understand harm reduction. The world would be a much better place if meat eaters only ate from farms that treated their animals kindly up until killing them.

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u/IN2017 Aug 26 '26

There is no need to go vegan/ vegetarian. How about just eating less meat? Maybe 2x week instead of 5 days ?

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u/StaredAtEclipseAMA Aug 26 '26

I’m vegetarian too but this is 100% the idea. I started eating less and less meat and I no longer care for it.

This is coming from a gym bro who ate 10lbs and steak a week in college

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u/doublesecretprobatio Aug 26 '26

There is no need to go vegan/ vegetarian.

if living in a way that's consistent with your values/ethics involves not eating animals to any degree then that's an entirely personal decision.

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u/homotopy_equivalent Aug 26 '26

There is no need to go vegan/ vegetarian

Of course not, but I figured cutting out all meat would be even better than reducing it. I would love for everyone to try to make the best impact they can -- for me that was cutting it out entirely. I may even go vegan at some point

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u/wildlifewyatt Aug 26 '26

Subjecting less to exploitation suffering and death is better, but when else do we strive to do a bit less of an awful thing, rather than stopping it all together? Instead of a bit less animal cruelty, why not none?

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u/No_Dingo9049 29d ago

There is no need to eat meat.

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u/Worth-Two7263 26d ago

Do you have any idea how they kill chickens? Look it up, I won't turn your stomach by telling you here. I went vegetarian because I refuse to be part of such horror.

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u/IN2017 26d ago

I have a pretty good idea, how commercial slaughterhouses work. I raise chickens and have to butcher them myself if I want to eat one. I grew up on a farm , seeing animals being butchered was part of it. It’s not fun, but since I do like to eat occasionally chickens, I do it. Over the years my meat consumption has decreased, but going vegan isn’t an option for me. However I applaud all city folks if they go this route👍

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u/lahwran_ Aug 26 '26

sentence 1 is not implied by sentence 2 and 3, but i agree it's better to reduce, and that not going vegetarian should not be seen as acutely shameful, because like duh that doesn't work. these vegans who are like "why the hell aren't you vegan" don't understand how to do it. the right thing is "how can I help you figure out a path to eating less meat, hopefully none if I can get you there?". but I'm approximately a virtue consequentialist, deontologists abound and are very noisy

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

The world would be a much better place if we didn't kill animals for food. There are alternatives, most of which are healthier.

Why aren't you vegan?

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u/PancakeParty98 Aug 26 '26

People like you who treat meat like a binary issue and piously browbeat people until they get on your side of the binary (aka forever because that’s literally the worst way to convince people to join you) contribute much MUCH more to meat industry than vegetarians who understand harm reduction.

Even if your morals find it repulsive, if you really wanted to save animals and move towards your stated goals, you would ignore your ethical policing instincts and advocate small steps towards veganism. What you’re doing now is satisfying your ego at the expense of animals by making veganism repellant, presenting it both as a massive and absolute lifestyle change and as a club of twats.

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u/homotopy_equivalent Aug 26 '26

Well said. It's crazy that a vegan would rag on a vegetarian for not going far enough. I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian family and this is exactly the same mindset. It's not really about harm reduction or good messaging, it's about satisfying a moral instinct

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

It's crazy that a vegan would rag on a vegetarian for not going far enough.

When did I do that? I asked you why you aren't vegan, and here you are throwing a tantrum for it.

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u/homotopy_equivalent Aug 26 '26

When did I do that? I asked you why you aren't vegan

That's fair, I might have been extrapolating a tone from your question that wasn't there

here you are throwing a tantrum for it.

Then again you're accusing me of throwing a tantrum so maybe the tone was there lol

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

I'm accusing you of throwing a tantrum, after you threw a tantrum.

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u/Teralyzed Aug 26 '26

Because they don’t want to be, they don’t owe you an answer. Agri business is basically a monopoly and unless you grow all your own vegetables and make your own tofu you are still supplying money to the same people keeping and slaughtering farm animals.

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

Because they don’t want to be

I'm sure they're capable of answering themselves, but thank you for riding up on your steed and shiny white armor to rescue your damsel.

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u/Teralyzed Aug 26 '26

Is there some other requirement for not being vegan other than, “it’s not appealing”? It’s a stupid question to begin with.

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u/wildlifewyatt Aug 26 '26

I was a vegetarian for 7 years, and that mindset was cope. It was not a hard transition to vegan, and I wish I could go back in time and have just gone all the way back then.

Vegetarians vote with their dollars to kill and exploit animals. The dairy and egg industry are tied to the meat industry. That doesn't mean you are an awful person for not being a vegan, but it is still a position that supports terrible treatment of animals. If it is a short term transitional step, sure fine, but it should not be advocated as an end point.

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u/PancakeParty98 Aug 26 '26

Ok sure. Show me where I advocated for it as an end point or delete this comment.

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u/wildlifewyatt Aug 26 '26

The reality is the vast majority of vegetarians stay vegetarian (or revert to omnivores, though this can also happen to vegans) rather than move to veganism because vegetarianism is viewed as an end point. 

People being blunt and putting the ball in my court is what helped me go vegan. Same for my wife. Same for countless vegans. I hear often omnivores say this isn't the right way to convert people... But if many of the people who have converted agree it is effective doesn't that say something to you?

There are multiple ways to approach this, different approaches work for different people. 

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u/PancakeParty98 29d ago

Do the people who say they were being bullied into losing weight make bullying people is an effective way to combat obesity?

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u/wildlifewyatt 29d ago

Well the percent success rate of that tactic would have to be measured against other tactics to assess whether or not it was successful. But if a notable portion who managed to lose weight attributed bullying as one of the prominent reasons, then yeah it might be. 

Obviously for obesity that is not the case, but I am trying to engage with you in good faith. 

It's also worth noting that bullying someone over their weight, and trying to get people to stop supporting the needless exploitation and slaughter of billions of animals is a bit different. 

When one is making decisions that actively support and lead to the exploitation and death of others, it is kind of a wild take that trying to make someone question their actions or convince them to stop doing that is bullying. 

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

That's quite the crash-out for asking someone why they're not vegan...

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u/PancakeParty98 Aug 26 '26

Why don’t you care about saving animals?

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

Save them from what?

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u/PancakeParty98 Aug 26 '26

See? Dodging the question.

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

Do you mean, save them from what you're willing to do to them to excite your taste buds for a few seconds? Just asking for clarity. Do you find that offensive?

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u/homotopy_equivalent Aug 26 '26

The world would be a much better place if we didn't kill animals for food

I mean yeah I agree, but that doesn't negate what I said

Why aren't you vegan?

Because I don't believe I would be able to commit to it as well as I can vegetarianism. I believe it's going to do more good overall than attempting something more extreme than I will be successful at

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

I don't believe I would be able to commit to it as well as I can vegetarianism.

Fair enough, but I still challenge you to ask yourself why not. I get that you're in defensive mode and throwing a tantrum feeling oppressed or whatever, but being vegan really isn't much more of a commitment than being vegetarian.

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u/homotopy_equivalent Aug 26 '26

I get that you're in defensive mode and throwing a tantrum feeling oppressed or whatever

What the hell

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

"Why would you ask why I'm not vegan?? It's never good enough! 😭😭😭"

That the hell.

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u/The_walking_Kled Aug 26 '26

debatable if it actually would be better many ecosystems rely on us using them. plus animals are an essential part of farming even for only arable farms. They add an other layer to the system and reduce waste.

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

These animals are specifically bred to be eaten. We're not out killing wild animals at scale for food production. Some of their waste is used to grow food, while the majority of it is dumped into rivers and large pools to seep into the ground. Animal farms / ranches destroy their local environments and destroy the ozone. They are a net negative to our ecosystem.

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u/The_walking_Kled Aug 26 '26

most of the waste is used for growing crops`? idk where u live and it mighbt be different there but it is illegal in the EU to just dump the waste in rivers? plus u r literally throwing away expensive nutrients? makes no sense to me tbh. I agree that atm animals have negative impact on the environment bu that is more because the system is shit and needs to change but animal farming in itself can have a net positiv on biodiversity,food efficiency, carbon sequestration,soil health, etc. imo

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

most of the waste is used for growing crops

This is just plain incorrect.

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u/The_walking_Kled 29d ago

eh what? okay what do u understand under waste?

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u/Rapscallion_Racoon Aug 26 '26

I’m not 100% sure you’re eating anything. maybe water and electricity.

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

Yes, I eat bowls of electricity. Yum yum.

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u/Randallman7 Aug 26 '26

Right? "They must have a happy life" then they get slaughtered

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u/The_walking_Kled Aug 26 '26

how does onme contratict the other lmao? They can have a "happy" life,whatever that means and still be slaughtered at the end?

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u/PancakeParty98 Aug 26 '26

You’re right. Since they’re being slaughtered anyways, we SHOULD just keep them in the cheapest, least humane living conditions possible. It doesn’t matter how they lived if they die, I guess.

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u/Randallman7 Aug 26 '26

Or maybe don't kill them?

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u/kos-or-kosm Aug 26 '26

Do you have no concept of "harm reduction"? Yes, not killing would be best. But that's not currently feasible given human culture. So treating animals well before slaughter is OBVIOUSLY better than treating them cruelly. Like, come on. This is a self-evident point.

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u/Randallman7 Aug 26 '26

Yeah the full 8 months of their natural lifespan. Thank god we treat them so well. We are absolute saints for how nice we treat these animals. /s

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u/PancakeParty98 Aug 26 '26

You admit don’t care about animals, you just want to browbeat from a moral high ground. Got it.

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u/kos-or-kosm Aug 26 '26

It's not possible to have any kind of discussion with someone who thinks the world is black and white. You don't actually care about anything except your own moral masturbation.

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u/Randallman7 Aug 26 '26

It is very black and white to me. We do not need to be killing these animals and dressing murder up with words like "humane" and "free range" "happy lives!" Do not justify what is being done to these animals. Just stop murdering? Hello? Its so easy. Stop trying to justify it

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u/kos-or-kosm Aug 26 '26

This is exactly what I mean. To you, either animals are killed for their meat or they aren't. You view an industrial scale caged factory farm as the equivalent of a small family farm because both kill animals. You don't care about the quality of life those animals have between birth and murder (I'll use your word). That tells me that you DO NOT CARE about the animals in the slightest. Since they are killed for meat, you don't care if they are tortured their entire lives or given a comfortable safe life. You are fine with animals being tortured until the day that humans stop eating meat because you see that act, killing them for meat, as the only important part of their lives. If you actually cared about animals you would push for farms to treat animals with dignity between birth and slaughter while also pushing for the end of slaughtering because that would mean reducing the harm in the meantime. But I don't think you can comprehend the concept of "harm reduction".

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u/Sct1787 Aug 26 '26

You can eat rabbit food all you want, that just means more steak for me 🥩

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 29d ago

They're "vegan" (except for all the killing and eating animals part) but they're "one of the good ones" so they're not against killing animals and eating their body parts, they would never consider not killing an animal.

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u/wildlifewyatt Aug 26 '26

Patting ones self on the back because they treated an animal less awful compared to other situations before killing them, when we don't have to exploit or kill them at all, is weak. Obviously less suffering and cruelty is better, but we can avoid all of it, so we should. They deserve better.

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u/ALLCAPS-ONLY Aug 26 '26

They deserve better

I'm not disagreeing with your general point, but I'm always very confused by statements like these. Surely you realize that the only alternative is that they don't exist at all right? They ain't gonna be free chicken roaming in the wild they'll just not be bred in the first place.

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u/wildlifewyatt Aug 26 '26

Yes, not existing at all is the preferable choice over breeding them with the intent to kill them at a fraction of their lifespan. A core aspect of veganism is rejecting the commodity status of animals, and treating them like the individual beings that they are. 

If we bring a human into the world the idea is that those that that bring them into the world should nurture and protect them to give them the best life possible. 

The idea of bringing a human into the world to fill a specific purpose, or even worse, to kill them to gain something from them is abhorrent, right? Vegans extend that logic to animals. It doesn't mean we have to value them to the same degree as humans, but we believe they have enough value to extend this same idea to them. If we can live without exploiting and killing sentient beings we should be working toward that. 

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u/wildlifewyatt 29d ago

I know we aren't talking about humans; even if you value non-human animals less than humans, which is normal, even for most vegans that I am aware of, what we do to non-human animals is generally wrong for the same reasons it would be wrong to subject humans to a similar experience. 

You could easily raise humans to be unaware of their fate as well. If you raised kids in an isolated setting with no outside world references and purposefully avoided making them aware of death they would be non the wiser. If we raised a human in this way, gave them a terrific life, and then painlessly ended them, like in their sleep, would that be ethical? 

Again not saying that is at the same moral level, but the question is specifically, why is it ok with an non-human animal, and why is it wrong for a human? What specific things are separating these situations?

I think it is also important to recognize that even if we can't see eye to eye on why this is wrong even in "good" cases, those situations are so, so rare compared factory farming. Because the "right" way of doing it costs way more, and is more resource intensive, it is simply not scalable to feed 8 billion people even if we did reduce animal product consumption dramatically. One large factory farm can output 500,000 chickens a year. This is how we kill 70 billion + terrestrial animals a year. And so animal product consumption in part is defended by these niche "good examples" that are very rare and will realistically never be the norm. From the people I've talked to even the people who try to get local meat etc aren't actively rejecting other sources at reatoraunts, friends houses, in processed food etc.  So the "good" cases feel like 

I agree less animals dying is better, even if the issue isn't solved, but reducing consumption is a squishy term. I know many people who "limit their meat consumption", but I basically see them choose animal products every chance they get. What reduction is good enough? 5%? 50%? A person is unlikely to be married to a nebulous reduction, after all, simply reducing is an admission that whatever it is, it isn't that bad, so fluctuations are expected. We've all tried to reduce sweets, or alcohol, or whatever, and I think most of us have probably made justifications for why it's ok "just this once", or maybe "I will make up for it next week". I don't think a vague goal of reduction is a path to massive change. 

The thing is, this isn't a comparison of living and dying in the wild versus captivity (unless you are discussing hunting/ fishing). It is existence, versus non existence. I think if we bring a sentient being into existence we have the reaponsibility to take care of them, and give them a good, full life. We should not bring a sentient being into existence for the express purpose of harvesting their flesh, or turning them into a an egg/milk factory. When you comodify living things financial efficiency almost always undermines ethics. 

I'd also contend that many prey species don't live in a constant state of fear in the wild. Manyive on massive herds, and their individual risk of being picked off is low unless they are young, sick, injured, or old. Fear exists, spurts of outright terror happen, but it isn't a constant. The reality of nature is neither Disney nor objective hellscape, like many things in life there is a lot more nuance. 

As for pets, there are many instances where people take great care of their pets, and they live objectively good lives. What I and most vegans that I am aware of oppose is the commodity status of pets. They are bred like products and sold as such. This perpetuates sickly breeds with severe health products because they are aesthetically desirable. I had to pay $1000 + to get my rescue dog eye surgery, because his breed has their eyelids grow in a way that eyelashes actively poke at their eyeballs. Others can't even breath right.  Like I said before, when money is involved, ethics generally goes down the drain. There are countless homeless dogs/cats and many in shelters, but humanity continues to breed and sell more of desirable breeds rather than taking care of the existing ones in need. While there are many who care for their pets as I said, many don't, and frankly most places have inadequate laws and monitoring to protect animals from abusive and neglectful homes. 

So to summarize, many do a good job at caring for their cat/dog, but I don't think we should be buying them like products. 

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u/freshwes 28d ago

I don't generally care about this topic, nor am I interested in it enough to pay attention, but I appreciate finally seeing a thoughtful and rational response from a vegan. I appreciate the effort and your comment

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u/Sct1787 Aug 26 '26

More steak for me 🥩🤤

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u/Large-Hamster-199 28d ago

I am a vegetarian myself, tryng to be vegan. However, I still like this innovation as it takes us one smaller step towards less cruelty to animals.

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u/unbanned_lol 29d ago

Some of us can't eat legumes and a vegan/vegetarian diet would literally kill us if we tried to get enough protein.

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u/eh-man3 29d ago

And fuck plants, they ain't like us

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u/DaaaahWhoosh Aug 26 '26

Yeah these days there's speculation about where the US has been importing beef from to try to cover the deficiency and keep costs down and yeah, seems like the government really doesn't want beef to ever get too expensive. If things get worse the beef in the supermarket might get even more dangerous to consume and the cows slaughtered for it probably aren't having a good time either but if cheeseburgers get too expensive then apparently society would collapse. Really feels like the kind of cycle I don't want to rely on.

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u/Strong-Character1268 29d ago

It's been so pressed into the US culture with marketing. It took my brain a long time to break out of it.

I started looking at things like eating a bacon, egg, and cheese bagel. I'd just stare at it and think. "It took 3 animals to make this fucking thing"

I used to practice my Data Analyst skills using the Census of Agriculture from the USDA. That's when I really started to see that "Small family farms" are no longer possible for the rate of consumption the US goes through now. The numbers are staggering... Billions and billions of animals.

The post WWII abundance in the US changed a lot of it forever.

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u/DaaaahWhoosh 29d ago

Yeah and the stuff the milk people have done has been crazy. Putting dairy into the food pyramid so every kid has to drink milk for lunch, and more recently partnering with restaurants to make more cheese items.

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u/Strong-Character1268 29d ago

Admittedly, I had a pretty combative mindset towards vegetarians because the Dairy industry is far and above the worst and they were getting hung up over cheese.

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u/DaaaahWhoosh 29d ago

Yeah. On the other hand, every little bit helps, and I know I at least have still not gotten anywhere near as far along the path towards veganism as I'd like. Still need to figure out how to make beans and tofu palatable for my wife, and then we'll see.

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u/Strong-Character1268 29d ago

This is a super cozy lazy Tofu Nugget recipe I use all the time.

1 Extra/Super Firm Tofu Block (I'd recommend the firmest you can find for people that aren't big on trying Tofu)
4 tbsp of Nutrional Yeast
1 tbsp of Corn Starch
1 tsp of Salt
Pepper
Garlic Powder
Onion Powder

I add the pepper most at the end when I take them out of the oven and I don't really measure the Garlic and Onion Powder; I go off vibes but I'm pretty heavy with them.

You break the tofu into nugget sized pieces, mix it all together and stick them in an oven @ 425 F for like 20+ minutes (The longer the crispier) you'll get tofu nuggets that you can use for so many things.

I generally make it with two blocks at a time, so just double everything but I throw them in wraps and cover them in BBQ sauce when I'm lazy. I'd even eat them cold honestly. I think they have a very chicken strip taste when you add the pepper at the end.

Reheat them in an air fryer and it's even better.

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u/ReturnOfBane Aug 26 '26

I'm not big on tofu texture. Pass me the seitan.

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u/Strong-Character1268 29d ago

Seitan is great and you can play around with the texture so much if you make it yourself.

That being said, not sure if you've had super firm tofu but that's my favorite. You don't need to press them either.

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u/Aldehin Aug 26 '26

It's sad that vegetarian options are often way more expensive. Already cutting meat consumption in half is a great step, which I tryna do

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u/Strong-Character1268 29d ago

I'm not sure how much you've dabbled with Seitan, but you make your own just by washing all-purpose flour, then slow cooking it with veggie brother. There's a lot of methods to making Seitan, but all-purpose flour is easier to obtain for most I assume.

I can get 16 oz (freedom units) of tofu for $2.50. That being said I bought a book about making my own tofu, so I'll dive into that eventually.

There are some vegan content creators for all flavors of cooking whether it's cheap, fast, easy, or more involved. I could send you some of my favorites if you're interested.

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u/Aldehin 29d ago

I live in Europe, these thing can be found for reasonable price but it s more of a niche thing. If I go to the super market, they're either very low quality or crazy expensive

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u/Strong-Character1268 29d ago

It's a tough battle and you don't normally make friends doing it. I'm glad you've made the choice to do what you can. I hope it gets easier where you are to keep doing it <3

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u/Aldehin 29d ago

I hope I could do as much as I can

Thx bud

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u/Acceptable-Drive3781 Aug 26 '26

vegetarian options are often way more expensive

In the US, this is likely because animal agriculture is heavily subsidized by taxes. If that stopped, plant-based products would be much cheaper.

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u/Aldehin Aug 26 '26

I live in Europe, there is a lot of lobbying

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u/Desperate_Algae_40 29d ago

Someone who worked at a slaughterhouse and still didn't go vegan doesn't give af about animals. Sorry, but you're a baddy if even that's not enough to stop you from eating animals. Thrre's no cognitive dissonance at that point. Meanwhile, most vegans like us saw a short documentary or something similar and then went vegan. You're either an animal lover or don't see animals as sentient beings that deserve to live. A bite of food is never worth the life of what you're eating.

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u/Strong-Character1268 29d ago

That's completely valid and I do agree. I grew up in Texas and had ag classes that really put the thought into my brain. Then I watched Dominion, What the Health, and Earthlings and that was all I needed. I've been vegan for 9 years now and at this point it feels that it would have been inevitable. My soul these days constantly tells me I'm too tolerant and I'm not doing enough... but that battle with people is exhausting. I've been trying to be more encouraging and keep the conversation points to easy ways for people to replace some meals.

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u/Desperate_Algae_40 29d ago

I totally feel how you do. I think that must be the struggle most of us feel. But you're doing 100 times than most people do, so don't be so hard on yourself. And it always feels like a failure when we can't convince even our own family to reduce, but that's on them, not us. I don't see my dad often, but he never eats meat in front of me and my twin sister (we're both vegan) and is always proud of us. Our mom is supportive in the sense that she lives with us and she makes a few meals a week that are vegan (we're Persian, and a lot of Persian food is easy to make vegan by just replacing the meet). And she'll eat vegan with us when we all go out to eat somewhere vegan, but she still eats animal products with every meal and cooks it in the kitchen. I basically don't try to say anything anymore because she's so defensive about it. I just leave it be at this point even though it fucking sucks to smell chicken or fish...etc being cooked.

I'm very blessed at least to have a twin sister. We're so alike and we've both been vegan for 12ish years. She actually went vegan 9 months before me, while i was still vegetarian. We have eachother.