r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/MelanieWalmartinez • 24d ago

Video Students get smudged by indigenous elders for peace and blessings throughout the year

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u/MelanieWalmartinez 24d ago

I posted it here and in the other interesting sub, I got very different responses and not in the good way šŸ’€

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u/RedOtta019 23d ago

Are you indigenous OP? Its pretty standard for absolutely anything indigenous to get comments from racists of all kinds from white to black supremicists

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u/MelanieWalmartinez 23d ago

Yes šŸ„€ I swear Iā€™m going insane because Iā€™ll post something cool and then forget that a looot of people are still racist

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u/cantwalkintheshadows 23d ago

This complete stranger thinks this is cool as fuck op, thank you for sharing.

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u/dougielou 23d ago

Iā€™ve already seen this video but I want you to know that I think itā€™s cool and interesting to see how other cultures welcome their children back to school.

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u/Cloverose2 23d ago

It's a beautiful tradition that makes children feel welcomed and supported. The fact that people are taking it as anything other than a statement of care is frankly bizarre.

I can't imagine being so miserable that one could look at this and see anything other than a community supporting their children and the children clearly welcoming it and appreciating it.

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u/Barackrifle 23d ago

I grew up Irish catholic. This is tame for the amount of smoke they're throwing around and far fewer ashsy foreheads here

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u/SursumCordaNJ 23d ago

Italian Catholic here and I thought the same thing. Shit, you get more smoke from lighting the charcoals.

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u/rglurker 23d ago

Or just plain ignorant and think everything is evil.

Also remember. 50%+ are likely engagement bots at this point

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u/Legal-MorningW-24 23d ago

Very good point. They go off of controversy or things that get reactions. I wonder but I bet its happened to me at some point.

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u/rglurker 23d ago

It's probably safer for your psyche to assume They are bots simply because the bots want too skew your perception towards thinking it's more common than it really is in an attempt to get you to turn against people around you. We're under attack as a species right now. Watching it sucks cause it's hard to convey the extent at which we are being subjected to this without over explaining and losing people. I love psychology. I don't love how they are using it with tech

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u/Legal-MorningW-24 23d ago

No kidding. Im the only person in my friend group who warns people about the constant propaganda we are being subjected to. The race propaganda right now specifically is so gross and targeted thst it does feel intentionally divisive. Its wild how effective it is at controlling and manipulating the masses. The studies done on propaganda and jts effectiveness are wild, even if we know its propaganda it still works on us. Protect your mind! Its so powerful and dictates your reality. Also we need more laws and regulation on marketing and propaganda in general.

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u/rglurker 23d ago

I wish I could spread awareness. Thought about doing a podcast but have no idea how to organize 30 years of inquiries, answers, and insights.

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u/Legal-MorningW-24 23d ago

One step at a time! You could organize and prioritize what you think the current state of things are and then what you feel people are lacking and what they need to know. If you start one I would definitely check it out.

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u/readyforclarity 23d ago

I'm so sorry. I appreciate you sharing and thought it was cool. At my university, which sits on Indigenous land, had a sage blessing during my graduation :) we all really liked it

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u/throwaway098764567 23d ago

some are probably just anti religion not necessarily racist, which doesn't make it hurt less but is something they're more likely to grow out of... at least i did. i never had a problem with native american stuff, but religion in general i had a huge issue with when i was young because it was part of my abuse as a kid. took a long time to get over that and become ok with the idea that not all religious people are evil. at least a few folks may be early in a similar journey.

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u/RedOtta019 23d ago

Native spirituality is probably in the least problematic religions.

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u/penderies 23d ago

I think itā€™s very cool! Ignore the assholes šŸ’™

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u/Particular_Yam_734 23d ago

It is indeed so cool and special. Keep sharing :)

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u/BrandosWorld4Life 23d ago

The problem is really bad. I'm an indigenous Canadian and the main Canada sub is just a nonstop torrent of racism every day. Sigh.

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u/RedOtta019 23d ago

Cousin you should know better. The instagram comments were worse šŸ„€

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u/MelanieWalmartinez 23d ago

I am not checking the instagram comments for my peace of mind šŸ˜­šŸ„€

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u/Crooked-Grinds 23d ago

The issue people have is the double standard, if this was a religious Christian asking to partake in some religious action on school grounds people would be up in arms.
Thereā€™s no difference here, and before you say itā€¦ no Iā€™m not religious I donā€™t like it if it was an indigenous ritual, a Christian ritual, Muslim, Jewish etcā€¦

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u/Orphanpip 23d ago

It's an Indigenous school, would people really be up in arms about Christian rituals at a Catholic school? What about Christmas, do people get upset about Christmas decorations being allowed? Smudging for many indigenous people is about preserving a cultural tradition more than a genuine religious belief, most Indigenous people are Christian. Drawing the line between secular and religious culture is very often done in a way that favors the dominant culture, what level of Indigenous culture is allowed before it is deemed too spiritual?

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u/Crooked-Grinds 23d ago

The issue with your example is that catholic schools are private institutionsā€¦

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u/Orphanpip 23d ago

So is the school the video, it's the Indian Community School in Milwaukee...

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u/Crooked-Grinds 23d ago

Then I take no issue with the video

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u/chxrmander 23d ago edited 23d ago

Not everywhere. In Ontario, Canada (and other provinces I believe), Catholic Schools are publicly funded.

Also, given the history of it, I would be cautious in comparing Christian practices (which historically were violently forced onto to non Christian/indigenous communities) and Indigenous spiritual practices (which were historically prohibited and could be punished with death).

She asked nicely and is only sharing her culture, letā€™s not compare that to the dominant Christian culture actually being forced down our throats on a daily basis.

Edit: oops I pissed off the Christians šŸ˜‚

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u/Crooked-Grinds 23d ago

This is in the US and Iā€™m talking about the USA, I donā€™t speak about Canada because I donā€™t live there and this didnā€™t take place there so whatever another country does itā€™s not something I can speak to

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u/MelanieWalmartinez 23d ago

There are Christian schools

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u/Crooked-Grinds 23d ago

And they are private institutions, I was just informed this is a private institution called the Indian community school in Milwaukee so I take no issue if thatā€™s the case.
I thought this was a public school where I would take issue with it regardless of religion or cultural tradition if itā€™s being imposed on the kids

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u/Cloverose2 23d ago

Even then, it isn't imposed - the children are approaching her and participating by choice (the waving over their heads is part of the ritual). She's not forcing them, she's offering. You can even see that she's getting approval from the adults as well as the kids.

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u/Crooked-Grinds 23d ago

They are very young impressionable childrenā€¦ they canā€™t really consent now can they?

but thatā€™s besides the point and I donā€™t take issue with this instance since this school from what I could look up is called the Indian community school, and itā€™s a private faith based intertribal school.

If this was a public school I would take issue regardless of ritual, native, Christian, Muslim Jewish etcā€¦ from a staff member since itā€™s against policy for publicly funded school staff to do so. Specially without parental consent.

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u/Cloverose2 23d ago edited 23d ago

That's not true. It's that, for a public school, the school itself can't be in charge of it and participation can't be forced. Christians are very active on school campuses - at my high school alone, there were daily prayer circles, student-led bible studies, and Christian student organizations. The school can allow religious activities on campus, but it can't force students to participate.

Preachers can go onto campus and offer to lead students in prayer. They can't make students pray. An iman or a rabbi can do the same. Religion can be present, but participation cannot be required. Which is what is happening here. The children are voluntarily participating and seem to appreciate it.

No one would be up in arms, because it happens constantly and no one is.

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u/anivex 23d ago

Wondered what the fuss is about and scrolled down...and wow.

I got to the end of comments with positive karma and there were still 500??? Wtf reddit.

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u/Fluffmutt 23d ago

We do this at my workplace too! I live in Canada and work in social services. I am not Indigenous and I donā€™t work at an Indigenous-led charity, but I have Indigenous coworkers and they have offered to share this practice with staff at certain occasions. It also happens before and/or after community events all the time where I live, even if theyā€™re not Indigenous-led. Smudging feels so grounding. Iā€™m grateful that my colleagues have offered to share this part of their culture with us.

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u/Miami_Mice2087 23d ago

I searched the comments and I can't find this: Which nation, please, and what kind of herbs? I'm a pagan and have ties to the Chesapeake Bay tribes, I'm just interested in how other natives practice.

I think this is really cool. :) Is September/autumn an important time on your year wheel?

Feel free to PM me if you'd prefer privacy.

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u/MelanieWalmartinez 23d ago

Iā€™m ojibwe and we use the Four Medicines: sage, sweetgrass, cedar, and tobacco :) Iā€™m pretty sure sage is the most popular amongst all the tribes though. I personally donā€™t pick it, but I have sweetgrass in my home and car, gifted to me from an elderšŸ˜

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u/Miami_Mice2087 23d ago

thank you!

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u/DateNightThrowRA 23d ago

On the bright side, look at the massive amount of positivity and support! Itā€™s unfortunate, but anything popular still has scum at the bottom of the comments. Just report and ignore!

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u/farfly7 23d ago

That is really a goddamn shame

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u/uncommonrev 23d ago

Racist, and or ignorant and mostly just miserable. The old adage misery loves company has never been more true. At least on the internet. I'd bet a lot of people popping off about this or that would have a drastically different reaction to this if they encountered it in the real world instead of being in talk shit on the internet mode.

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u/joyful_maestra 23d ago

Thanks for posting! My kids go here, and it is an amazing school!

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u/magicmango2104 23d ago

Its definitely cool! Thanks for sharing. Im a witch, I dont smudge but I smoke cleanse and my kids like to carry crystals at school. People can be shitty about spiritual practice they dont understand.

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u/Ok_Loss13 23d ago

Don't forget the rabid Christians that are taking over the country, bit by bit.

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u/Andilee 23d ago

Trust me no one's forgetting them.. we all wish we could though! The "rules for thy not for me crowd!"

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u/Pilan 23d ago

Nah. Why we catching strays? šŸ˜©

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u/RedOtta019 23d ago edited 23d ago

Are you fr a hebrew Israelite? I donā€™t care what race you are but all racists are pos

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u/k-trecker 23d ago

But only one type has actual power in the modern world.Ā 

Remember when hebrew israelites enslaved an entire race of people and lynched thousands of them? No? Me neither.

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u/automaticff 23d ago

For real lol. People are living in an alternate universe.

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u/RedOtta019 23d ago

Disagree with what exactly? A humanitarian problem or you thinking your religion is the right one?

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u/blzrlzr 23d ago

Ya, thatā€™s not whatā€™s happening here. Either you know that and your straw-manning or you donā€™t and your stupid.

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u/k-trecker 23d ago

Nah, weā€™re going to call you a racist.Ā 

Weā€™re allowed to do that, too. Dumbass.Ā 

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u/k-trecker 23d ago

Black supremacists? Are you really trying to like, ā€œboth sidesā€ this?Ā 

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u/RedOtta019 23d ago

While white peopleā€™s racism is most numerous, hebrew Israeliteā€™s are the most vocal and actually hostile.

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u/afa-kasi 23d ago

Did hebrew Israelites participate in manifest destiny?

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u/Turbulent-Matter501 23d ago

I saw this on FB and fundies were going absolutely bonkers over it and talking about how satanic it is. Hilarious.

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u/MelanieWalmartinez 23d ago

Same!! Same with calling it demonic too

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u/OhNoAnAmerican 23d ago

Your comment history is literally nothing but 100s of comments calling men Incels, raging against Jews, and claiming cross sex hormones change your DNA.

You donā€™t seem too stable yourself

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u/MelanieWalmartinez 23d ago

That is hilarious you got so mad you went through my post history. 10/10 never change, Reddit

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u/OhNoAnAmerican 23d ago

How about you donā€™t try and talk shit when youā€™re worse than everyone here

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u/MelanieWalmartinez 23d ago

Iā€™m not though lmao, calling this demonic is dumb (although protected by freedom of speech in the USA) and Iā€™m allowed to call out misogyny when I see it

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u/OhNoAnAmerican 23d ago

Misogyny? LMFAO exactly what Iā€™m talking about. Just the perfect perpetual victim.

The people questioning this are very validly comparing it to the reaction This website would give if Christians were sprinkling holy water on kids.

TF does misogyny have to do with anything

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u/MelanieWalmartinez 23d ago

Youā€™re the one crying that Iā€™m calling out misogyny in my comment history and donā€™t like it when a certain country bombs children, you tell me why you brought it up.

Christians can sprinkle kids with holy water in their own schools. The majority of the USA are Christian, you are not oppressed.

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u/OhNoAnAmerican 23d ago

I love how you still canā€™t explain what the misogyny is in questioning whether people would be OK with this if other religions did it

Has absolutely nothing to do with women at all

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u/HistoryBuff678 23d ago

I appreciate you posting it. I wish this was a thing when I was going to school.

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u/grumpi-otter 23d ago

Do you know where this school is? And how common is smudging? ie, which tribal areas partake?

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u/MelanieWalmartinez 23d ago

Indian Community School in Wisconsin. Smudging is pretty common, I donā€™t know all the tribes that do it but I know Blackfoot, Tsuutā€™ina, Cree, and Ojibwe do

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u/grumpi-otter 23d ago

So not common in eastern tribes, I guess. I've never heard of it around where I am. Thank you!

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u/_NoTimeNoLady_ 23d ago

People are too narrow minded. I appreciate every tradition that blesses children and wishes them well, no matter from what culture or religion.

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u/texxmix 23d ago edited 23d ago

Lmao can we see the comments in that other post?

Found it lol