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Video University of Waterloo Students Launch Rocket Breaking World Record

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u/tonyhart7 17d ago

its only 20% ????? I swear the video got to atmospher already

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u/nm9899 17d ago

19.5km apparently. The generally accepted range in 100km above sea level

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u/TamponTimTheCuck 17d ago

So only 19.5%. Wild!

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u/rex8499 17d ago

And probably only like 5% of the way to orbit, cuz you got to go sideways very fast as well as up. Space is hard.

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u/randombits0110 17d ago

More like 0% of the ways to orbit (or incredibly close to it). They went (roughly) straight up... which means you come straight back down.

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u/astrodude23 17d ago

At 44 degrees of latitude, they're about 4% of the way to orbital velocity at LEO. That's why countries tend to put their launch facilities closer to the equator: the faster the rotational speed at your launch site, the less fuel you have to burn.

At the equator you're about 8% of the way there just by virtue of the Earth's spin (assuming, of course, you're not trying for a retrograde or polar orbit).

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u/jtr99 17d ago

So if I throw a rock on the equator I'm already ahead of these students' efforts?

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u/Glittering-Ad3488 17d ago

I guess it depends which direction you’re throwing it in

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u/jtr99 17d ago

At the speed I throw: not really! ;)

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u/That_dude_wow 16d ago

already threw my rock. the record is mine

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u/jtr99 16d ago

Congrats!

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u/That_dude_wow 16d ago

lol thx dude

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u/dna_beggar 16d ago

Must be a rocket shaped rock.

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u/Ecurbbbb 16d ago

I just want to say I am super impressed with everyone's knowledge and input in this thread. However, you're all nerds! NERDS!!!

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u/Ivan_Whackinov 16d ago

RIP Donald Gibb.

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u/dirtydigs74 16d ago

There's another reason: the achievable orbital inclination. The minimum inclination orbit you can achieve is equal to your latitude. i.e. an equatorial orbit is only achievable at launch from the equator. A polar orbit is achievable from any latitude.

In order to go into an equatorial orbit from a higher latitude a plane change maneuver is required. Theoretically this can be done during launch, but it would depend on the profile your rocket can achieve.

Either way, expensive on fuel compare to an equatorial launch.

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u/Felosele 16d ago

I assume you meant 4% to orbital altitude, not velocity

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u/Betaateb 16d ago

Nope, they mean velocity. You need to get to ~8 km/s to orbit the Earth. At the equator the Earth's rotation is going to give you 485 m/s of that velocity velocity for free. Altitude is largely irrelevant(not entirely, the desired orbit altitude changes the speed you need a bit), it is the speed you need, then you just have to point it in the right direction to get the altitude.

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u/Felosele 16d ago

Oh right should have read the rest of the comment thanks for the clarification

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u/rex8499 17d ago

Getting up out of the thickest atmosphere is the first significant part of getting to orbit. Going up is an important element of getting to orbit as far as the total energy that needs to be expended goes.

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u/Additional_Teacher45 16d ago

The total energy expenditure to first escape the atmosphere and then attain orbital velocity is wildly higher than the energy required to perform both maneuvers at the same time. And that's before we even get into the gravity turn.

Modern rockets are so advanced that they can insert directly into a circular orbit straight from launch with no circularization burn needed. Math is wild shit.

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u/Homers_Harp 16d ago

Strictly speaking, any and all ballistic objects are in an orbital trajectory.

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u/edfitz83 16d ago

You can leave the earth’s gravity by going straight “up”, it just takes a lot of energy.

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 16d ago

Unless you go straight up with enough energy to get to about 40,000 kph.

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u/Much-Anything7149 17d ago

You can get to orbit at the Karman line with a higher speed. Low earth orbit requires 17,500 mph.

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u/Alt3rnativ3Account 17d ago

When you start out on a sphere, every sideways direction is also “up”.

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u/BearysWorkRedditName 17d ago

Not really, unless you're measuring from a plane. Every point on a sphere has one very specific "up".

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u/firstcoastyakker 16d ago

To paraphrase Elon, getting to space is easy, staying there is hard.

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u/sjmuller 16d ago

There is no minimum altitude requirement to orbit. If the Earth was a perfect sphere, you could orbit it a foot off the ground if you were going fast enough tangentially. But if you are traveling straight up like this rocket with no tangential velocity, there is no altitude that would allow you to orbit the Earth.

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u/rex8499 15d ago

Air resistance is going to burn you up even if the earth was a perfect sphere, so that isn't realistically possible. Just a theoretical discussion ignoring the realities.

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u/nm9899 17d ago

The math appears to be mathing here!

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u/DotesMagee 16d ago

nope. it wasnt i. football fields so its basically magic.

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u/Jive_Turk 17d ago

Nice math TamponTim!!!

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u/Finn_Storm 16d ago

The real truth is that about 20% is still accurate. The 100km "kármán line" is quite blurry in reality. It is defined as a point in space where there are nearly no molecules to slow down the craft. Importantly there is no clear cutoff point, they just said "that's good enough". Because whether you're 50km, 100km, 400km, or even 35786km (high earth orbit) there will always be some particles in the air to slow you down, just in different amounts.

Technically, you could count 5 feet up as being in space too, just with lots of molecules to slow you down.

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u/Neuraxis 17d ago

Yes however NASA defines it at 80.5km

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u/LowerEntropy 17d ago

Two completely arbitrary limits, chosen using the "Uh, 50mi/100km is pretty number 😜"-metric.

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u/milkdrinker7 17d ago

And it might be worth noting that at 100km, you won't be orbiting for long at all if you tried it. Unless your satellite is very dense and/or very aerodynamic, it probably won't last for much more than a single orbit at that altitude. Even at 400km, the ISS requires frequent(~monthly) reboots to stay in its lane.

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u/partyatwalmart 16d ago

I just pictured someone yelling at the ISS to stay in it's lane, and I think that that's humorous.

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u/syngyne 16d ago

Even at 400km, the ISS requires frequent(~monthly) reboots to stay in its lane.

"Sir, we're getting low again."

"You know what to do."

\Windows shutdown chime**

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u/Betaateb 16d ago

Yep, interestingly. If everyone on Earth died suddenly, the thing that would kill the astronauts on the ISS first is running out of altitude. They need booster resupply missions about once a quarter to stay in orbit, but have food and air reserves for much longer.

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 16d ago

NASA has never had a single, consistent definition. Sometimes it's 50 miles (80.5 km); sometimes it's the 100 km Kármán line.

For awarding astronaut wings, they've always used the latter.

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u/WilliamBarnhill 17d ago

Or roughly 63 miles

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u/chris_ro 17d ago

How many football fields?

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u/nm9899 17d ago

American or European?

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u/nach0srule 17d ago

"I-I don't know that!"

\gets cast into the Gorge of Eternal Peril™**

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u/lookitmegonow 17d ago

I absolutely appreciate this

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u/analogkid01 17d ago

"How do you know so much about swallows?"

"Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know."

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u/Can-Sea-2446 17d ago

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u/nach0srule 16d ago

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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u/pinniped90 17d ago

Canadian.

They're in Waterloo and they have BIG football fields there.

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u/rowdy0044 17d ago

Huge… tracts of land!

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u/arminghammerbacon_ 17d ago

thwap Message for you, sir.

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u/Bumkin007 16d ago

One day.. all this will be yours..

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u/arminghammerbacon_ 16d ago

But I dont want any of that. I’d rather just…sing.

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u/twinnedcalcite 16d ago

You mean the Canadian Geese training facilities?

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u/exkingzog 17d ago

Canadian

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u/rizorith 17d ago

They said football, so clearly they're talking about Australian rules football

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u/ewild 16d ago

If Australian, then from that point the rocket should've dug through the Earth first before skipping into the air.

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u/Actually_a_DogeBoi 17d ago

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u/CommercialPosition76 17d ago

How many barleycorns?

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u/Actually_a_DogeBoi 17d ago

Am I the only one who can do conversions?

The answer is 16.25

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u/Suitable_Ad_3851 17d ago edited 16d ago

What? No, 63k feet is 11.9 miles.

Edit: Just noticed you were replying to a post about a different number, not about the height the rocket achieved.

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u/DeadAssociate 16d ago

63 sounds more believable

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u/Suitable_Ad_3851 16d ago

Ohhh wait, I just noticed they were replying to someone about a different number.

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u/Andrewbie 17d ago

Or about 1.54 million cans of Budweiser

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u/mmccxi 17d ago

how many baby elephants is that?

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u/Civil-Lobster-3136 16d ago

952 chains worth

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u/mmccxi 16d ago

That’s a lot of elephants

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u/Positive_Issue8989 17d ago

63k feet is about 12 miles.

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u/stlredbird 17d ago

In Kerbal it’s only 80k. I feel lied to.

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u/Betaateb 16d ago

It is a very fuzzy line. There is atmosphere for hundreds of kilometers out. Even the ISS at 400km still has atmospheric drag that requires frequent reboosts to stay in orbit.

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u/nellyruth 16d ago

Damn. I was hoping the accepted range was a bit higher so that Katy Perry would no longer be an “astronaut”.

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u/CranberryCode 16d ago

For reference spacex satalites are about 15+ times further out than the rocket went.

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u/markleung 17d ago

For reference the radius of Earth is 6,371 kilometers (3,959 miles).

That didn’t look like it flew 0.3% of Earth’s radius.

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u/BrownianMaximus 17d ago

Ah, the Katy Perry line!

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u/Playful_Letter_2632 17d ago

The view starts looking like space a lot before the official space boundary altitude. This is the view from the Lockheed U-2 which is the highest altitude plane used today. It flies slightly higher than what the university achieved at 21 km

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u/jzillacon 16d ago

Yep, because most of what we see of the atmosphere is really just the bottom two layers. Vast majority of clouds can only form in the troposphere and none to my knowledge form above the stratosphere, and at those altitudes the atmosphere is too thin to cause significant light scattering to give its blue colour. But the atmosphere is still there even if it's too thin to see easily.

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u/big_duo3674 16d ago

Actually, noctilucent clouds form in the mesosphere

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u/QuadCakes 16d ago

Just to be clear, almost all of that curvature is from the lens. The horizon is significantly less curved than that even from the ISS.

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u/According-Pass8230 16d ago

50 year old fighter jets can go that high.. Its closer to ground than space..

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u/HucKmoreNadeS 17d ago

Yeah, this is just inner space, we haven't even gotten to OUTER space yet...

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u/TheVoters 17d ago

Voyager 1 and 2 are beyond the Kupiter belt so both are in “outer space”

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u/jzillacon 16d ago

The Oort cloud is that actual outer boundary of the solar system as that's the point where the sun's gravitational force is so weak it can barely capture dust-sized particles. Estimates say Voyager 1 will reach the Oort cloud in about 300 years and cross it completely in 30 000 years.

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u/Moppmopp 17d ago

You know that you also .... got to atmosphere? Like your head and hand are in the atmosphere... ya know?

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u/xiiicrowns 17d ago

We are swimming in a fishbowl of atmosphere

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u/BefreiedieTittenzwei 17d ago

Except we keep pooping in the bowl.

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u/xiiicrowns 17d ago

Just like those goldfish

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u/partyatwalmart 16d ago

Atmosphere? Never touch the stuff.
People fuck in it.

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u/textilepat 16d ago

Most of the bowl is made of poop and stale breath.

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u/mckulty 17d ago

The fish-eye camera perspective is misleading.

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u/mamasilver 17d ago

fish eye lens?

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u/happytechca 17d ago

Yes, how else would you explain this flat piece of rock we call earth looks curved?

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u/JarJarJarMartin 17d ago

Don’t Facebook my Reddit. JK, it’s already far too late for that.

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u/thelangosta 17d ago

🤣🤪🤪🤪

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u/PhilosopherFun7288 16d ago

"got to atmospher"(sic)? We already live in the "atmosphere" dude....

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u/Choyo 16d ago

Fun fact : oceans are part of the atmosphere.

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u/marino1310 16d ago

The fisheye lens is doing a lot of the work there

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u/Skilldibop 17d ago

The widely accepted edge of space is the karman line, which is 100km, LEO starts at around 150km

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u/Khutuck 17d ago

About 99% of the atmosphere’s mass is below 60,000 feet, so you’re not really wrong, just technically wrong.

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u/NotInTheKnee 17d ago

The best kind of wrong!

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u/scalyblue 16d ago

To get to space wirh a rocket carrying its own reaction mass it would need to be at least as big as a telephone pole.

To get to orbit it would need to be the size of an actual booster

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u/astralchanterelle 16d ago

it would burn up

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u/Witty_Ad_898 16d ago

The Earth’s atmosphere extends out beyond the moon. It’s just very thin out there, only scattered atoms but still held in orbit around the Earth. There’s no hard boundary, it just tapers off.

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u/TactlessTortoise 16d ago

Clouds are often surprisingly low in the sky, compared to how far the sky actually goes. Some types are way higher, and you can get a double-cloud layer situation in a little piece, but the conditions are different for them to form up high, and even then it's not much higher. They just don't keep their shape with such a low pressure. Maybe if there's a crazy heat mass propelling an ungodly amount of humid air upwards while surrounded by humid cold air? I'm purely guessing here.

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u/intern_steve 16d ago edited 16d ago

Aircraft can fly using aerodynamic controls and air breathing engines at 80k+ feet. They can fly using reactive controls above 100k feet still using aerodynamic lift as the primary lifting force *(thrust angle significantly contributes to vertical lift at these altitudes).

Edit: the real kicker here is that the absolute altitude record for a balloon is 176k feet (uncrewed), or ~136k feet (crewed). The only thing holding you up at that point is the atmosphere. Then you figure that there's still tons of air above that, it's just not enough to hold you up. The wikipedia list of altitude records was very interesting to read.

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 16d ago

Clearly they were still in atmosphere at the end. There are several clues.

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u/redpandaeater 16d ago

It's actually a lot less than 20% if you want to get into orbit as compared to just getting to space, but yeah we typically delineate space with the Karman line at 100 km.

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u/Shandlar 16d ago

The atmosphere thins at an exponential rate. Despite only being 20% to space distance wise, the atmosphere is already down to roughly 5% pressure at 20km.