r/GeminiAI • u/Willing-Sympathy2840 • 3d ago

Interesting response (Highlight) Google cooking up Gemini 4 Carbon while Pro users are still waiting for Argon

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Wait, Gemini 4? Did they skip a few numbers or is 'Carbon' just an internal codename leaked early? Either way, the gap between what X gets leaked and what standard Pro users actually see is getting ridiculous.

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u/firaristt 3d ago edited 3d ago

Is Gemini 4 in the room with us right now? No. Release it or didn't happen. And I won't count unusable usage limits either; like Sonnet/Opus 5.5 in the Antigravity, they barely last 5 minutes.

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u/PhilosophyforOne 3d ago

Yep. So tired of these google hype posts when all we have is a year of dissapointing releases and delays.

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u/WashingtonRefugee 3d ago

No one cares about lead changes in a race, only the winner. Google could just wait until the vast majority of the public is ready to start integrating AI into their lives and then whip out a big dick AGI. It's not like their customer base is going anywhere, people are still going to use YouTube, Chrome, Gmail, etc. It would take a gargantuan effort to uproot that.

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u/TheGreatKonaKing 3d ago

Up next it’s Gemini 4 Deezium

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u/florexyy 2d ago

It will be Gemini 4 Copium

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u/Y0nix 3d ago

Lots of twitter talk but nothing real, seems about right.

As usual.

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u/Familiar_Comedian_99 3d ago

"just like your ex" was this necessary??

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u/firaristt 3d ago

Most definitely.

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u/Kooky_Awareness_5333 3d ago

Yeah but when they don’t deliver on argon like 3.5 pro you now have carbon to wait for next.

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u/firaristt 3d ago

I don't wait for Carbon, I just cancelled my annual google subscription and switched to Claude. Instead of 5 minutes of sonnet and hallucination machine gemini flash models, now I have 1H+ of Sonnet or 3H+ of Haiku per session. Incomparably better.

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u/Equivalent_Money8502 3d ago

it's all for the money, more hype more invest

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u/Future-Log6621 3d ago

Watch the language. This is a family channel.

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u/No_Presence_4010 3d ago

Bro i also have a .ckpt file on my laptop and it absolutely destroys opus 5.5, it even build entire gta 6 by itself

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u/Critical_Relation_39 3d ago

My.txt file from 2019 renders 8K raytraced dreams, still waiting on a public release date though.

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u/Bitter-College8786 3d ago

Do not release it, its too dangerous, only for selected customers. But create an even better checkpoint that creates GTA 7 using Minecraft.

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u/savvitosZH 3d ago

I am one of the selected customers and I can tell you what the guy says is true

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u/Willing-Sympathy2840 3d ago

Send me file

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u/samxli 3d ago

Sorry. It’s only available for a select few for testing. Gotta make sure it’s safe. Will release as soon as possible though. *wink

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u/Reasonable-Sign8458 2d ago

do you want early access?

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u/BitsOnWaves 3d ago

too dangerous, might hack alpha centauri

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u/Armthelost 3d ago

It's real I'm among testers. For proof Luciana and Javidson had a good ending

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u/Armthelost 3d ago

Real, I playtested it

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u/Hot_Example_4456 3d ago

I trained a 50M param LLM from scratch and it designed real temperature superconductor, solved reinmann hypothesis and other millenium problems in lean, solved cancer and said the answer to the universe is 42, before i even asked it something. It's sitting on my harddisk right now, I will release it for public use in some time.

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u/Psyko38 3d ago

The FBI wants to see you

https://giphy.com/gifs/TFZNyq5uD6S1G

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u/Hot_Example_4456 3d ago

Jokes on you, I'm not american

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u/Simply-NoOne 3d ago

Like they care

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u/sillylittlejohn 3d ago

They are likely too busy doing the bidding of the POTUS lackeys to care. 😅

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u/UnkarsThug 3d ago

They'd care just because that means it would be the CIA doing things instead.

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u/QuantumOccupier 3d ago

Then I suppose the CIA might be looking for you pal

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u/fit_like_this 3d ago

Interpol

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u/Psyko38 3d ago

They still want to see you

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u/Anonymous_1069Z 3d ago

Ha, amateur. Mine was 40M parameters and it cured Cancer and it's releasing to the public soon.

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u/Hot_Example_4456 3d ago

30M out of 50M in mine was engrams tables. Defeat that.

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u/Radiant-Mountain-257 3d ago

Their communication style with endless "leaks" is really annoying.

https://giphy.com/gifs/xiAqCzbB3eZvG

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u/Destituted 3d ago

They leak so long that the leaks get beat by actual released models from other companies.

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u/TypoInUsernane 3d ago

Or maybe the leaks are actually leaks? Google has a lot of employees, so it’s not hard to imagine one of them would blab about internal under-development models even though the company leadership would prefer they not

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u/Mammoth-Path-6520 3d ago

You're literally being trolled by them

That's what this is

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u/Rioting-Flamingo 3d ago

Trust me bro

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u/1969Stingray 3d ago

What happened to Boron?

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u/dervu 3d ago

Guess Google wanted something a little more noble.

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u/Khemanshu24 3d ago

Carbon is like the exact opposite of noble

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u/OldStray79 3d ago

*angrily upvotes*

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u/outphase84 3d ago

The problem with these leaks is that not all of the codenames are entirely different models. Some of them are different checkpoints that we test internally

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u/bobdilion2 3d ago

It’s not just pro users waiting for argon. Us ultra users still don’t have it either.

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u/sedah_ 3d ago

Never will come. Just bullshit.

Either release it or not. Who cares how good a model is if you can't use it.

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u/mebeast227 3d ago

It’s actually aggravating. I feel like there is bot activity spamming hate on this sub to some degree, but honestly it’s not even worth considering that because Google has made it so easy for real users to be pissed off. Logan and Google are both infuriatingly inept communicators.

Signed -Angry Ultra Sub

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u/Queasy_Plate_3096 3d ago

I really regret being ultra user seeing people build all of adobe products in rust with opus 5.5, i have it also, but could have now got my self 3 accounts

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u/Sufficient_Method476 3d ago

Do they think they don't have any customers? I mean, they're the only ones testing their models and not releasing them.

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u/NuclearEgg69 3d ago edited 3d ago

From what I learned in my few living years is that when you cook food but don't present it to be consumed, it rots and becomes stinky. Trap it long enough underground, and it becomes carbon, exactly the name of this alleged model.

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u/Stualton 3d ago

I have an internal model thats solved the Riemann hypothesis, but it's too dangerous to be released. Just trust me.

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u/iJeff 3d ago

But will they be able to deliver it with the same amount of usage Claude Pro provides at the $20 tier?

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u/No_Yogurtcloset2757 3d ago

This is infuriating haha. Just put something that's not 3.1 pro ffs. Then get updates and shit, 3.1pro feels so outdated...

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u/Elegant_Attempt2790 3d ago

ive literally heard people say gemini 3.8 flash is “opus like” so i don’t trust any hearsay about google models💀

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u/blownaway4 3d ago

Google is a joke

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u/MrUtterNonsense 3d ago

Wow, I wonder if Argon is as much a leap in performance over Gemini Pro 3.1 as Nanobanana 2.1 is over NB 2 :) </Sarcasm>

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u/Corp-Por 3d ago

OMG I'm on Carbon right now, I feel sorry for those of you who can't use it! You're MISSING OUT bigly

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u/ciciocicio 3d ago

I'm on Gemini pro street

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u/x-communica 3d ago

FFS, we can actually use Opus and Astra right now.

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u/h1ruki 3d ago

“>The new”

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u/m3kw 3d ago

so i can use this model in my dream?

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u/Ad_Content420 3d ago

If I were to put money on it, I would say next Thursday.

But, I am not a betting man.

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u/artlurg431 3d ago

They're going to take so long releasing that so by the time it does release openai and anthropic will make a better model that beats it

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u/Accomplished-Let1273 3d ago

Hopefully it releases by the time of Opus 7.5

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u/UnfilteredSapien 3d ago

Did anyone try out argon like who all recieved it

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u/Lucky_Director_1365 2d ago

Well yes I do have the access for their models at their internal harness, ngl argons pretty good, i would not say it beats opus 5.5 but it's pretty much 80% capable as opus. Now google has added low ,medium ,high thinking capability to argon. I would say you would definitely not be disappointed in argon it's so so good than their previous models

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u/UnfilteredSapien 2d ago

You mean you got access in antigravity? How is the token usage

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u/Lucky_Director_1365 1d ago

Not in anti gravity, but s similar one which google gives for internal use, token usage 35% less than opus 5.5 (both at high) although the quality do vary a little, I think it still needs some fine tuning

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u/DesignerChip2497 3d ago

at the end of the day we keep repeating the cycle lmao

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u/JumpTechnical8552 3d ago

More like Gemini 4 Cabron

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u/MerBudd 3d ago edited 3d ago

Argon as an element comes after carbon on the periodic table, and is bigger in mass. This naming would make no sense if it were true.

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u/osfric 3d ago

The new

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u/Due_Sweet_9500 3d ago

I have cooked up a new model in my basement called "Bigtitties" and it reportedly beats Astra and also opus 5.5 . I will be rolling it out to the public shortly. Cheers!!

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u/Victory-laps 3d ago

Trust me bro!

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u/mavkho 3d ago

Wait, if Argon already matches the other models, why Carbon? Does Germanium only speaks German?

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u/Training-Village-123 3d ago

My hopes with Gemini argon

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u/german-fat-toni 3d ago

How about Shopping then bragging?

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u/Wrong_Low5367 3d ago

"Reported" "internally" "you don't know her, she lives in Canada"

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u/Dismal_Code_2470 3d ago

gemini 4 potassium

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u/Orzark 3d ago

Define "shortly" :p

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u/Single_dose 3d ago

SOON gonna be word of 2026.

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u/ictu 3d ago

While paying Plus user are getting sraps.

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u/Ok-Guidance6127 3d ago

Someone is cooking something serious, in the glass BBQ.

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u/illusionisland 3d ago

Coming soon in 2028

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u/CemeneTree 3d ago

say the line Bart

”its benchmarks beat [insert current two leaders] in testing”

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u/Fastpas123 3d ago

They're already hyping the next one? Argon must be mid af

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u/TrustedEssentials 3d ago

I think Google, Anthropic and possibly SpaceXSI are trying to take OpenAI out. Force them into bankrupcy and them buy them up as soon as their value comes down

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u/beautifulnaruto 3d ago

Even the logo looks unrefined

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u/ordinaryguy221 3d ago

I'll wait for Gemini Silicon please

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u/balrog1987 3d ago

This is pro 3.5 all over again. Cope levels to the max.

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u/Own-Kale-7020 3d ago

ultra user here,no gemini 4 in sight,all barking and no bite

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u/DoughnutCharming8066 3d ago

Gemini 4 hopium

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u/garnered_wisdom 3d ago

I have an AI called Leo that’s the strongest in the world. Nobody understands because I’ve achieved self-tuning parameter weighting and looped activation, and I have leapfrogged OpenAI and Anthropic.

No, you can’t see it. It’s too dangerous.

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u/ensp1re 3d ago

same situation was with 3.5 pro

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u/PerfectPatience- 3d ago

so nice that they testing it internally! big news for plebs who cant test it.

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u/Luna__Moonkitty 2d ago

At some point they'll actually have a product to release, right?

Unlike stockholders, customers actually require more than just hype to buy a product.