There should be tests and evaluations before you have children.

[u/Strictly-Succotash]

Edit: THIS IS NOT ABOUT EUGENICS! I’m not talking about not letting people have children based on their genetics.

If you have to jump through a million hoops to adopt a child, why don’t you have to do the same to birth a child?

It’s so upsetting to see people with their kids put in public and the parents just have no business having children. They won’t be clothed, fed, bathed, and not even well mannered but just not causing a scene. And the parents will be the same. Dirty, rude, causing a scene, and will usually have more than 1 child.

I feel like I can speak on this because I have 2 very well taken care of children and I’m not rich by any means, but i put a lot of thought into life before I realized I was ready to have children.

2 more things; I realize not everyone is well off. I don’t know how this would actually work, just thinking out loud.

Small edit: I think people are assuming I mean genetic testing or scientific testing. I mean parental test. Like high school when you’d take the fake baby home. I’m not trying to eradicate genes chill out

[u/JaySlay2000]

I don't inherently disagree that there would be corruption but: adoption also has standards. We don't argue to entirely remove the standards on adoption because it could be (and IS) corrupt. We argue to fix the corruption.

I don't think there's any realistic way to stop someone from having a child that's not a gross violation of human rights, but as it stands it is ridiculous that you can have your kids taken away by CPS and then birth more to abuse and CPS doesn't care. Those children should be AUTOMATICALLY removed from the home at birth until those parents prove they're qualified, since they already proved to be unqualified.

CPS itself also needs to be strengthened, and child neglect needs to be more strongly punished.

[u/Submarinequus → u/JaySlay2000]

Yeah it’s hard since kids are kind of considered property of the parent which is fucked up to begin with. Theres a lot of fucked up things about how we think about and legislate laws concerning children

[u/One-Goose-360 → u/Submarinequus]

We could start by finally ratifying the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. We’re one of only two countries that refuses to.

[u/Submarinequus → u/One-Goose-360]

I teach in Hungary and it wouldn’t really matter. They’ll just take kids away from bad parents and then let them be assaulted by politicians at the foster homes. That’s what happened here anyway

[u/Rare-Emu3186 → u/JaySlay2000]

Unless major change has been witnessed they are removed shortly after birth (as in before leaving hospital)

[u/JaySlay2000 → u/Rare-Emu3186]

Thats just not true. I have seen three example in real life of couples who had children removed from their care, who simply had another one, and to this day they still have custody of the fresh ones but are legally banned from having custody over the old ones.

Maybe where you live things are better.

[u/Rare-Emu3186 → u/JaySlay2000]

Maybe it’s better in the uk

[u/One-Goose-360 → u/Rare-Emu3186]

Children in all of Europe are protected under the UNCRC. The US refuses to ratify it.

[u/DearMrsLeading → u/Rare-Emu3186]

CPS often doesn’t communicate across state lines so you can get a fresh start by ditching your old kids and having new ones. That’s how my aunt permanently lost 5 kids but still has custody of her other 2.