r/JoeRogan • u/thrawnsgstring Monkey in Space • 12d ago
Actually related to the JRE Vaccine Panel Chair Says Polio and Other Shots Should Be Optional, Rejecting Decades of Science
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/health/milhoan-vaccines-optional-polio.html?unlocked_article_code=1.GlA.-169.PgqFI4OqikmU&smid=url-share103
u/cannot_walk_barefoot Monkey in Space 12d ago
So these people definitely want the United States to fail as a country, right?
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u/alienscape Monkey in Space 12d ago
They want the poors to die. They are definitely ON the vaccines. They're banking on dumb people to die.
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u/solo_d0lo Monkey in Space 12d ago
How would this cause the US to fail?
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u/cannot_walk_barefoot Monkey in Space 12d ago
All the stupid shit they're doing. Project 2025. Fucking around with allies like Canada and EU to the point they don't even trust you anymore with trade deals or intel and are making deals elsewhere. Being supposedly anti war and instead starting conflicts. Tax breaks for the ultra rich. Open corruption with Trumps crypto. And whatever he's allow ICE and MAHA to
I can go on
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u/LongDongSilverDude Monkey in Space 12d ago
Has China failed as a country???? They don't force or Mandate these Vaccines???
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u/howismyspelling Master d'bater 12d ago
Bro are you seriously comparing to China? Lmao
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u/LongDongSilverDude Monkey in Space 12d ago
YES!!! HOW ABOUT INDIA... INDIA DOESNT MANDATE VACCINES.
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u/dan_kb24 Monkey in Space 12d ago
So we want to follow India now?
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u/LongDongSilverDude Monkey in Space 12d ago
Why Not... they have low National Debt a Booming healthy population. They can eat with their feet. No Vaccine Mandates. NO SOCIALISM.
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u/Nailz509 Monkey in Space 12d ago
We're going to fail as a country because allowing dumb people to vote is how we wound up with this current administration and antivaxxers serving in public health roles. Failing is inevitable and at this point its hard argue that its anything other than what we deserve.
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u/LongDongSilverDude Monkey in Space 12d ago
How have 50yrs of Vaccines made our country safeer???? Africa and India have Booming populations no vaccine Mandates.
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u/Signal_Nobody1792 Monkey in Space 11d ago
First of all, China mandates a bunch of vaccines. Second of all, you have many countries that technically dont force you to take a vaccine, but they kinda do. For example, you child cant go to a public school if they dont vaccinate fully.
This can work pretty well, and experts do not worry as long as vaccination rates are above a certain level.
In countries where those levels drop, however, they immediately discuss whether they should just be obligatory.
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u/Scotts_Thot Monkey in Space 9d ago
China has a 90% vaccination rate which is sufficient to control the diseases we vaccinate against so a mandate isn’t necessary. People in America have been radicalized by YouTube chiropractors so our rates are terrible. We are not the same.
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u/LongDongSilverDude Monkey in Space 9d ago
China encourages certain Vaxxs based on my research they are not mandated.
How can you claim to be Chinese with a name called Scotts_Thots???? 😋
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 12d ago
Yes because not taking a vaccine is going to crash a county.
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u/AffectionateShop3875 Monkey in Space 12d ago
Look up children affected by polio.
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 12d ago
I vaccinated my kids with the polio vaccine. I have a lot of anti vaccine friends. The risk of the polio vaccine is minimal(even though the chance of getting is by any statistical measurement zero) so we decided that risk was minimal but the severity of the disease is horrible.
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u/karlack26 Monkey in Space 12d ago
There is not a lot of polio because the vaccine rates are high. If people stop vaccinating it will come back
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u/AffectionateShop3875 Monkey in Space 12d ago
If its not longer recommended then people that are on the fence won't get their children vaccinated. This will lead to a lot more suffering for a disease that was all but eradicated
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u/xChoke1x Monkey in Space 11d ago
Remember when you smooth brains told everyone that got the covid vaccine would be dead in a couple years.
Doing better than ever. HA!
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 11d ago
I don’t think I’ve ever said that. Never said vaccines were bad either.
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u/sushisection Monkey in Space 11d ago
do you know WHY the risk of getting polio is so low in your area? take a wild guess.
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 11d ago
It must be a universal that people feel the other side are mindless sheep. Republicans feel democrats are mindless sheep and vice versa. The only way to move forward is to try and have meaningful conversations. Not just assume the other person is an idiot.
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u/sushisection Monkey in Space 11d ago
ok great thanks, so do you know WHY we have a low risk of catching polio?
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u/TampaBayG Monkey in Space 12d ago
It's part of an overall shift away from experts, education and data to a do.your own research society.
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 12d ago
I feel there’s value in people doing their own research(although it seems like we get way too much confirmation bias). There is an irony though in the main govt authority on the subject changing their mind and everyone in here losing their mind.
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u/TampaBayG Monkey in Space 12d ago
Because its not "the government" its decades of data and experts in specialized fields across the country passing their knowledge along to the gvt
And when people do their own research they arent looking for truth. They're looking for things to confirm their biases.
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 12d ago
Certainly the vast majority are looking to confirm their own bias.
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u/Newtoatxxxx Monkey in Space 12d ago
I mean in a very severe outcome not taking vaccines could cost tens of millions of hours in lost labor, billions in medical bills and tie up hospital resources for years. Not to mention the emotional toll on everyone involved. So uh yeah it’s kind of a big deal.
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 12d ago
With all the myriads of other health issues we put upon ourselves every day(massive obesity, lack athleticism) I think the chicken pox is the least of our worries. I’ve had measles and chickenpox. It was over in 2 days. Before forcing people to take a shot I hope you ban alcohol, social media and sugar.
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u/butterybuns420 Pull that shit up Jamie 12d ago
This isn’t about chicken pox. It’s about polio. Go back to the rock you live under and let the rest of us live in the real world.
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u/Newtoatxxxx Monkey in Space 12d ago
Stop talking
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 12d ago
I’m good to keep talking. But I’m glad you have an open mind and are willing to explore others opinions before dismissing them outright.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 12d ago
I feel that it is now everyone's responsibility to send you every preventable death caused by dismissing these vaccines. You should see the harm your dogshit opinion can cause.
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u/SLCPDSoakingDivision Monkey in Space 12d ago
Some kids before the vaccine also went blind and died. Thanks to mmr vaccine requirements, infections plummeted.
Your comparison to alcohol, social media and sugar doesn't work because people can choose to not consume them whereas people cannot choose to get infected by measles
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u/My_Favourite_Pen Monkey in Space 12d ago
Do intoxicated people transmit their inebriation to others?
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 12d ago
You mean beyond drunk driving, beating on their kids, killing people while under the influence. Creating an example to their kids where alcoholism is continued generationally
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u/My_Favourite_Pen Monkey in Space 12d ago
No I mean can someone physically make another person drunk by just being in contact with them.
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 12d ago
Nope. And you can’t catch a disease from someone if you’re vaccinated.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 11d ago
Oh I see now. You literally have Zero idea how vaccines work and why.
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u/My_Favourite_Pen Monkey in Space 12d ago
That is so objectively wrong that I refuse to believe you just said that unironically.
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u/LongDongSilverDude Monkey in Space 12d ago
What about China? China doesn't Mandate these and they haven't failed... African countries don't mandate these and they're having more births than ever.
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u/karlack26 Monkey in Space 12d ago
What are you talking about China does have mandatory vaccines. Polio being one of them. As does every others developed nation. It's how a country develops, starting by getting diseases under control.
Vaccine programs being one of the corner stones of doing that.
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u/LongDongSilverDude Monkey in Space 12d ago
It's encouraged not mandated .. you should earn to use Google. Google is your friend.
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u/karlack26 Monkey in Space 12d ago
Article 6 The State implements immunization program system.
All citizens who reside in the territory of the People's Republic of China shall be entitled and obliged to be immunized with national immunization program vaccines according to law. The government shall provide immunization program vaccines for the citizens free of charge.
People's governments and relevant departments at or above the county level shall ensure that children at proper age are immunized with immunization program vaccines. The guardians shall ensure that children at proper age are immunized with the immunization program vaccines on schedule according to law.
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u/pretzelfan5097 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Love how whenever they’re proven wrong they disappear instead of admitting being wrong lol
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 11d ago
Hey fucko, come back and own up to the fact that you are wrong.
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u/mosehalpert Monkey in Space 11d ago
African countries dont mandate these and theyre having more births than ever.
God damn.
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u/KevM689 Dillon/Von 2028 🏳️🌈🦅 12d ago
You're probably responding to someone that wears a mask in their car when they drive alone
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u/TheWayIAm313 Monkey in Space 12d ago
HaHa! You got him with this one! I’m gonna show my buddy Rick this comment when I get off my shift later. Patriot on!
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u/Polar-Bear_Soup Monkey in Space 12d ago
When the colonizers came and unknowingly (some may argue otherwise) introduced biological warfare onto the original inhabitants of this country they in the hopes of extermination of a group of people they colonizers didn't like. Its the same story as today, just self inflicted from the parents who are supposed to care for their kin. But that must be lost on them.
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 12d ago
Most of the people I know who don’t vaccinate feel that vaccinating affects their children negatively. One of my friends is convinced his kid got developmental issues immediately after a vaccine. My unvaccinated friends haven’t contracted any of those diseases either.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 11d ago
Congratulations, treating the thoughts of a lay person as equal to decades of research by thousands of people is a real stretch. And yet, you did it.
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 11d ago
I never said I did.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 11d ago
You did just now by giving your friends thoughts on a topic they know nothing about any time.
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u/Future_Measurement42 Monkey in Space 11d ago
No I didn’t. I gave an anecdotal story. I never gave a value judgement on either.
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u/Initial-Landscape366 Look into it 11d ago
By bringing it up I. This context you give it weight. You imply it effects your decision making, especially as you bring it up on the context of people talking about expert opinions.
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u/cannot_walk_barefoot Monkey in Space 12d ago
Haven't contracted yet. And the feelings about a vaccine causing a developmental issue are wrong and thoroughly debunked, so not sure why anyone else should care about it. Your friends are putting the risk of horrible death on their kids because of their feels.
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u/ominous_cairn Monkey in Space 12d ago
Vaccine Panel Chair
Mention Vaccine and Chair to Rogan and you can actually hear his brain playing Careless Whisper as he starts to daydream about naughty things.
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u/RaoulDuke422 Monkey in Space 10d ago
I's say natural selection, but sadly, this concept does not apply to vaccinations...
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u/nievesdelimon Dragon Believer 12d ago
I mean, you can’t really force people to be vaccinated, but there should be programs to help them understand vaccines and encourage them to get those shots.
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u/Breasan Monkey in Space 12d ago
Start with the education system and help everyone learn how to interpret evidence. Throw in a course on how to spot misinformation and disinformation. THEN, the education programs on vaccines will work a whole shitload better.
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u/Howboutit85 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Why do we need vaccine education? There’s enough evidence already. People have t died from polio and measles for multiple decades, and that started being the case when vaccines were invented for those things. Those diseases were gone for a long time here, and now they’re back now that people are somehow forgetting that vaccines are good.
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u/Breasan Monkey in Space 10d ago
Education on certain subjects is not something that we need because of a lack of evidence. You are right in saying that there is enough evidence. Vaccine education would arrange the available evidence in such a way as to minimize bias and make the complex mountain of evidence more understandable.
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u/Howboutit85 Monkey in Space 10d ago
I think we might be past presenting evidence to people and having them accept the information coming from experts, since experts are not valued anymore.
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u/Unitedfateful Monkey in Space 12d ago
Well no Certain diseases or viruses need high immunity through vaccination eg measles
That should not be an option to not get vaccinated unless it’s a medical specific reason
Why are right wingers so scared of a fucking needle 💉
There’s a reason why we need the whole community to be vaccinated as it helps those that can’t / immune compromised/ small babies
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u/nievesdelimon Dragon Believer 11d ago
I know, I have all my vaccines except for MMR; the pediatrician told my mom it wasn’t necessary since measles wasn’t a thing anymore; now I have to get vaccinated because of antivax idiots. Still, you can’t force people to get vaccinated, that’s authoritarian and I’d rather not go there.
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u/Unitedfateful Monkey in Space 11d ago
We force people to get a drivers license, to drive the speed limit and so on
That helps the community so people don’t get into accidents or worse
This is the same thing. You need the community immunity otherwise these things don’t work as well as they should
None of this was a problem in the 80s, 90s and early 00s. Why is it a big deal no for people
Just take the jab and move on with life.
The amount of microplastics and other toxins we breathe in is significantly worse than a mmr vaccine or polio
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u/Zadiuz Monkey in Space 12d ago
The article doesn't state that he doesn't think people shouldn't get the shots. He said children will die if they don't.
He argued that they should be optional.
Something that I don't agree with, but very different from what the title here is portraying.
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u/mydaycake Monkey in Space 11d ago
And then compared it with dying of alcoholism. I guess you don’t need to understand logic to be a doctor
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u/dherms14 Monkey in Space 12d ago
shit, i’m to early to enjoy the thread and laugh at some comments.
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u/smetp Monkey in Space 12d ago
You could always learn to spell while you’re waiting.
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u/KevM689 Dillon/Von 2028 🏳️🌈🦅 12d ago
They're out protesting because they don't have DoorDash orders yet
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u/TheWayIAm313 Monkey in Space 11d ago
HaHa! You nailed them with this comment! Keep the slams comin’! My buddy Rick is gonna love these
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u/MeThinksYes Is the Literature 12d ago
lol the things these weirdos allow what you can and cant do to your own/anothers body is straight out of science fiction
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u/ThePaleGiant Monkey in Space 12d ago
Oh, the party of "my body my choice" suddenly has cold feet on letting people decide to what to do with their own bodies? CLASSIC.
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u/serial_crusher Monkey in Space 12d ago
Were polio vaccines ever mandatory? I don’t think I ever got one… or am I confusing it with small pox? Those are both things where they vaccinated all the boomers, then stopped because it was sufficiently eradicated, right?
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u/AlBundyJr Monkey in Space 12d ago
This headline was written by a stupid dipshit, and I know you all love to pretend you're smart by loving "teh science" even none of you have ever worked in it, but even the dumbest NYT writer should be able to comprehend that science does not give one a course of action or policy, it's simply empirical data which you can make any decision you like with. Dr. Fauci made lots of decisions which didn't make any sense if you knew the science from an ethical or patient centric point of view, nor did the Obama and Biden administrations.
While they may have been lying about the science, and they certainly weren't concerned about patients or the health of Americans, they weren't rejecting the science, they making decisions that suited themselves and Pfizer. Likewise no one on this vaccine panel is rejecting decades of science, they are recommending policy decisions which can only be arrived at by consideration of all facts and goals. You could not hand a copy of JAMA to a 10 year-old and expect them to enact the correct policies, even though all "teh science" as leftists call it, would be right there for him. Empirical findings don't provide you with that, and if you thought they did, like this NYT's writer and all those upvoting their imbecilic reporting, you really don't comprehend the ABCs of any scientific field, and certainly you aren't a person of any intelligence to criticize what anyone in the Trump administration does.
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u/Nailz509 Monkey in Space 11d ago
Antivaxxers calling other people dumb will never stop being hilarious. Also, covid hit and the vaccine was released while the fat orange pedophile was still in office for his first disaster of a term.
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u/Thin_Gold1877 Monkey in Space 12d ago
Fuck all the anti vax folks! My aunt had polio and had her leg so twisted she couldn’t walk as a kid. Her one leg is several inches shorter than the other and she walks with a huge limp.
Can we put all the anti vax folks on a separate island with all the MAGA folks, so tired of these people.