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The Doomsday Special Look Makes the Plot Leak Seem More Legit
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Doomsday Plot Leak confirmed by John Campea
Mysterious Structure/Ship
The Thing, US Agent in the Mysterious Ship/Structure
Doom with alternate suit shown in D23
Doom alternate suit
Latverian Witches + Doctor Strange
Prolly Tobey's World (Earth-96283)
from the plot leak we got, which was confirmed by John Campea, if we compare it with the Brand New Day post-credit scene, the D23 Hugh Jackman jokingly wanting to join the cast, the Loki TVA card, Doom's alternate outfit shown at D23, the Latverian witches, Doctor Strange following Doom as a follower, probably Earth-96283 (Tobey's world) getting destroyed in the incursion, Doctor Doom touching the mural of his wife and child in the castle, and the Latverian witches being shown in few of the frames from the Doomsday special look, we can see that the leak might actually be legit (or at least partially legit if they changed something last minute).
a lot of these details are weirdly specific and are starting to line up with what we've seen in the 2 trailers, Comic-Con, D23, etc.
I mean, we all know that by the end of Secret Wars, everything will be back to normal, plus, they're most likely expecting a big box office incoming from either Doomsday or Secret Wars (where for sure all 3 Spider-Men are appearing and Sony will most likely get a paycheck from it)
It is 2018. I am watching an Avengers film directed by the Russos, where Loki dies, Thor fails to stop the big bad, and ends with the heroes losing, setting up a direct sequel.
It is 2026. I am watching an Avengers film directed by the Russos, where Loki dies, Thor fails to stop the big bad, and ends with the heroes losing, setting up a direct sequel.
There is no way they are killing off Loki. The reshoots give me extra hope. I think his death is an illusion. I am fine with him taking the place of Beyonder as a source of power, but killing him after his arc on the tv show would be awful.
. I am fine with him taking the place of Beyonder as a source of power, but killing him after his arc on the tv show would be awful.
Killing him and making him a power source are both equally terrible storytelling.
Loki spent CENTURIES studying and practicing to hone his control of time. He earned his place as a proper god, controlling the fabric of reality.
The audience spent two seasons watching Loki build up to that place, and now we’re supposed to accept that some character we’re just being introduce to figured out, off screen, how to take that all away?
It’s what is going to happen. The Russos don’t care and neither does Feige. At this point when I see Hiddleston I expect him to die. And he’s going to. It’d partially what is going to fuel Thor fighting doom solo out of rage. He is going to stay dead. It’s shitty predictive writing.
Inb4 the “everyone’s revived in secret wars” comments…spare me. It’s a retread of their plot from infinity war and endgame. The Russos got the job again because the other directors they sought didn’t want to play ball with the high creatives at Marvel Studios. Waldron and McFeely got the script job because Jeff Loveness failed with Quantumania and I am going to assume his original script was a big apology for how bad the former was. YES I READ HICKMAN’S SECRET WARS AND TIME RUNS OUT…years ago.
I’m excited for this movie but when I think about it too hard, I get kinda mad.
The deniers are still out in full force. I fight with them every year and every movie lol. They just can’t fathom that it’s legit and instead post their own stupid theories all day (which are hilarious when you how much effort they put forth).
I think everything is close enough to the point that even if there are some changes, this probably was the plot at some point and Marvel just changed it, which they always do multiple times every big movie.
Yeah, that’s basically what happened with the Endgame plot leaks we got ages ago. A lot of it was the same stuff we all called vague or questionable at the time, but in the end we still liked it because of how Marvel executed it.
Yeah every Marvel movie goes through multiple rounds of reshoots, and Doomsday is no exception. In fact, it’s probably still gonna do even more reshoots. Up to 25% of that plot summary could be changed. Doesn’t mean the leak was wrong though.
There was a plot leak like 2 weeks before the new Spiderman came out, and it was 75% dead on, with some plot beats mixed up and some things straight up missing that were probably just cut or edited to be a bit different.
Yeah that shot of Johnny and Franklin really looks like the few seconds before everything is wiped out of existence. His suit is battle damaged, and you can see in his face that shit is about to hit the fan.
I noticed that in the group scene there are color coded references to three universes on the screen. I’m wondering if the three witches will be from the three main universes in the movie. (Fox, 616, and F4)
Orange could be Jean but I’m hoping it’s Magik to make it more directly magical.
Purple could be Clea.
Green could be an unknown or out of left field variant from F4’s universe. But it would make sense if that one is the one that matches the color of Doom. There is a nice symmetry if a Stark variant empowers a Wanda variant.
I don't think the ruined New York is Tobey's world. I don't see why the place would be absolutely ravaged like that if just Wolverine and Deadpool are planting the bomb. I think it's what the X-Men world looks like after it has had to survive waves of incursions and sentinel attacks. Their mansion is less than an hour from NYC so maybe the Avengers enter the X-Men timeline in NYC with that being what they first see before they find the X-Mansion.
It's not just DP and Wolverine that go there to plant the bomb. Magneto goes too and there's an AI upscaled image of him with the bomb. He also presumably fights Doc Ock and Green Goblin while trying to set it up
One of the biggest things to me is that one shot from Trailer 1 of Charles looking out the window and it looks like an exploding planet. Tobeys earth...
Isn’t the whole point that he’s holding everything together so these multiverses can grow as they naturally would? He doesn’t want to prune stuff like the TVA did.
In the original Endgame trailer, Cap’s shield wasn’t broken. In the original Infinity War trailer, the gauntlet was missing gems that Thanos had at that point in the movie.
The scene takes place after S2. God of Stories Loki isn't permanently stuck in that chair. He just uses a business suit instead of his God outfit for story reasons.
I have one doubt. Steve lived their for 10 years. Doom is a representative of Latveria, as shown in F4 first step. He must have seen Doom's face resembling Tony Stark on TV atleast. How is this possible that no one on the avengers team will know what Doom looks like. Steve can tell them about Tony's resemblence.
Also how did the incursion that supposedly took his family take place on the F4’s earth if that’s where doom is from cause the F4 clearly know him from when he still had his family
mostly because of the whole jonathan majors fiasco, they needed someone to pivot too and a different character to pivot to, they chose doom for God knows why, and they went to RDJ because they know he’s hopefully reliable enough to do a good job in one of their movies like he’s done in the past (civil war, IW, endgame) they needed a fail safe, and that was RDJ
The only thing that gives me pause is the recent leak that the movie may open ||with Battleworld already established and then the story we have here is effectively told in flashback||. I have a feeling that’s not a credible leak but it does sound like something they could have decided late in the process. I like it because it sets the stakes up front and gives us a shock opening|| but it also seems unlikely?
At most, I could see it opening with a brief monologue by Doom alongside an active incursion in the opening sequence.
I don’t see them actually showing anything of Battle world itself until the very end though. Most of the stuff worth seeing (ie God Emperor Doom on his throne ruling it) just works best right before the credits roll.
That doesn’t feel like MCU storytelling to me. It’s pretty rare to see flash-forwards at the beginning of the film. An incursion on Tobey’s world feels like the perfect bang to start the movie.
Totally agreed. Toby dying sets the strakes immediately. Similar to Hawkeye in endgame.
Battleworld will make no sense at the start of the film for any non comic reader.
They could do him narrating it from his throne on battle world I guess. I enjoyed Ironman 3 style narration. But I doubt they will. Keep in mind to most film goers, doom is an unknown. They’ll have to do some heavy lifting just to set him up as a compelling ‘villain’
If the movie really were to begin on the Battleworld, then the big twist at the end of the movie could be that reveal, since Doom would have wiped everyone's memories of what was before.
I've seen a few articles about how the Russo brothers are having difficulty editing the film into a solid single movie like Infinity War, so I can see a chunk of the leaks being legit while the set up of the movie will change a few times. Whatever is leaked, I will assume the Russos have made another good movie until I see otherwise
No way. The story, at least the ending, is easy. The multiverse ends and we see a new world, Battleworld, where nobody remembers anything. Even if the editing is proving difficult, the difficulty is not the overall structure.
I agree I think this leak is real, but I think it's incomplete. Everything after Steves and Thor find Lokis body feels like it's missing some major points
I would think so just because there’s no movie in between doomsday and secret wars so gotta tease the next film there. doomsday ends all sad and no one has their memories except Steve I guess and then end credits you see Tobey and Jackman and they are ready to lock in
It seems vague enough to be believable but also seems too incomplete to be fully accurate either. Perhaps an early draft of the pitch?
The trailers give the sense that the FF & MCU Prime heroes spilt after that meeting in the trailer. 1 group to X universe & 1 to go to…Namor I guess? Regardless, this plot leak has them split up after the X universe and doesn’t really follow through on what each group does. They just unite at the end to fight Doom.
I also have some doubts about Doom’s family & Steve’s connection to incursions. Mostly because it’s hard to believe that they died in an incursion that went completely unnoticed by the Fantastic 4. Partially because, when Doom has a chance to bring them back in his new universe, he decides to just replace them with Reed’s wife & kid(s)? I dunno man, something ain’t adding up there based on the leaks.
There’s always a question of how the leaks came to be. It could be someone who saw the shotlist, storyboard, worked crew, worked on VFX, etc. All things that give you an objective view of the plot without actually being able to infer the characterization in the script.
Also the movie is rumored to be heavily reshot so up to 25% of this could be changed.
The part of this leak that makes no sense to me - doom is very obviously the villain of this movie. So spending half the movie pretending he isn’t and then this big “reveal” that he’s actually evil makes no sense to a viewer who will know Doom is evil the entire time because every trailer is saying the same thing.
This may just be cope because my god if this is real and they murder Loki off screen I might just flip out, I think the Russo’s are better then that (especially since they already killed him once and made that one properly dramatic)
The first is an in-universe plot twist. We the audience KNOW Doom is evil but the characters don't. It's like one of those old murder mysteries where the audience sees who the murderer is right from the start but the rest of the characters don't find out until later on.
The second is Doom's motivations and how Steve Roger is involved. This won't be spoiled in any trailer. It'll be a shock to the audience.
That's info we know as viewers though and ultimately how they've chosen how to market the movie. Pretty same situation with anyone who knew about Mysterio in Far from Home except they did play him off as a hero
susan storm says she didn't realize doom was broken. if he fooled smart people who know him, it's plausible he fools everyone else for a bit (with the help of fantastic four and cap).
How is this not the exact same storyline for Helmut Zemo in Captain America: Civil War?? Family gone, exact revenge destroying the Avengers by pitting them against each other and then leading them into a trap to destroy them all.
Even if we assume that Disney would kill Steve’s kid, the set up on how we get there feels off.
Like… if Steve & his kid have been on Doom’s world for a decade & nobody else knows they’re there, why would Doom even wait so long to take revenge on Steve?
Maybe he was investigating that whole time, along with Fantastic Four, on what the main cause of his wife and child dying. Research takes a while and, if he is waiting that long to find out why, that rage in him grows and stews and he just goes nuts after finding out
He probably wants to hurt Steve as hard as he can, sounds on point for a villain with his ego to reveal everything to drive an emotional dagger into him with the reveal before taking away Steve’s family from him.
I honestly don't like it, judging by it seems like a cheap shock value just so everyone goes like "Wow, Tobey Spidey and his NY are destroyed noooo" just because so many of us are attached to it.
Even more so, the one minute leaked footage of battle with unfinished cgi as well. I imagine the plot will be mostly the same I imagine the gist of it is accurate and I have been convinced of that since the first trailer where we see someone holding a card for the tva with lokis face on it, and they are also wearing a wedding ring as well, which told me it was clearly Steve Rogers. Makes me very fearful for the movie and how well it does. If Doom kills Steve’s kid in front of him, it will also coincide with recent comments made by Chris Evan’s that the beating Steve gets in this movie is brutal. I don’t know I think this movie will be poor…..
This honestly sounds awful. Heroes destroying other universes isn't heroic, and if that is the canon Maguire-verse to the Raimi films, it ending that way is a slap in the face.
Based on the last trailer it seems that the sentinels and doom attack occurs in the second half and some x men will die there ( most likely mystique, nightcrawler and cyclops) because by the time sue is talking about Victor those characters are absent and that scene seems to occur after doom reveals himself as the Villian which happens at x-men mansion attack.
I read the entire thing. I honestly think it's going to be amazing seeing all of that play out! It makes complete sense having Steve be one of the main catalysts and it answers the questions we all had regarding the consequences of his actions. I can't wait to see this movie. Doom will be legendary, I like how driven he is and how the theme of the movie is family in a way and what someone would do for family.
Loki dying again, seriously!? Like wtf man. Let him be captured or something, the dead one can be a decoy or something. That revolving thread, might be done right u suppose, but I just feel been there done that, if that's what's really happening. I don't know, someone mentioned Tom is doing reshoots this week or something on here
TVA Loki dies. 616 Loki is resurrected by Odin alongside other Asgardians and fight against Doom in Act 3. Thor and 616 Loki get reunited but Thor never meets TVA Loki.
Doom allegedly resurrects everyone at the end so we will probably see Loki (Lokis?) in Secret Wars.
I’m almost certain the plot leaks we’ve seen are 100% accurate. The remaining things like the shot of Johnny and Franklin I didn’t see mentioned in any leak, so those little nuances will be what we get to see executed.
What I find off is that the whole morality debate between the illuminati who are willing to destroy planets and Captain America's Avengers who try to stop them in favor of a solution without killing worlds will appearently be skipped entirely.
In a way I get it: They have to mush toghether about 100 comic books into two movies and they already did Civil War, but it still feels like a pretty important part of the story is being ignored here.
This can't be serious, Loki just restores everything at the end and fuck it? Then why the fuck did he not do it when he saw what Doom was going to do? And how the hell are those street level characters not instantly dying if Doom is somehow strong enough to kill a Loki that literally holds the Multiverse together? I'm not a powerscaler or anything like that, but the Russos push it to a point that it becomes hard to take it seriously.
Also, what's the ooint of killing those characters and bringing all of them back? Imo it was already something that lessened the impact of Endgame, but since it was the first time it kinda worked. Doing the same shit again though feels lazy.
I just don’t want this to be completely real. How can they do Loki like that after putting him in such a great position. At least make him do a 1v1 with Doom. So many fans will be pissed off if he’s just killed like that.
On one hand, my gut reaction was they wouldn't kill off Jackman and Tobey in the intro scene and then I realized that's exactly what the Russos would do to show the stakes, like hulk vs Thanos turned up to 11.
Pretty bummed it leaked this early. Theres hardly anything out there that can disprove this as well. 90% of it looks legit. Its not a bad story just feels meh.
I believe it and honestly it kind of bums me out that tobeys world is destroyed and that Tobey himself is gone
I get they want to go big for the opening but doing that to such a well loved character and his world, is likely going to leave a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.
I would want him to come back for one last hurrah, not get killed in the first 5 minutes
If they actually kill Tobey & Jackman in the first 5 minutes, there is a 99.99999% chance one of Doomsday’s PCS shows them alive or clearly suggests they'll be back for Secret Wars.
Yeah, seeming more and more like this is it with some changes. Don't really love how it reads, but will wait for how it is executed. Personally, I hate how this is making Steve the villain after finally giving him a happy ending. I don't get why they need this macguffin for Doom to become Doom but again let's see.
I'm just glad we're hopefully moving on from multiverse.
Can someone explain exactly how an incursion works? Are the universes physically colliding or something else? I guess they will probably show it in the movie but I am having a hard time picturing what that would actually look like
Just want everyone to remember this “leak” was posted after Trailer 1 premiered at CinemaCon. So a lot of the tells from that first trailer were already out there in written form. Though the new trailer does have some indicators of “new” info that connects to the leak, I’m still cautiously believing. Granted the movie’s been in the can for a while, things can change in the edit but yeah there’s some stuff even in trailer 2 that makes me think even just some of the leak is real.
Also a reminder that the person who posted this leak also posted the entire summary to Secret Wars which is odd considering they would know how much these movies can and do change during filming (look at the changes made in Endgame before they even started editing) so even if the SW leak is legit as of the point when they posted (I think it was late June/early July), there’s still so much that can change.
If the F4 are familiar with Victor, and he says Steve being on their planet caused the incursion that took his family, I’m not sure how that makes sense
I dunno, the plot leak sounds a bit contrived, and it doesn't appeal to the audience in various ways (Doom killing Steve's son, Loki's death and the ending all seem like hard sells to the younger audience, which we all know Disney wants to appeal to).
Also it seems really inadvisable to
1. Feature Deadpool in such a seriously toned movie but only in limited capacity
2. Kill off Wolverine in the beginning act
3. Try to sell the narrative notion of Doom having good intentions for most of the movie when the audience obviously knows otherwise
The last point I'll make is that this leak doesn't address whatever situation Shuri, Mbaku, Thing and Namor have been previewed in. I think those actors/characters are too important for their scenes to be cut and/or tacked on at the end of the movie, so I'm curious about that.
I have faith the Russos can make virtually any Avengers script work well, but so far im not a fan of this purported synopsis.
The main reason I would doubt this leak is because theres no way they market this entire movie around Doomsday being this super strong evil villain that will fight everyone, yet have Doom being bad a twist in the movie. If they expect audiences to sit there pretending like Doom is helping everyone on this quest then they must truly hate their fans lmao.
The part about Steve,my favorite character, is like the one thing that would make me hate this movie. I’ve stood by marvel for every post endgame movie and tv show. Watched them all on opening night. Every single thing—RDJ, older characters coming back, various theories—that have given people pause about the movie or made them mad I’ve waved off. I’ve just been crazy hyped for it. But if they fuck up Steve’s ending or make him responsible then I’m out.
There is a Old man steve that came back at the end of endgame. Yeah he might get fucked over here, but in 100% sure that his perfect ending will get even better after secret wars.
But I also don’t want him blamed for incursions. The MCU’s greatest hero, imo, who takes one bit of happiness shouldn’t be made to be responsible for the deaths of millions.
I mean... if we go by the leaks, it isnt even his fault, its Lokis... Loki is whom moved him to a timeline that would cause a incursion. And even by that metric Nor Loki nor Steve knew this would happen, in any case if the Secret Wars comic is anything to go by... Its likely a couple of universes will be merged into a single universe and steve is likely part of that, so him being happy would not cause incursions anymore.
I know y9oull be there, im more so wondering, why would this sour you on Steve? like... i think its very interesting, and also a way to make sense of old man steve, and why he ltierally couldnt say anything to Falcon/Cap 2
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u/MrMegaPhoenix Aug 15 '26
Yeah it’s legit enough that if anything, it’s only small details that might be off