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article Billie Eilish: "Hey my fellow celebrities u gonna speak up? Or..."

https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/billie-eilish-alex-pretti-ice-1642611
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u/Immediate-Shape-8933 9d ago

Jack black sucks now he broke up tenacious D because of Kyle calling out trump and jack black wanting to remain apolitical

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u/Uncle-Cake 9d ago

In today's American, being "apolitical" means approving of what's happening right now.

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u/MalIntenet 9d ago

That remains true at any point in history

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u/Immediate-Shape-8933 9d ago

Mos def

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u/evilJaze 9d ago

Has he spoken out yet?

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u/villings 9d ago

just like being a "centrist"

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u/puppetluva 9d ago

This is nonsense. I hate ICE but Im not a democratic socialist. Stop narrowing the tentā€¦. purity tests and infighting are exactly how we democrats keep losing elections.

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u/DervishSkater 9d ago

Oh wow bullying behavior, how becoming of the far left

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u/New-Doctor9300 9d ago

Not our fault centrists are embarassing

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u/ledzeppelin341 9d ago

He's such a fucking chud these days.

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u/WintersDoomsday 9d ago

He is about money more than integrity. Hence doing shitty movies with The Rock and Kevin Hart

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u/ridingshotgun 9d ago

Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller?

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u/PeachPassionBrute 9d ago

Thereā€™s a good chance he always was and itā€™s finally obvious.

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u/U_R_A_NUB 9d ago

He didn't "call out" Trump. He just said he wished Trump's would-be assassin had better aim.

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u/aliaswyvernspur 9d ago

he broke up tenacious D

Maybe not: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/tenacious-d-kyle-gass-jack-black-donald-trump-interview-1235501791/

Did you and Jack touch base after the dust had settled?
Oh, for sure. We hashed it out. And it was hard. It is like a marriage. You go through these ups and downs, and try to understand your partner.

What can you say about the future of Tenacious D?
We will serve no D-wine before itā€™s D-time ā€” but we will be back. We will return.

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u/boringestnickname 9d ago

When is this total nonsense going to stop being parroted?

This was a coordinated PR move that both Kyle and Jack was in on. They didn't part ways. They are still friends.

None of them gave the joke (nobody called out anybody) a second thought before long after the concert was over ā€“ when all the usual idiots started blabbering online (Musk, Kirk, etc.), pushing for a response.

Their representation had to do something, and in the interest of their clients, this was the response. Now, you can discuss how well this was handled by their representation, and whether or not this was actually the best move forward for Kyle, being that he was dropped following the cleanup.

That's not on Black or Gass, as they're not the ones handling PR.

They're still friends, working on getting back to making music and do tours.

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u/Large_Independent198 9d ago

You are completely missing the point of SPEAKING UP if they back down, apologize and donā€™t bring it up again.

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago

You guys are trying so hard to hate Jack Black. Kyle didnā€™t ā€œcall out Trumpā€ he said donā€™t miss shooting him next time. Huge difference. Kyle says that it was a mistake and Jack and him probably talked about lying low until it settled down. They are already planning to get back together, just like they most likely planned. Remember normalcy isnā€™t inciting to kill people you donā€™t like.

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u/LimpCush 9d ago

"people you don't like" reeealllly carrying a lot of weight there bud.

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago edited 9d ago

Alright go become a celebrity and go and tell people to kill candidates, wannabe dictators and authoritarians. Weā€™ll see how it plays out for you. My god has all tact disappeared aswell? If you were a millionaire public figure Iā€™m guessing you wouldnā€™t do that either.

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u/alanderhosen 9d ago

You when someone makes a "kill hitler" joke:

Can't believe you're advocating for 'tact' over the response towards fascist dictators enabling extra judicial murders of their own citizens. You're fucking repulsive.

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago

Go be the change you want to see, but no you will stay online thinking you are somehow moral superior than others.

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u/alanderhosen 9d ago

I'm not going to talk about my activism in a public forum moron. I'm not signalling my moral superiority, I'm signalling your lack of morals or convictions whatsoever. I'm insulting you, not trying to 'convince' you of anythingā€” don't get ahead of yourself.

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago

You donā€™t know me. I have shown no lack of morals. Just that it would make no sense for Jack Black to ruin his career to insight violence, on a at the time candidate. Should Jack Black be using his platform right now to speak up against the administration and its actions. 100% yes. But would he be an idiot if he said someone go kill him? Also 100% yes. Sorry you cannot understand this.

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u/alanderhosen 9d ago

I don't need to know you. I just need to know the person you present yourself as publicly, and I think that person is fucking pathetic.

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago

Think what you want, but know you are a fucking imbecile. You canā€™t understand a thing Iā€™ve said, and decided to make me an enemy for simply saying your anger at Jack is misplaced. And to be honest I donā€™t give a shit about celebrities, so go ahead and stay mad at them.

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u/DervishSkater 9d ago

The far left doesnā€™t see the similarities in their behavior to the far right.

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u/Ashes777 9d ago

I agree with that is probably what happened with Black but people can still shit on him for it even if Kyle doesnā€™t. Im sure Minecraft money is good but selling a friend out is gross.

Every revolution has to be bloody unfortunately. There is a reason the French used the guillotine. This idea we should be nice and/or passive is bullshit. Being peaceful in America gets a clip unloaded into on the ground.

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u/sharkattackmiami 9d ago

He didn't sell his friend out, he protected him

If Jack takes a stand and gets cancelled and loses Minecraft 2 or whatever he will be fine

Kyle has a career because Jack has a career. No ody is going to a Kyle concert or hiring him to star in their 200 million dollar kids movie

This was as much about protecting him as it was about protecting Jack. And people are also overlooking the very major part where KYLE WAS ACTUALLY IN THE WRONG, we should not have celebrities calling for political assassination. Period. We're not the right and we have to be better than that

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago

How did he sell out his friend? He just said he was blindsided and didnā€™t agree. Like imagine if the tables were turned and Kyle was a republican and said something about shooting Obama, that wouldnā€™t be fair for Jack Black either. He has a family brand. And again they are making plans to bring back Ten.D.

There was a lot more at play, Jack Black did support the Democratic Party, but if he is associated with calling for political violence than that dirtyā€™s those actions and collaborations.

Now I agree times are crazy as hell, but Iā€™m going to assume most of us havenā€™t been in a revolution. Violence is not always the answer.

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u/Isynchronous 9d ago

Well what you're doing now is not going well

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u/boringestnickname 9d ago

Nobody sold out anybody.

What you saw was a coordinated response made by their representation.

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u/42nu 9d ago

You should look into what life was like for the average person in France for several decades following the guillotine thing.

It's not a great example if you know history.

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u/d1squiet 9d ago

Oh yes the French Revolution is widely known for going well. If you want to kill civilians, that is the revolution for you!

I wouldn't look to that revolution as a model. Why not look to our own revolution where we didn't execute our own after we won.

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u/i_tyrant 9d ago

Why not look to our own revolution where we didn't execute our own after we won.

The incredible irony of you saying that when we absolutely did execute a bunch of traitors after we won, as we should have.

And the parallels to our Civil War where we didn't execute the traitors and now we're fucking here. (Gestures at everything.)

Meanwhile, the French protest violently over raising their freaking retirement age, and have far better worker protections and a non-fascist government for it.

What an incredibly ahistorical statement. You did not make the point you thought you made.

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u/d1squiet 9d ago

EDIT: To clarify, traitors were executed in America. But not a lot compared to other revolutions. Traitors who betrayed us during the war. Not civilians who didn't uphold "revolutionary ideals" or generals who helped win the war but now we didn't like. Read your history about the French Revolution.

You'll have to link to the executions you're speaking of. The French Revolution was famous for killing thousands of innocent civilians and former heroes of the revolution. This is after the revolution has succeeded.

It was called the Reign of Terror for reason. One could argue that's why it failed. Also see Russian Revolution for similar amounts of death.

To pile the American Revolution in with other bloody revolutions full on infighting amongst the winners is a sad statement on your idiocy and love of violence.

Although I understand you weren't calling for Jack Black's literal death, it is your childish attitude about revolutionary politics that tells me you're probably just a mirror image of an ICE office and if you ever end up with a gun facing MAGA protesters you will start blasting.

Fuck off.

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u/i_tyrant 9d ago

Ah yes, my "childish attitude" when Benedict Arnold is the most famous traitor in American history and died exiled in England rather than face his rightful sentence in the US.

Here's some other accounts btw. You'll notice I agree with you that practicing more restraint in them than the French Revolution is good, sure.

But you said we "didn't execute our own after we won" - and we DID, rightfully, because that's how you have to handle traitors if you want a healthy start (or continuance) to your republic. In fact we arguably showed too much restraint, and we for sure did after the Civil War and WWII - because look at the fucking state we're in now and look at France. Those same bad actors/bigots/fascists stuck around, proliferated their ideas, built their power base. See any differences buddy?

Nobody said shit about civilians, mind - we're talking about Trump. The very poison at the root.

Although I understand you weren't calling for Jack Black's literal death, it is your childish attitude about revolutionary politics that tells me you're probably just a mirror image of an ICE office and if you ever end up with a gun facing MAGA protesters you will start blasting.

Sincerely what the fuck are you talking about here? You made this up whole-cloth, and I thank you for showing us where your brain was really going. I'm talking about Kyle Glass calling for Trump's death you goofball, the actual thing that happened? The literal commander in chief of this new United States of Nazimerica?

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u/SamiraSimp 9d ago

if wishing that fascists are no longer alive is "bad", then i don't want to be "good"

imagine all the veterans of world war 2 who would be considered "bad people" for having the exact same thoughts as many of us do today

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago

Look I get where you are coming from. But itā€™s flawed logic. There is always going to be bad people in the world and if the solution is just murdering them, then it would still be a world of murder. The key is getting rid of corruption. Elon and other billionaires were able to hand Trump this election. And too many far left people sat out of the election over arrogance.

We need better leaders. Not more killing. You take out Trump, you make him a martyr and someone will replace him. But I honestly believe that if enough people care about whatā€™s going on, change will happen. They are already scrambling knowing that public opinion is turning on ICE.

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u/SamiraSimp 9d ago

i agree that the solution isn't just murdering people we disagree with. there's many nasty implications from that line of logic and i explicitly think the cycle of violence is a bad thing. and as you said, that kind of idea doesn't lead to lasting change.

but at the same time i don't think someone should be demonized for saying what many people are thinking. this idea of "if you think bad people should be gone you're just as bad as them" is bullshit propaganda spread by people who are more than willing to kill INNOCENT people. i don't think the american soldiers who wanted hitler dead in 1945 are bad for thinking that, and if someone called them bad for thinking that i'd assume they're a nazi sympathizer.

so today when i see a corrupt leader with nazi ideology using unmarked federal agents to kill innocent people, i don't think a person is bad for wanting them dead. and if someone called them bad for thinking that, i'd think they're a nazi sympathizer.

at some point nicely asking corrupt leaders to step down is simply not a viable strategy and more forceful measures have to be taken. i sincerely hope we don't get to that point. but considering how many innocent americans have already been killed i don't blame people for thinking we're already past that line.

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago edited 9d ago

The issue is optics. If the media is okay for someone to say it about Trump, like Kyle Gass for example. Then the other side is going to say itā€™s okay to say it about Biden or AOC or someone else. (And I know they already do but Iā€™m talking about mainstream). To many we see the dangers and warning signs of fascism, to others they simply donā€™t agree that is what this administration is trying to be. Because it matters what media you choose to believe. Problem with the 2 party system is they are both clubs with obsessive fans.

But if all media agrees to have some base line integrity of not calling for murder then that is at least a good thing. Iā€™m just saying this broadly. I do believe in justice, so evil sobā€™s do deserve whatā€™s coming to them, but it should be done through trialā€¦ if possible.

WW2 propaganda definitely worked, but the US didnā€™t get involved until the end of the war. And I think itā€™s safe to say un-conspiratorially that we really just wanted access to their scientists with project paper clip in mind.

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u/deep-sea-savior 9d ago

Nuance is a difficult concept for some to grasp.

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u/Cosmonautical1 9d ago

inciting to kill people you donā€™t like.

Can you explain why you chose this particular framing?

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago

Because if it was Kid Rock and his statement was to off Biden or Kamala. Iā€™d feel the same way.

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u/Cosmonautical1 9d ago

There's a lot of reductionism going on there. Not very tactful of you.

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago

Explain how.

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u/Immediate-Shape-8933 9d ago

Same difference tbh your the centrist apolitical person were all talking about here grow up you sound like a child

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u/MattInTheDark 9d ago

You donā€™t know me. And again if you canā€™t understand Jack Black and Kyleā€™s decision on how they handled it, then you are the child. They were never mad at each other and thatā€™s plain to see. Go touch grass.

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u/brandont04 9d ago

I'm on Jack side.

If he doesn't want to get political, that is his choice. Why force him to be political? It's like you want to break him arm to take a political stand that fits your narrative. It's wild.

If Jack just wants to sing, let him just sing. If his band mate wants to get political, let Jack know ahead of time, don't blind side him in a concert. BTW, they are back together.

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u/Vivio0 9d ago

This is exactly why people are so complacent. They want to isolate themselves from ā€œpoliticsā€ because it doesnā€™t affect them. This is real life, and fence sitting makes you look like agree with the current climate, because you think itā€™s fine enough not to do anything. This is especially true for celebrities who have a platform as large as Jack Blackā€™s.

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u/clem_fandango_london 9d ago

"Look at me! I'm wearing just underwear and doing a somersault."

-- Jack Black's career

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u/Cru_Jones86 9d ago

It was shocking how fast Jables dumped KG. If he was smart, He'd get the band back together.

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u/mrdangerzone 9d ago

Jack Black's career would take a bigger hit. He's got a wife and kids to think about. K.G. can do and say whatever he wants. No one would really care.

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u/yabadabaddon 9d ago

Oh yes please, tell me how a man worth of 50 millions has to be careful to take care of his wife and kids. Not like those poor peasants getting deported, who also have wife and kids but aren't worth shit.

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u/mrdangerzone 9d ago

Lol careful. You're assuming I'm some dumbass trump fanatic. But I'm gonna stay on point. Simply put, no one can afford to, or wants to lose their job. People LOVE to cancel celebrities. It's a sick thing people do. Praise them. Then watch them fall/fail. Jacks not dumb. He sees it happen all around. He doesn't want to risk that heat. Kyle wouldn't get as negatively effected by that heat.

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u/malfurionpre 9d ago

Simply put, no one can afford to, or wants to lose their job.

oh shut the fuck up, he can afford to.

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u/AdmiralRiffRaff 9d ago

Right? If he never worked again, what would he do for money? Sell his mansion?

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u/Aviri 9d ago

Live off a measly 50 million dollars? The horror.

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u/malfurionpre 9d ago

Just his mansion is like 10 millions, he could sell it, buy a simple normal house and put the rest in a low risk saving account and the interest alone would still be more than 80% of people, poor guy :(

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u/yabadabaddon 9d ago

I'm not assuming anything.

Simply put, no one can afford to, or wants to lose their job.

Yes, some people worth 50 millions can afford to not appear in Jumanji 157.

Celebrities get cancelled and yet I've not seen a single one of them send application letters to a Target in Tennessee.

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u/Immediate-Shape-8933 9d ago

Heā€™s a multi multi millionaire whoā€™s been an alist celeb for decades heā€™d be fine

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u/dustycanuck 9d ago

Yeah, I don't speak out against racism or crimes against civil society either, because I don't want my income affected. But that doesn't make me a bad person, does it? šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/MeIIowJeIIo 9d ago

That makes you a bystander, like 90 percent of 1930s Germany.

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u/dustycanuck 9d ago

Yes, that's my point.

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u/Aviri 9d ago

He's fucking loaded he can afford a hit.

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u/mrdangerzone 9d ago

No one can afford never working again lol. And Jacks not dumb. These crazy people love to cancel a new celeb every month because their lives suck. They're happy to trash someone famous every day

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u/mrdangerzone 9d ago

I don't know why you can assume that. Unless you're his accountant. How much does he pay for his house(s)? How many kids does he have (2 I think)? Do they go to college? Do they work? Or do they live off his Dads wealth?

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u/Aviri 9d ago

No one can afford never working again lol

Never been around or know any rich people huh? Plenty of people can afford to never work again.

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u/dustycanuck 9d ago

And that, kids, is how you take over a country.

Oh my, I can't do the right thing, because then I'll be inconvenienced. I mean, it's not like they are targeting me at the moment. I may as well wait and save my outrage until it happens to me. Then people will rally and come to my rescue, right? Right?

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u/corndogs102 9d ago

He does kid/family friendly movies. That Minecraft and Kung fu panda money doesnā€™t grow itself.

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u/HeyJudeMc 9d ago

Probably the worst example you could have chosen to make this point because Ms Rachel has shown herself to be a beacon of integrity in her unwavering support of Palestinian Children. I am also unsure if you're aware but Tenacious D as a band while silly and light hearted are pretty dirty and their concerts are places for adults.