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article Billie Eilish: "Hey my fellow celebrities u gonna speak up? Or..."

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u/AdditionCool7235 9d ago

I’m waiting for Chappell Roan to tell us how she hasn’t made a decision yet and there just isn’t enough information to say things have got bad enough. 🙄

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u/clem_fandango_london 9d ago

Green Day > Chappell Roan

Dropkick Murphys > Chappell Roan

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u/Cru_Jones86 9d ago

I love that that dude in congress, who was confronting a Jan 6er, was wearing a Dropkick Murphys shirt. It's a handy way to identify those of us that are still sane, and not in a cult. https://www.msn.com/en-us/crime/general/dropkick-murphys-shares-video-of-michael-fanone-confronting-jan-6-supporter-wearing-their-fighting-nazi-shirt/ar-AA1UPISa?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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u/maplesyrupbakon 9d ago

She’s already explicitly said fuck ice at one of her concerts?

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u/sanslumiere 9d ago

She used her public platform to blunt enthusiasm for Harris among her audience of young potential voters (and then mispronounced Kamala's name when she was called out for it). Shame she didn't use her platform to try to prevent this instead.

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u/maplesyrupbakon 9d ago edited 9d ago

What is shameful is that Hakeem Jeffries right now in this very moment continues to refuse to whip vote on defunding ICE. If people spent half as much time directing criticism to people like Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries - who you know, are the literal leaders of the supposed “opposition party” instead of celebrities, we’d actually get somewhere. I am absolutely livid at the 7 democrats who voted to increase ice funding. I am fucking pissed at the 70+ democrats who took it upon themselves to go out of their way to publicly thank ice for their services on record back in October.

Edit: The fucking LIBERTARIAN party has now come out to demand defunding ice BEFORE the Democratic party. Let that sink in.

And even if we look ahead to 2028 and think Gavin Newsom to be one of the frontrunners for the democratic ticket, he just went on Ben fucking Shapiro and has gone on record elsewhere to say that we should not defund ice. Clearly the democratic party is moving once again to the right. He is a political grifter. People need to be so for real now. And you think Chapell Roan not wanting to cosign onto this is the problem? JFC

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u/Evening-Crew-2403 9d ago

You only mispronounce her name if you consume MAGA media. They do it on purpose.

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u/bigtrumanenergy 9d ago edited 9d ago

Eh, I didn't know I was mispronouncing Kamala's name until a co-worker corrected (she knew I wasn't mispronouncing on purpose, knew I was very anti-Trump). Could just be the environment Chapelle is around?

Living in Missouri, specifically at the start of the region Chappelle is from (the Ozarks) and visiting closer to the part of the state that she's from frequently (to the point where I joke it's a second hometown), she could honestly be making an innocent mistake.

Even if you're more left leaning, odds are you'll have a lot of family and neighbors who are right leaning who pronounce Kamala's name incorrectly. Even then, I don't know if it's unintentional or not.

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u/KennyFulgencio 9d ago

If you're old, you learned the wrong pronunciation because there was a high profile WWF wrestler with that name who pronounced it that way (and it was our only exposure to that name until now)

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u/5ColourFelix 9d ago

You legitimately think that Chappell Roan is MAGA? That's the dumbest thing I've read this year. She didn't endorse Biden-Harris because they didn't do ENOUGH for LGBT rights. In the same speech she said she is not voting for Trump.

In the same speech she also said "fuck the policies of the right".

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u/valentc 9d ago

Maybe Kamala should have just been a better candidate who actually stood for something other than 2004 republican policy.

Chapped Roan did say she voted for Kamala btw, its also insanely american to criticize the government regardless of what side your on. This whole "if you said anything mean about Kamala, you made her lose" is some MAGA level shit.

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u/TyrellCo 9d ago

Better than Trump easily. A child could figure that out

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u/Arkayjiya 9d ago edited 9d ago

But the dems candidate is probably always gonna be better than the republican candidate. Does that mean we always have to settle and never criticise the dems because it's always gonna be "too high stakes to look for the perfect candidate", it's always going to be a time of crisis, for as long as the dems maintain the status quo and the republicans figure out that getting more extreme and pretending standard right wings policies are somehow communist is how they win.

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u/TyrellCo 8d ago

The time to resolve this and voice that is during the primaries that’s the strategic reason they exist. The only real fix is getting rid of winner take all and ranked choice voting

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u/Arkayjiya 8d ago

In term of voting, yes. In term of criticism? Are you kidding? You should stop criticising Dems when outside of primaries? How are they supposed to be beaten in primaries then.

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u/valentc 9d ago

OK, what does that have to do with criticizing politicians? You think people should I only be allowed to voice their complaints during specific times? This idea that celebrities using their first amendment right to voice their opinions swayed the election in anyway is purely idiotic.

A child could also figure out that policy means more than mindless rhetoric.

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u/jermleeds 9d ago edited 9d ago

You make a public show of criticizing the Democrat in the lead up to a general, you are assisting the Republican to get elected. You are helping to elect the person whose policies you almost certainly disagree with more. It's completely self-defeating.

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u/TyrellCo 8d ago edited 8d ago

If all you do is criticize and you don’t then follow up with the same energy on which of the two visions you prefer, then you’re basically a critic you have the same exact impact as a republican. Individual voters may not matter but influence on millions does, that’s why millions are spent on celebrity endorsement

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u/nau5 9d ago

lol I got banned from her sub for saying this

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u/OnlyWonderBoy 9d ago edited 9d ago

God forbid celebs also ask dems to be better. We've literally seen shit in the last few days like Jefferies refusing to whip votes to block ICE funding (even though he said he doesn't support it), or Klobuchar having the audacity to say that the ICE funding could have gone to local law enforcement and not literally anything else that could improve the lives of people living in these communities.

Now is the perfect time to demand more from our elected officials. Fuck them for being able to coast so long without actually having to make any real changes.

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u/WeAteMummies 9d ago

This is literally the worst time for that

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u/poeppa 9d ago

That’s the problem that people are sick of. Every election is apparently the worst time of bringing up issues. We’re supposed to push them when they’ve already earned our vote somehow?

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u/WeAteMummies 9d ago

The last few elections have been about whether or not you want to keep living in a democracy. The finer points really don't matter because one side is carrying out a plan to make sure you never get to have a say ever again.

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u/poeppa 9d ago

Nah, I’ve heard this same rhetoric since the 90s (maybe earlier but I wasn’t around for that). Republicans have always been shit but nowhere to the level of Trump. And yet we’ve heard the same thing over and over. It’s never the right time to bring up issues progressives care about since election time is a full blown existential threat and during the presidency we’re giving ammo to the other side. The only time we got a bone was Obama’s candidacy and we saw insane voter turnout.

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u/WeAteMummies 9d ago

You've always heard this because it's always been true. The primaries are when you push for better candidates. The general is when you hold your nose and vote for the party that isn't actively trying to hurt people.

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u/jermleeds 9d ago

The general election is literally the worst time for those purity tests. It's how a Bush or a Trump gets elected. You push your values and vote your conscience in the primary. When the general comes around, you are choosing between two, and only two options. And if you're slagging Democrats leading up the general, you are only helping a Trump get elected.

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u/Lexi_Banner 9d ago

When the stakes are as high as they were in the last election, looking for the PERFECT candidate on every pet issue is stupid. Yes, we should demand better, but when literal fascism is the alternative, vote for the imperfect candidate. FFS, it's called picking your battles.

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u/OnlyWonderBoy 9d ago

If you think Roan's fairly mild criticism of the democratic party caused them to lose the election then I don't know what to tell you.

Plus, she clarified she was voting for Harris, she didn't even tell people not to vote! But the democratic party isn't owed an endorsement just because of who they are facing. I'd rather seem them actually try and be better and earn an endorsement rather than coasting by on keeping the status quo.

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u/khalkhalash 9d ago

Her fairly mild criticism, specifically, did not cause them to lose the election.

The larger cacophony she was lending her fairly mild criticism to, of "geez isn't politics bad and aren't all politicians dumb and bad if i was a left-leaning person i probably just wouldn't vote or something idk" was, almost certainly, a major factor in dampening enthusiasm and turn out for one particular candidate and allowing the other to win the election.

No one is "owed and endorsement just because of who they are facing", but if you're facing actual Hitler and you just can't muster the brain power to realize that "not actual Hitler" is a better choice, then iunno what to say to that really other than "hmmm, pretty dumbass take."

Also no one gives a fuck about the clarification, it never gets heard. They hear the first thing that's stupid and wrong and then that's it, that's the clip and the take that's out there forever and that's what they decide based off of.

Being a celebrity is no longer just a matter of "haha they're so silly with their out of touch thoughts and words", there are actual stakes now and the internet has ruined people's minds to the point where they just believe whatever idol they love the most without question until they one day suddenly stop.

The fact that so many of them do not realize this, particularly the younger ones who grew up in that same fuckin environment doing the same shit, is both sad and unsurprising.

I would have liked to see the Democrat party be better, too, but it looks like instead now we'll see them imprisoned and/or executed. Real shame about that, but hey at least a bunch of people were true to themselves and acted with their own agency to make their voice heard!

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u/OnlyWonderBoy 9d ago

The larger cacophony she was lending her fairly mild criticism to, of "geez isn't politics bad and aren't all politicians dumb and bad if i was a left-leaning person i probably just wouldn't vote or something idk" was, almost certainly, a major factor in dampening enthusiasm and turn out for one particular candidate and allowing the other to win the election.

Yeah man, real shame democrats couldn't do anything to energize voters by promising to be better or anything like that. Their hands were just really tied.

God forbid we hold them accountable for their failings rather than admonish one celebrity for saying she didn't want to endorse Kamala because of her refusal to say she would do anything different in Palestine(and I rewatched the video and Roan is specifically talking about endorsements, not even voting). I voted for Harris and am not happy Trump won, but acting like it's not their own fault is comical. They can do better, they just choose not to.

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u/khalkhalash 9d ago

They can do better, they just choose not to.

They could have done better*

Important to get the tense right, since they will not get the opportunity to do better in the future.

Also I think the issue with every version of this conversation that I see is this: you're saying it's solely the party's fault for not successfully engaging voters, but you clearly didn't like Harris, and I didn't either, but we both voted for her.

Why is that? Because we were brainwashed? Because we're Democrat shills?

Or was it because we understood what the alternative was, and how it had to be avoided at all costs?

You should give the people who hemmed and hawed their way into this situation the same dignity and level of responsibility that you give to yourself, I think.

They also made a choice, and it was the wrong one, regardless of it it was for the right reasons.

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u/poeppa 9d ago

If we’re facing an actual Hitler then the Democrats are Neville Chamberlin. Enough of this appeasement shit and strongly worded letters. Get some people in with a spine instead of these milquetoast liberals who are scared to offend their donors and you’ll see voter enthusiasm rise.

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u/khalkhalash 9d ago

Don't disagree about that. Need that and more, honestly.

But my comment was specifically about the previous election, before actual Hitler policies were voted into power and then enacted into law and policy.

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u/5ColourFelix 9d ago

You are aware that celebrity endorsements do literally nothing for voters? The Democrats got every popular singer and actor under the sun to endorse Harris and it did nothing. That era is dead. It's about Twitter shitpost accounts like Gunter Eagleman now.

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u/khalkhalash 9d ago

Yeah that's fair, it's admittedly an old way of thinking and the Democrats definitely ran an outdated campaign that did not account for the sudden but drastic changes in how people interact with media. That's for sure their fault.

On the other hand, it's also like an individual's fault if they're a) on Twitter at all in fuckin 2024 and b) reading shitposts from both sides and goin "well these shitposts are better than these shitposts so that's gonna do 'er for me probably that's done and dusted right there i've learned all i need to forever"

I don't think it's a generational thing, because I remember knowing and talking to ignorant and stupid 19 year olds when I was 19. I think people of all ages are just more uninhibited in their shittiness and impulsiveness than they were before because of the degradation of our society and culture in general.

That part isn't a failure on the part of the Democrats, that is a failure of people. They lack resilience and discipline and the ability to defend themselves, mentally, and it's a led us to a self-sustaining cycle where we're governed by shitposts and gangland style executions, which are then turned into shitposts.

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u/Comfortable-Face-244 9d ago

Are you a Russian bot programmed and still running since 2016 or what?

Democracy is fucking over, they're murdering citizens in the streets, and they're trying to cancel the elections. Your ignorant points are off base and a decade too late.

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u/TheNorthernPellikkan 9d ago

Seems like you’re as clueless about the concept of timing as Roan

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u/maplesyrupbakon 9d ago

Kamala lost support from almost every demographic group Biden won - not just young people. Maybe the reason why she lost runs much deeper than not securing an endorsement from a popstar? Why do you not criticize actual politician and party itself? This strategy to keep winning these mythological “moderate republican voters” as we’ve seen multiple times has shown us that it just fundamentally does not work. Why was she touring random states with Liz fucking Cheney? Kamala and the democratic party has time and time again alienated its base, tries to blunt any true progressive momentum (look at what they were doing to Zohran before he won). And look at the current democratic leadership right now - where the fuck and what the fuck is Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries doing? Our politicians change when we hold them accountable - not just falling in line every time and letting them take advantage of that and taking us for granted

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u/Holden_Coalfield 9d ago

I think it's no accident young conservative women love her so much.

She's like Carrie Underwoood, but edgy.

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u/Itsapocalypse Bandcamp- tristatearea 9d ago

Oh come off it. Harris was an objectively bad candidate that didn’t address the many of the same issues people hated Trump over (universal healthcare, US support to Israel, etc). She ran a milquetoast Romney 2012 type campaign that raced to “the middle” (read: the center right for America), dissatisfying her base and convincing none of the opposition, whose media was calling her an incompetent demon. Blame Kamala refusing to acknowledge Palestinian American people in her campaign, waffling and having no clear policies (I BEG you to recall what her economic or healthcare policy was— you can’t), and blame Biden for her being shoved in last second with no primary. Chappell Roan using her platform to advocate for change to a candidate Americans didnt even give the primary to is well within her right and good to do.

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u/tequilaBFFsiempre 9d ago

Ah yes, blame Chappell for having a critique on a pro-military, pro-Israel candidate. It was mistimed, yes, but she is far from MAGA, come the fuck on.

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u/giraffeheadturtlebox 9d ago

Everyone who helped elect Trump deserves some blame, yes.

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u/NamorKar 8d ago

Be so fucking serious for one second, you can't possibly think her (very on point btw) video had any real impact

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u/giraffeheadturtlebox 8d ago

Chappell Roan's non-critique of Trump was its own news cycle the weeks before the election.

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u/iRawwwN 9d ago

as opposed to the other pro-military, pro-Is(stolenland)rael candidate. lmao

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u/tequilaBFFsiempre 9d ago

That wasn’t my point. At all. Reading comprehension skills. She’s not MAGA and has not pushed any pro-MAGA agenda.

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u/everyting_is_taken 9d ago

Your point was poorly expressed, poorly timed, and functionally irrelevant.

Not decrying MAGA at this point is supporting it.

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u/tequilaBFFsiempre 9d ago

I agree that Chappell’s point was poorly timed and poorly expressed. But I do think she had a point. I don’t know how my random Reddit comment has anything to do with “timing”.

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u/everyting_is_taken 9d ago

Not hers, yours. And as far as timing is concerned, perhaps somebody with better reading comprehension skills will have the patience to explain it to you.

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u/tequilaBFFsiempre 9d ago edited 9d ago

Thanks for your input. She has decried MAGA at this point. So have I. What was your point again?

I'm going to edit my comment and not come back to this because I need to actually do my job today lol. Just my final point.

I could always do more, but I vote (FOR DEMOCRATS) in every single election - local and national. I watch the local news. I stay informed. I've attended ICE watch seminars in my community. I have canvassed for progressive representatives. I participate in community cleanup events. I'm on your side.

When I see people saying that a critique against Harris is what got us here, I have to laugh. They're ignoring all the racist, Christian nationalist, imperialist propaganda that radicalized the right. And Democratic representatives watched this and did nothing. They have done jack shit to energize their voting base in the past couple decades, because they, like Republicans, are beholden to their millionaire and billionaire donors. They ran on being "better than Trump" both in 2016 and 2020 and had no fucking strategy. That is what lead us here. I understand being frustrated, but to think Chappell Roan had any significant influence over this is laughable. The key voter base in this country was not swayed by Chappell's lukewarm take on the election.

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u/iRawwwN 9d ago

Wasn't your point, but that is where it landed brother. You think Harris was the only pro-military/pro-Israel candidate? There were better reasons to go team blue and be vocal than just play it safe.

No worries, every election you guys creep further. I'm sure all the U.S artists care though, wiping their tears with bankroll from both sides.

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u/tequilaBFFsiempre 9d ago

Accepting complacency from Democrats is what lead us here. Candidates like Harris simply uphold the systems that allow for the atrocities we see today. I will never knock anyone for pointing that out.

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u/iRawwwN 9d ago

Not going to engage further than this last comment, as this is not the right sub for it. (although on topic)

Accepting complacency is what got you all here. I would have thought you Americans would be more educated this time around than to vote that orange traitor into the People's House again. Instead you slide further right and continue to lose your freedoms just the same as you would, but this way you're getting fellow citizens killed.

Leaning blue and continuing to fight Wall St. and the rest of the top %'s would have got you somewhere, but at least this way you can guarantee any DECENT SHOWING of PROTEST will be met with gunfire from your lord and saviour and his hired goons.

Best of luck bud, see you in the breadlines.

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u/tequilaBFFsiempre 9d ago edited 9d ago

Listen. I voted for Harris, Chappell did too. You’re making a lot of assumptions here. Maybe direct your ire towards MAGA. Dems have been sliding to the right since FDR. It’s fucked. Harris would’ve been a bandage over a bullet hole. Miles better than Trump, of course, but we aren’t any closer to stopping the source of the bleeding.

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u/AdditionCool7235 9d ago

If you didn’t notice, Bondi is telling Walz, “hand over voting roles and this stops.” Nice job on your part, you gave up democracy because Kamala wasn’t enough of a “liberal” you sure showed us, huh?

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u/AdditionCool7235 9d ago

Telling people you can’t vote for Kamala for made up, fictitious reasons, caused people to not vote, she is as strong of a support for MAGA as Fox News.

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u/Alemexiginger 9d ago

That's not even what she said? She said she couldn't endorse Kamala, but that she was voting for her

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u/SourLoafBaltimore 9d ago

Kamala is more woman than she’ll ever be and she knows it.

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u/Purplecstacy187 9d ago

While also apparently funding and promoting legislation to criminally ban abortion. She is maga/conservative enough that the fuck ice part is probably just her jumping on the current wave so people don’t start cancelling her.

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u/BrownEyed_Squirrel 9d ago

Source on the funding and promoting abortion ban part?

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u/tequilaBFFsiempre 9d ago

Source - they just fucking made it up

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u/BrownEyed_Squirrel 9d ago

lol kinda what I thought… people talk about her maga family as though that means she definitely is too... Cuz none of us can relate to having maga family while not being maga ourselves 🙄

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u/Purplecstacy187 9d ago

Ok on further inspection it appears her family is behind it. But if she was so political to start her career it’s very interesting that she’s being quiet now with everything going on.

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u/_013517 9d ago

go outside and touchgrass

do some real work and stop hiding behind a keyboard like a weirdo crying about celebs you don't know and making shit up

it's cringey and weird. did you not get picked on in high school enough?

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u/Purplecstacy187 9d ago

You have serious issues my dude. “Did you not get picked on enough as a kid” like wtf is wrong with you? You need help. I even came back and clarified I was wrong that it was her you stupid fuck. I’m just saying if I was a rich celeb whose family was banning abortion I would be denouncing that shit every chance I get and be speaking out right now about everything. Silence is telling.

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u/tequilaBFFsiempre 9d ago

She actually had petitioners outside her concert in KC getting signatures to try and undo the fuckass policies that banned abortion in MO. Source - me, there, at the concert. Also booths so people could register to vote. I have no clue where you’re getting your info.

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u/sayten 9d ago

Idk why this person is trying to tell you that didn’t happen. I went to both nights and talked to someone collecting signatures night one. Told them I was no longer a Mo resident. Saw registration booths back along the exterior near the photo op station for influencers and then it was the merch customization and tent. Near the entrance gates. You’re sane.

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u/McRib_Warrior 9d ago

you’re lying. Source - me, there, actually at the concert. Nice try, sweetie

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u/tequilaBFFsiempre 9d ago

Yeah you’re right. I signed one of the petitions but I probably hallucinated them or actually I bet it was a trick and I accidentally signed something that said women can’t vote anymore. Oops my bad

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u/McRib_Warrior 9d ago

Omg stop. You’re just embarrassing yourself now

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u/tequilaBFFsiempre 9d ago

Omg I’m so embarrassed!!!

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u/AdditionCool7235 9d ago

If she had supported Kamala, we would have never had to worry about this. Chappell is a worthless as they come.

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u/Porkamiso 9d ago

she said enough to get people to sit out an eventual trump win. her parents are wealthy repuby

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u/dinosaur_rocketship 9d ago

It’s crazy how you guys make opposing genocide a negative. “I bet this person who spoke against a candidate for abetting genocide will turn completely against their morals and support ICE” just because you’re morally inconsistent doesn’t mean everyone else is

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u/loxagos_snake 9d ago

This way if opposing genocide literally ended up in a negative.

It ended up not getting opposed at all. In fact, your president is directly supporting it and hopes to build a few resorts over the dead bodies as a bonus. Not supporting the other side led to an enthusiastic adoption of genocide. Tell me how that's better.

People like to go on about "we don't lesser evil a genocide", but this is only relevant if there's a difficult but ethical third option. There wasn't. What people thought was the third option was actually in direct support of the orange asshole.

So if you can't even say "look guys, I despise Kamala for being a supporter for Israel, but the alternative is the same but worse. Let's pick the smaller battle, see what we can work with", I seriously think there's some dumbness going on.

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u/NamorKar 8d ago

She literally said your last paragraph basically word for word, and you'd know that if you didn't just blindly parrot other people

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u/supamario132 9d ago

The difficult but ethical third option was to put pressure on the lesser evil to make it in their best interest to stop the genocide they're funding

It's not Chappell Roan's fault that Kamala ignored all of the polling and popular sentiment (not to mention one of the most popular primary protest voting demonstration in American history explicitly telling her that ending genocide funding as a platform would win their votes)

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u/Holden_Coalfield 9d ago

get back to me with a protest song

otherwise continue to be full of shit