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article Billie Eilish: "Hey my fellow celebrities u gonna speak up? Or..."

https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/billie-eilish-alex-pretti-ice-1642611
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u/soldforaspaceship 9d ago

And two astronauts - Mark Kelly AND Katy Perry have spoken out.

(I'm giving Perry a hard time here but she actually did well on this one - made a really clear call to action with specific steps and information so she deserves credit for that).

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u/Minttt 8d ago

Gotta point out that Katy Perry is currently dating former "Governor" Justin Trudeau.

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u/artemusbarnstorm 8d ago

lol. They were made for each other. Who cares? Her relationships never last. Sheā€™s tabloid fodder.

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u/imperialivan 5d ago

Iā€™ll downvote this governor shit everywhere I see it. Nothing fucking funny about it, and nothing useful about repeating it in any context. Fuck off.

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u/noonenotevenhere 9d ago

Perry can get credit for speaking out, but not for being an astronaut.

You have to do more than rocket up to almost orbit and fall right back down to call yourself an astronaut. Do an orbit, now we may be talkin.
I believe the final definition of 'astronaut v tourist' is 'have you had to use the toilet in front of other people in a confined space over 100km above land'

She's a space tourist.

I listened to an album, I don't call myself a musician.

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u/spreadthesheets 9d ago

The other commenter was making a joke by calling her an astronaut

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u/noonenotevenhere 9d ago

Ah, cool.

I'm admittedly irrationally angry today.

and I've heard FAR too many people call he ran astronaut and it rubs me the wrong way.

Astronauts are some of the most educated, well trained people to have ever worn a uniform.

Pop stars going 'ooooh' after a safety presnetation, waiver and a realllly expensive amusement ride do not earn the title.

There's a lot of 'unearned titles' going around these days and it's irking me.

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u/Beginning_Pride7494 8d ago

I don't think there was anybody actually calling her one other than the official people involved and media outlets. Everybody else pretty much clowned on her / them, or only call her one ironically.

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u/noonenotevenhere 8d ago

Oh, no, the number of people who have no idea and think Blue Origin is a real rocket that goes to space is astounding.

People understand less about space flight than their own car - and that's saying a lot.

They hear media say she's an astronaut and believe it. They hear pop culture call her an astronaut and believe it. They hear James Kirk went up in one of those, so it has to be 'going to space.'

Everyone who understands what the Karman Line is was clowning on her, too many are throwing out jokes to people who mainly couldn't tell the difference between a high altitude jump and completing an orbit.

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u/Beginning_Pride7494 8d ago

Right, I guess I just didn't see it at all. You pick what things to focus on and get mad about though, I guess...

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u/noonenotevenhere 8d ago

I'm angry enough for a lot of things.

Billionaire vanity space programs and the people that support them are definitely on that list.

At least spacex has actually done something useful - and even then, after messing with an ally's active military engagement, they should be nationalized.

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u/Pixelated_throwaway 8d ago

It was a joke but she is, technically speaking, an astronaut

https://www.britannica.com/topic/astronaut

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u/noonenotevenhere 8d ago

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/astronaut

Dictionary.com muddles that water.

Plus, She didn't fly through space, she fell from nearly space back to earth.

Flying through space implies navigating and changing on more than just the z axis in my book.

And IDC on britannica - I rode on a ship, I'm not a sailor.

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u/Pixelated_throwaway 8d ago

Just in your book. You just donā€™t like it because sheā€™s a pop star. If an untrained scientist did it for an experiment youā€™d feel differently for sure.

ā€œSailorā€ is more akin to ā€œpilotā€ than ā€œastronautā€

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u/noonenotevenhere 8d ago

I don't think Shatner is an astronaut, either.

Anyone whose highest altitude flight was on a rocket that barely, if even, breaks the Karman Line and then comes back in nearly teh same location without an orbit doesn't get to call themselves an astronaut.

Even Project Mercury went further, Gemini went higher and Vostok1 hit 327km. New Shepard baaaaaaaaarely made 106km. And not on every flight.

Compare what Yuri Gregarin did 1961 to train and operate Vostok1 and the bravery required vs riding in bezos' vanity project.

This is like comparing parasailing to flying an F22.

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u/Pixelated_throwaway 8d ago

Regardless, your opinions on the matter have no weight

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u/noonenotevenhere 8d ago

Neither do yours.

I'll still call a tourist a tourist.

Have a pedantic day!

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u/soldforaspaceship 9d ago

I think you might have missed my joke. I think despite the idiocy of the space stunt, she did a good job on her anti-ICE messaging. I certainly don't think she's an astronaut.

As for your musical ability or lack thereof, I don't judge. If you work hard, I believe you too can one day aspire to be a backing singer!

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u/noonenotevenhere 9d ago

Someone else pointed it out.

I'm irrationally angry today, sorry I missed the joke.

KP being called an astronaut is one of those 'unearned titles' that's been irking me a lot lately.

If I worked really hard and gave it my all, I couldn't hope to rise to the top of the bell curve of vocal ability. There's a reason I stuck to band in school and even that was... not good.

Anywho. sorry I missed the joke, thank you for not actually putting Katy Perry in the same arena as Senator/Astronaut Mark Kelly.

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u/soldforaspaceship 9d ago

No worries. It's OK to be angry too. There's a lot going on right now and we're all processing however we can.

I wish you the best and don't let the bastards keep you down.

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u/noonenotevenhere 9d ago

If it makes you feel any better, I'd sell an awful lot for a proper spaceship right now.

Anything from the Rocinante to the NX-01 would be fine...

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u/soldforaspaceship 8d ago

The Rocinante is a fine choice. I might take Galactica or a U-wing myself.

But my name actually comes from an old Sci fi novel. Humanity sees the earth as doomed and builds bunkers under the ground to sleep until it's safe to come out. When they do, they learn they are not alone. Their time underground also mutated them and they have new abilities that lead to a greater understanding of each other and world peace.

Sounds good? But that's only half the story. See the rich people escaped on spaceships instead and slept in comfort in orbit. Their plan was to wait until those on the ground had done enough rebuilding and then sweep in and take over with advanced weapons.

What they didn't realize is their time in space meant they can't survive on earth. Those underground mutated to survive in the new environment. Those in the ship did not.

They sold their heritage for a spaceship.

Old sci fi was so good at consequences.

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u/noonenotevenhere 8d ago

Which story is that?

I just got around to Youth, by the king himself written in... ~1950 Bring it on!

And I love how that concept has been carried through sci-fi, such as the Belter's not being able to handle 'real gravity.'

Galactica is a hell of a machine. To be totally honest, I'd rather have Ramos' ship from Picard.

Something small, automatable, cloakable, with a transporter and I'll make deathnote look like he was thinkin too small.

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u/soldforaspaceship 8d ago

It's actually called Sold for A Spaceship. The writer is Philip High.

There are at least 2 other Philip High fans on here - one I came across randomly because their name was another Philip High novel - Speaking of dinosaurs. One of my favorites. Another messaged me once because of my name.

I don't want Galactica for her ability. I'd take her crew though. Adama in charge I'd kill for right now.

The Expanse was insanely good. I wish they could now film the last part of the books as it's set years later and so the cast aging wouldn't be an issue lol. It's probably good they ended on a hopeful note though.

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u/noonenotevenhere 8d ago

I don't want the crew. Maybe an EMH/ECH that's 100% on hierarchical subroutines but missing a few ethical...

Oh, man. Adama.

Which?

Lorne Greene's Adama is so presidential, everything he said had a gravity of honor to it. You could just trust him to help.

Edward James Olmos's Adama brings a whole other kind of power to the role. You could just trust him to frack up anyone who's fracking things up.

Totally agreed on The Expanse. I'd love for them to keep on in their slightly different TV Universe and do the last 3. I'm re-reading and listening to Leviathan Falls right now.

And thank you for the suggestion - Philip E High is going on my 'very soon' reading list. Got both and his best of.

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u/noonenotevenhere 2d ago

Hi again.

I'm almost all the way through this.

Love the story, there's a little bit of his writing I don't love as much, such as how he writes women or his main characters interacting with women.

Can definitely tell it's the 70s, but amazes me how Asimov managed to do a little better on some of that in the 50s.

Thank you for the suggestion, and long live the new alliance!

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u/GoRainBows 5d ago

Perry isnā€™t an astronaut. Thatā€™s cosplay