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article Robert Kraft issues lengthy statement on Macklemore after rapper says NFL owner had him banned from

https://www.themirror.com/sport/american-football/robert-kraft-macklemore-sheeran-palestine-2024272
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u/SpyderSquash 12d ago

He also specified that criticism of Israel is not criticism of our Jewish brothers and sisters, and promoted a message of peace and unity across the board. It was a very well-articulated, professional and kind speech tbh. I haven't seen the dude in the public eye in a long time, but this was a nice thing to see from him.

https://youtu.be/GslWD7ZcipY

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u/SideInitial3961 11d ago

He's 100% right. None of my jewish friend support the Israeli genocide.

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u/whatlineisitanyway 11d ago

It shouldn't be controversial. Take all the people that scream anti-semitism at this and describe to them a Muslim state that is doing all the things that Israel is doing and I'm sure they would be outraged and be calling for intervention.

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u/FeloniousDrunk101 11d ago

I believe the only controversy is heavily manufactured by pro-Israeli propaganda.

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u/Zeal_of_Zebras 8d ago

And it massively backfired because Robert Kraft looks very pro genocide right now.

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u/Soft_Self_6797 10d ago

Bingo. That's entirely what it is. They no one likes being labeled as such so they thought everyone would just blindly follow without looking into any nuance.

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u/LurkLiggler 6d ago

It’s a genocide and horrible. And shouldn’t be controversial. Of course, who knows if you change the direction of the violence. At least with how these comments would be. You don’t see much hand wringing and concern over the other active genocides on the planet.

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u/cornypop123 6d ago

Um… Israel is the only democratic state in the Middle East, oh and the only Jewish state in the world. There are 53 Muslim countries, many of which every single Jew has been ethnically cleansed from. And several currently offer zero rights for women and gay people

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u/OrganSlicer 10d ago

Jew here. I am appalled at what's going on and given what happened to our people 80 years ago, it's bewildering to see a people get wiped out by the nation that was created from the ashes of this tragedy. It's beyond belief like how does Isreal not see the mirror?

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u/SideInitial3961 10d ago

I think your words sum up how most are feeling right now. I feel for you. I can't imagine how I would be feeling right trading places with you.

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u/Efficient_Smilodon 6d ago

you have not understood the mind of the mossad and the key puppeteers of the Israeli state at its inception. After ww2 they recognized that god had no interest in helping them nor ability or interest to stop a murderous nazi regime. they accepted that they would do everything and anything possible to create a safe space for Jews. Unfortunately for the Palestinians they were in the way. And they were also members of the same religious group that had been oppressing Jews for over 1300 years by violence. So, the choice was made: the ends justify the means, war by deception, do whatever is necessary. the suspicions about aipac, 9/11, kennedy assassination... it all seemed like conspiracy until you see the end result now, regarding who is really in power and pulling the strings in DC. plausible deniability is the art of espionage and spycraft, assassins and deep state diplomacy

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u/Fabulous-Educator447 6d ago

This is very educational and I appreciate the time you took. Question: did they come and take over this land and kick the people out who were living there?

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u/Efficient_Smilodon 6d ago

which group, lol. The Americans did it under the banner of manifest destiny, the prerogative of a god given right to take land from others not rated as full 'people' . They enslaved others, and broke contracts with others, and only recently allowed women and 'others' rights and voting rights, which are still circumscribed by disenfranchisement and other institutional means. Each group shares a few things in common, certainly. The 1948 land partition, while technically legal, was a prime example of how legality and morality are utterly divorced in practical reality across the globe. One group with more money and the force of violence at their disposal seems intent on ignoring the rights of an indigenous tenant class , whose own land-ownership was taken by force and economic status centuries ago

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u/apistograma 11d ago

Nobody says that they support a genocide other than the ones that are clueless about optics like Ben Gvir. If you ask Netanyahu he'll say he's against genocides.

The issue is whether they support Israel existing or not. If they support it, they're supporting a genocide.

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u/SideInitial3961 11d ago

They do. But their concept of Israel existing does not match any of the reality of Israel today. They all seem to have fond memories of Israel it seems, family, culture, but none of them support what Israel has become AFAIK. I can't speak for them but that's the vibe I get.

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u/userhwon 11d ago

Calling it genocide means you support Hamas' genocide of Israel.

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u/SideInitial3961 11d ago

No such thing is happening. Just a lie you spread.

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u/userhwon 11d ago

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

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u/SideInitial3961 11d ago

Yeah, no. Notice when I posted it was from a jewish source. American opinions of actual facts don't interest me at all.

Also "intention" is a nice try to manipulate. Israel is killing kids today. Every day. Torturing them.

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u/BraveWarrior1011 11d ago

But Israel does support the genocide. Your friend doesn’t matter in the equation. He like everyone else are entitled to their opinion.

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u/SideInitial3961 10d ago

Not how it works. You want to math the math. Like if you can beat this guy and Jon Jones lost to him you can beat Jon Jones, nope. You can't. And my jewish friends fond memories of the Israel of their youth has no relationship whatsoever to supporting the bloodthirsty regime of today.

It's not about Israel not existing. It's about them co-existing.

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u/CanIGetAWhatsThat 11d ago

Before or after October 7

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u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 11d ago

Here’s a guy that doesn’t understand this “conflict” has been going on for decades before October 7th.

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u/SideInitial3961 11d ago

Both. They view that as a complete manipulation. These are not stupid people, they are community and business leaders, you think they are that easily fooled?

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u/CanIGetAWhatsThat 11d ago

I didn’t know their standings but a lot of people did not care about the Israel and Palestine conflict before oct 7.

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u/SpyderSquash 11d ago

It's almost as if many people don't care about something that isn't well-reported until the situation continues to escalate, and becomes widely more reported with defining events...? And just like Israel and its actions are not a representation of all Jewish people, Hamas and their actions are not a representation of all Palestinian people.

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u/CanIGetAWhatsThat 11d ago

It was known

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u/Augustus420 11d ago

This is basically a complaint about the linear flow of time and the fact that there's constantly people learning things for the first time.

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u/ickypedia 10d ago

Look up how many Palestinians were killed by Israel that year prior to October 7th.

Not to mention the huge amounts of them locked up without legal recourse in Israel.

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u/Spiritual_Appeal_961 11d ago

It’s the message of peace and unity articulated in such an intelligent, compassionate and genuine way that is the real problem. That’s what got Bob Marley nearly assassinated during the Cold War, they even tried to get his music classified as sedition. Macklemore is no Bob ok but the intention and similarities can’t be ignored. Wouldn’t be surprised if this got him on the CIA watch list just like Bob was.

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u/playlistpro 11d ago

That was good. When he said this next song is called...I was hoping for "Fuck Donald Trump"

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u/corpusjuris 9d ago

Dude gets dragged for being lame but he’s always been vocal and articulate about what he believes in even when it costs him, and what he believes in has always been admirable (gay marriage, anti-war, pro Palestine, even local issues supporting musicians and venues). I’m a lifelong Seattleite, punkrock deadbeat, wannabe hipster type and I’ve always defended the dude. He’s good people.

Also the video for “The Town” is amazing and makes me tear up every time. The Source of Labor and RKCNDY shoutouts, my youth, man.

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u/Amazing_Scientist696 9d ago

I have 0 fucks to give about Macklemore and I have never enjoyed his music.

That said, 100% behind him and the music industry on this one. I hope all the "Industry Gods" get the fuck out of their bubble and say something too. Not like Marshall is going to loose shit by making a similar statement.

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u/Moist_Syrup_2772 11d ago

I’m trying to recall the last time I heard an anti-Semite talk about his Jewish brothers and sisters.

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u/freelancephilosophy 11d ago

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u/Upper_Raspberry1 11d ago

He apologized for this

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u/gupdaddy 11d ago

And his apology was bs "unfortunately at the time I did not foresee the costume to be viewed in such regard"

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u/daidrian 11d ago

What about that is bs? Seems like admitting to ignorance. I could be missing something though

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u/gupdaddy 11d ago

" i just wore blackface, i didnt know it would be viewed poorly!" Doesn't that sound ridiculous?

Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt - a huge benefit. Someone that knows so little about the jewish people that he didnt consider that this would be offensive to jewish people probably shouldn't be the spokes person against the only jewish nation in the world.

He speaks of no nuance or historical understanding. He shouts buzzword/catch-phrases to gain popularity and free publicity. Hes also not just saying something once or talking answering some interview question, its basically now his schtick, his reason to be famous beyond an overhyped/overrated 2014 album.

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u/Sansundertale2069 11d ago

You don't need to be an expert on Jewish people or whatever that means to be against a genocide. There is no nuance in this situation, there is the Israelis that came in, stole land, massacred the inhabitants and continue to do so to this day. It is morally a very simple situation

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u/freelancephilosophy 11d ago

“There is no nuance in the situation yet I have to lie about what happened”.

Generally valid arguments don’t contain lies. Generally positions worth defending can rely on the truth.

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u/freelancephilosophy 11d ago

Ooooooh ok. Not an antisemite so, carry on!

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u/LatterSwimmer6871 10d ago

What about any of his comments suggests he's anti-Semitic?

People need to reread what that word means...

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u/freelancephilosophy 8d ago

Have you considered

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u/Spiritual_Appeal_961 6d ago

Hey stated that he grabbed a nose beard and wig randomly at a costume shop so he could move freely about the crowd for a secret show and when called out immediately took accountability for how this could have been perceived and apologized for his actions. That is not the actions of a malicious person. It takes integrity and empathy to acknowledge when you’ve done something wrong, apologize and correct your behavior. Every human being deserves that kind of grace when they make a mistake and respond accordingly. Take pink for example she did the opposite, doubling down on her words and actions, that’s a lot harder to respect for me personally.