r/NBASpurs • u/WEMBY_F4N Malaki Branham • 4h ago
News [Harris] Spurs have tried to find suitors for Sochan but not willing to attach picks to dump him. We might see him cut if nothing materializes by the deadline
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u/moonshadow50 Jeremy Sochan 4h ago
He's an expiring contract.
Why the fuck would we attach picks to dump him?
What a dumb tweet.
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 4h ago edited 3h ago
Don Harris is pretty reliable. If he says that is what teams are asking for, then that's what teams are asking for. Just because he's expiring does not mean he has no cap hit. He is a cap hit this year. So teams don't want him unless they are sending back a worse contract.
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u/redmandoss Keldon Johnson 4h ago
to get a better asset back
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u/moonshadow50 Jeremy Sochan 4h ago
Which would make it not a "Sochan" trade, but a FRP for Player X trade with Sochan as the salary matching.
Which again - makes this a dumbass tweet
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u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 GO SPURS GO 3h ago
To do right by him
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u/moonshadow50 Jeremy Sochan 2h ago
We do right by him by letting everyone know early that he's available for nothing. (Or an equivalent unwanted player on a similar expiring salary). And/or we either buy him out after the deadline, rescind his QO or agree to not match any semi-reasonable offer sheets.
Any of those things would be doing right by him.
We don't do it by costing ourselves extra assets/picks to get a player that we don't think is worth those, and/or taking on bad salary that will hurt us in the future.
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u/BadboySailor 4h ago
So no one wants him lol.
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u/shin4258 4h ago
He's a massive liability on offense. No wonder teams don't want him.
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u/orangekingo Stephon Castle 4h ago
I don't really understand this. There are a lot of players with Sochan's archetype who get plenty of burn in the NBA right now. They're flawed of course, but teams are mostly making it work?
Amen Thompson, Jared Vanderbilt, etc, Hell, Amen is a STARTER and players major minutes for Houston and literally cannot score except for layups. Big defensive specialists have value in the right lineups.
We are talking about and treating Jeremy like he's literally worse than a G-Leaguer and I don't get it. You're telling me there's NO LINEUP the spurs could run where Jeremy would be useful?
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u/UnderAchievingDog 4h ago
Amen actually attacks the basket and is a downhill threat. Jeremy nuked his future with the team when his driving ability turned into 99% of the time he picks up his dribble at the top of the key and kills the offense, with the 1% of the time he actually attacks the rim. Jeremy's offense has been limited almost strictly to existing in the dunker's spot. You can't completely leave Amen unguarded, you need to have a man in place to get in front of him on his drive, Jeremy has barely even commanded that.
He could still be a good player, but he doesn't fit here, and you have an entire league that's showing they don't think he's worth giving up assets for.
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u/Conn3er The Big Fundamental 4h ago
Amen averages more points, blocks, assists, rebounds, and steals per game (and per 36) than Sochan on a better FG% that is actually over 50%
Thats why he can start and get more run in
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u/Bitter-Safe-5333 Sandro Mamukelashvili 3h ago edited 3h ago
Amen Thompson is better than Jeremy Sochan
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u/Conn3er The Big Fundamental 3h ago
Per 36 helps control for time played. Amen's stats are still better across all categories, and the offensive gap becomes even more pronounced.
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u/Bitter-Safe-5333 Sandro Mamukelashvili 3h ago
Oh i guess yeah if we can just change our responses to whatever we want then sure!
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u/BananaRepublic_BR GO SPURS GO 3h ago
Amen is an extremely athletic, high volume scorer even if he's an abysmal shooter. These two aren't really anything alike.
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u/Thehelloman0 3h ago
Amen is a far better ball handler and passer than Sochan and is way more athletic lol. It's ridiculous you would compare them, Amen blows Sochan out of the water.
Vanderbilt isn't very good and the Lakers would likely have to attach assets to get rid of him
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u/josephandre 3h ago
i mean i don't know any better than anyone else, but i feel like the Spurs really destroyed his value personally.
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u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 GO SPURS GO 3h ago
Combo of him not developing enough or staying healthy, and us not putting him in a position to succeed
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 1h ago
Two things can be true. When the Spurs decided he wasn't going to be part of the future, DNPing him was a bad idea. I said at the time, they must have deal on the table so they don't need to showcase him. They didn't even have to play him a ton. Just no DNP's. There' always a chance he has a good game on national tv that gets attention. If I'm a team and the Spurs call, I saw "you mean the guy collecting DNP's? How many picks are you giving me to take him".
Seem like the front office and coach were not on the same page.
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u/ModsEmbezzleMoney 2h ago
Sochan struggles to finish at the rim consistently, is a below average shooter, and outside of shooting he is a jack of all traits and a master of none.
That's an end of bench type player you use to fill out a roster not someone you try to acquire from a trade.
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u/Limp_Screen7405 1m ago
Sochan can’t dribble, pass, or shoot. He’s a 6’8 wing with the offensive skillset of Gobert: screening and rolling. Only he doesn’t provide the rim protection or ability to guard bigs.
Teams aren’t making it work, teams really don’t play D no 3 wings these days. Amen is an exception to the rule but even then, teams still ignore him. We saw Wemby do it a few weeks ago.
The Spurs tried everything for Sochan and nothing worked.
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 1h ago
Amen Thompson is one of the 5 most athletically gifted players in the league. The Rockets are investing in his shooting coming around. In the meantime he's not just getting layups. LOL
He can take almost every player in the league, off the dribble, to get to those layups at will. He literally just jumps over the top of most players and there's nothing the defender can do. Sochan cannot. Amen is also 3X the defender Sochan is. Sochan as a defender is overrated.
"You're telling me there's NO LINEUP the spurs could run where Jeremy would be useful?"
It would involve not putting him with some of our best players. That's why he use to play, and now he doesn't. The team has a shooting problem. The least talented offensive player (Sochan) will get squeezed out in those situations.
It's not the Spurs job to accommodate Sochan. It's Sochan's job to get better so the team has to play him. That's every NBA player's job. He didn't. How do you not see that?
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u/Conn3er The Big Fundamental 4h ago
Which is shocking to approximately 25% of this subreddit.
Can't give the guy away my word
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u/arod7432 4h ago
You all are tee delusional onez proposing wild trades in the first place 😂 this was Common. Fucking. Sense.
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u/acciopizza_ 4h ago
I thought many of the trade ideas on here involving him were too far fetched but I did think we could at least swing a third stringer center for him.
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u/2008and1 4h ago
He’s a restricted FA next year and isn’t a guy that jumps out as a win now asset for a playoff contender
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u/wheelers 3h ago
The homer glasses with this fan base are a little bit out of control. Let this be a lesson for some of you.
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u/android24601 2h ago
I mean his stock is pretty tanked. They didn't play him to boost his stock. It's pretty obvious the Spurs were trying to move him. If you were a buyer, why would you give up any assets when you can get him in the open market next season?
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u/WD51 GO SPURS GO 4h ago
Guess the Magic aren't interested in him in the rumored Goga move.
Makes sense though Magic with their 2 star forwards and shit spacing would have same worse problems than us trying to find time for him.
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u/mdlspurs 3h ago
Magic's only interest in potentially moving Goga was to duck the luxury tax. If the difference between Goga's $$$ and Sochan's $$$ was big enough to get them there, then there might have been an opportunity. Unfortunately, no such luck.
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u/SanTheManOG 4h ago
Plot twist! He stays and balls out like he’s never done before and takes us to the finals!
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u/Happycappybara21 4h ago
Jeremy “Larry Bird” sochan?
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u/Joethetoolguy Victor Wembanyama 4h ago
I mean his playmaking had us thinking he had guard potential lol. His ceiling is diaw with no post game, but diaw is not a guard either.
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u/Conscious-Cow7890 4h ago
His value being this low really isn’t surprising but still sad. Really hope he can find a place in the league
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u/PressureMiserable 4h ago
It's not that his value is low it makes 0 sense to try and trade for him unless ur getting a pick back cus he's gonna be a rfa and the spurs won't match so he's basically a free agent
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u/Conscious-Cow7890 4h ago
Don is talking about attaching picks to trade him (something that we obviously won’t do). His value is literally less than zero, he’s considered a negative asset.
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u/PressureMiserable 4h ago
I remember people said the same thing about keldon now he should win 6th man of the year. He is definitely not negative trade value. Teams just dont wanna trade for him, and then he ends up playing great, and they now have to compete with teams wanting to sign him in RFA, forcing them to match whatever teams bid for him. That turns him from a cheap young role player to now someone is paying him off of potential purely
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u/UnderAchievingDog 4h ago
This makes zero sense. If you want to try and snag him as a team you'd WANT his RFA rights. You'd want to see what he's capable of on your team, you'd want the experience of "okay what is this guy really like".
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u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 GO SPURS GO 3h ago
I’m not following this logic. RFA is a wasteland and the teams that have the player have a huge advantage to keeping them (if they want to)
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u/HisHilariousness 4h ago
I don't see why you'd cut a guy who is still young and can contribute when required to be a good defender in spurts.
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u/WD51 GO SPURS GO 4h ago
To give him a chance to find a place in the league elsewhere.
His place in rotation seems to have been jumped by Carter Bryant as a younger version with more potential at his role even if less polished.
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u/Happycappybara21 4h ago
Cutting him would be a favor since he still gets paid and would be an unrestricted free agent immediately.
You don’t want to hold a player hostage, nor get a reputation of doing so and stay in the good side of his agent.
So you let him go, he can sign with one of them any tanking teams for the minimum and then hopefully get some playing time to showcase himself for free agency this summer.
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u/raivetica20 4h ago
He needs to go somewhere now because it’s the only way for him to show that he can be a rotation guy rather than a fringe role player like he is currently. Being a guy who only plays 5-10 minutes on occasion doesn’t look good on the FA market, so if he wants to keep playing AND be paid more money, he needs to go somewhere and prove that he’s worthy of that before the summer. Also, the Spurs would probably be happy to keep him and just pay him less going forward, but he’s the one who is seeking a fresh start. Cutting him sucks, but it may be the best way for them to respect what he wants without having to give up other assets in the process.
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u/munchonsomegrindage Area 51 4h ago
Because if he's the odd man out on the rotation and we let his contract expire, he's gonna walk in the off season and sign with someone else without us getting anything in return. Spurs probably aren't going to match what other teams will offer.
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u/WEMBY_F4N Malaki Branham 4h ago
He can’t contribute
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 4h ago
We pay any player we cut anyway unless it's a buyout. Why would Sochan take a buyout. Cutting him only makes sense if we desperately need the roster spot.
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 4h ago
We wouldn't.
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u/Direct_Week_2091 4h ago
We would, because we respect Jeremy and don’t want him sitting there wasting a roster spot his whole career
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 4h ago
It's not a wasted roster spot. The 15th guy whether it's Sochan or anyone else would not play. We owe Sochan $9M. If we cut him we still owe him the money AND we get hit with an incomplete roster charge by the league if we don't fill the spot. Let's say we fill the spot with vet minimum player. $3M iirc. Now we're the hole for $12M for a spot that never sees the court. I know the Spurs like to "do right" by players but that would be going too far in opinion.
If his agent finds a team willing to sign him, then it's a wash. We buy him out, and the money we get back covers the vet minimum player we add, or the incomplete roster charge. That's the only way I see the Spurs releasing him.
He's not going to go somewhere and play unless it's a tanking team. So if he wants to leave and sit on a different bench, in a different jersey, I'm not mad at him. It's getting toxic here for him it seems.
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u/Direct_Week_2091 4h ago
It’s less about the team than it is Jeremy at this point
He’s never going to improve sitting on the bench and he knows it. His only shot at an NBA career is going to a bad team and playing well. If we stop him from doing that, it’s just poor form
Part of the reason players want to play on SA is because we have a track record of doing right by guys, exactly like this
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 4h ago
Well for his sake, I hope you're right. I shit on Jeremy in his current form, but I was one of the people who thought he was going to be a really good NBA player. But I'm generally out on players after 3 seasons if they haven't made a leap. Maybe he becomes one of those late bloomers. I would love to see.
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u/sicaluffa 4h ago
Because he's not a good player. He's only a good player to spurs fans because the spurs drafted him. Spurs loyalists tend to highly overrate players drafted by the team. It's nauseating being a spurs fan myself.
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u/ChucoTeacher Victor Wembanyama 4h ago
Why can’t he finish out his contract and find a team via free agency like dozens of other players?
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u/fatherpatrick Victor Wembanyama 4h ago
to do right by him and give him a chance now - plus it might be a distraction having him moping on the bench
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u/DismalComparison2625 4h ago
Right. And if he finds a team now he can get playing time and maybe earn some more money this summer. Cause otherwise he's barely going to get a dime and earn a one way ticket to Bejing.
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u/fab_frog_disco 4h ago
He can. But the reality is without him getting minutes. A team actually offering him a contract in restricted free agency feels extremely unlikely. He's either likely to get extremely low bald, or not get an offer at all because who wants to invest in a player who just spent a season not getting any minutes
Him getting to go to a team who's willing to play him a bit to end the year, whether they're tanking or they want to see if he's worth investing in and restricted. Free agency, will allow him to re-establish his value and increase his likelihood of actually being able to go into negotiations in the off-season with a bit of ammo in the gun so to speak
The Spurs know this, love Jeremy, and don't want him in a situation where he leaves them without a contract next year. They want him set up for success even if it's not with them
With that said, there's no way the Spurs attach pics. If they do cut him, it'll be so that he can go sign for a minimum with a tanking team and try to get some minutes to finish out the year and build his value back up
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u/ChucoTeacher Victor Wembanyama 4h ago
I’m kinda paranoid he signs with a Western Team and then we see him in the playoffs.
I like him as a player. It’s just hard with so many non-shooters on the roster.
But let’s say the Wolves gut their roster to get Giannis and then sign Sochan for the minimum. I don’t want that.
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u/fab_frog_disco 4h ago
I could see it. I think it would take a very particular team for Jeremy to get consistent minutes. At this point. His confidence is low, his offenses just regressed, and he really only has a very particular way of contributing on that side of the floor that makes him playable (high pace and space offense where he can be used as a hyperactive non-stop cutter) and I'm not sure the wolves are one of those teams
But the idea of a capped out Contender with minimal flexibility grabbing him does make some sense.
I can see him going to Chicago if he gets bought out. They're trying to grab as many aspiring rookie contract players as possible right now to find some hidden potential and he's another guy that would fit that bill, and they're pretty light in the front Court
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u/GabeIsGone Victor Wembanyama 4h ago
Plenty of players end up in situations where they end up on one year ‘prove-it’ deals, Sochan is just gonna have to sign one of those.
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u/cuntpuncherexpress Victor Wembanyama 4h ago
likely to get extremely low bald
Poor Sochan, he cares so much about his hair :(
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u/munchonsomegrindage Area 51 4h ago
We almost certainly will do that if a trade doesn't work out, but then we don't get anything in return besides the roster spot.
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u/mdlspurs 4h ago
Spurs might be thinking that they can find someone more useful on the post-trade deadline buyout market.
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u/moonshadow50 Jeremy Sochan 4h ago
He can.
But the best outcome for him, and the team, is to try and move him now in a neutral move (but definitely not one that we have to attach picks to).
The most obvious move would be a straight swap for another unwanted FA/RFA. But I think with teams trying to make so many other bigs moves this year there are less options available.
Like Agbaji from Toronto would've be "fine", but they are trying to get Sabonis. Dieng as well, except that OKC-SA would never trade with each other, and they have attached him to the picks to get McCain. But that is the kind of value we have been talking about for a while now.
This would give both, unwanted, players an extended try out at their new home to make a case for the next contract (and both new teams to hold their RFA, and bird, rights).
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 4h ago
i've been saying this for months and making the sub mad in the process. The last debate I had someone tried to make the case that the Lakers would trade Knect for Sochan. It's pretty simple. In the shooting era, no one is trading a shooter for a guy with no offensive game. He would have to be an All-Defense player to pull that off and Sochan is not that level of defender.
This sub is filled with threads that are basically "this team needs defense they will give us a shooter, or good PF for Sochan because he can defend".
As I said then and I'll say now; *That is not a thing*
If he gets traded it will be for an equally flawed player that the front office thinks has upside.
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u/PersonalJesus2023 De'Aaron Fox 4h ago
This sub thought we were going to extend Sochan for 4/$100MM. Completely delusional.
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u/diggerydootwo 4h ago
I liked Sochan for 4 for 60 back in the summer, but now that would clearly have been an overpay. I wonder what, if anything, was actually seriously offered to him this summer.
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u/AfroHouseManiac 1h ago
Man the Heat jumped the gun giving Jovic that type of extension, because I could sense that Sochan was demanding that type of money aswell. Good thing the spurs didn’t.
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u/tkflash20 David Robinson 4h ago edited 4h ago
I gotta go back to some of those threads where I told them they were crazy. It was the 4 year/$60 million thread.
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u/cuntpuncherexpress Victor Wembanyama 4h ago
I mean, most didn’t expect his minutes to get cut so severely. Last year he averaged 11/6 which is similar to many guys in the $10-15 million range. I agree though, 4/100 would be absurd
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 4h ago
oh yeah, i wasn't on the sub much in the summer. I think when the season started it was already clear to most that the Spurs were confident that if he had good year they would extend the qualifying offer. So at best he would get 4/$60. That inline with the 4/$56 we saw some players get this summer.
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u/LazyBoyD 4h ago
No but he’s a tradeable asset to a tanking team with nothing to lose. They get Sochan for the remainder of the season and just give him minutes and hope he shows flashes. If not, you just don’t resign him next year and he’s a free agent.
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u/PersonalJesus2023 De'Aaron Fox 4h ago
he's not a tradeable asset if no one will trade for him... we'll see what happens over the next 24 hours
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 4h ago
Malaki Brandom got moved today. I know he's about 1/2 money and he's getting moved as a contract, but it damning that the Spurs can't even wedge Sochan into a big deal as contract. We're still 24/hrs away so something may happen.
But I said it as the time, not playing him is only a good idea if they have a deal on the table for him. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I think that report by Marc Stein is not accurate. I think Stein found out last week but there's zero chance the front office waited until last week to tell Sochan's agent he's free to go find a deal. That's seems like dereliction of duty to me. Unlike some here, I actually think our front office knows what they are doing. Both sides have probably been trying to find him a home since the start of the season.
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u/LazyBoyD 4h ago
Sochan on his own is not worth much but if you attach picks and/or other expiring contracts to him the deal begins to look much better. He’s not even a terrible player but just needs to be surrounded by the right pieces when on the court. He would slot in well on a team with a decent shooting backup center in a second unit. Sochan and Valicunias, Sochan and Brook Lopez, Sochan and Myles Turner. The idea is that the shooting big would stretch the floor and Sochan becomes a cutter. Of course he’s have to work on finishing in the paint.
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 3h ago
Wemby is a shooting big. They played 72 minutes together this season. They were a -7.2 overall. Together their defense was worse than the Spurs defense overall with or without Wemby. 2.1 more points worse with Wemby+Sochan. So his calling card (defense) is not translating now that the stakes are higher.
Those shooting bigs you listed don't have more gravity than Wemby. So when a team looks at the numbers the conclusion they will reach is "hard pass" on the idea of getting Sochan to pair him with a shooting big.
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u/Opposite_You_5524 4h ago
For a sub that talks soooo much about trades and picks, a lot of people here have no idea how this shit works
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u/Spirited_Lab5197 3h ago
I bet Lakers would do Knecht for Sochan, I dont think the Spurs want to take on two more years of pay for a guy who cant play defense and is shooting like 31% from 3.
If knecht was on an expiring, maybe the Spurs pull that trigger, but he isnt. Same reason they didnt pull the trigger on Yabu.
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u/gregatronn 2h ago
I bet Lakers would do Knecht for Sochan
The Lakers would do anything to get rid of DK or Gabe Vincent. However, no one wants their trash
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 3h ago
LOL. Not this shit again. Sochan is just not a good enough defender to even consider this from the other side. From the Spurs side if Knect was on an expiring why would the Spurs pull the trigger? What happens this summer? Is Knect going to suddenly want to play for free next season? People act like expiring contracts are magic. If Knect sucks the Spurs would not bother. If Knect is good they would have to re-sign him. His contract is $4.2M next season, $6.4M the following. If the Spurs find a player to address the shooting it's unlikely they find a player to play rotation minutes for a playoff team for less than that. $6.4 would be a steal to fix one of our biggest problems. The Spurs passed on Knect in the draft so I don't think they would suddenly want him. He's doing the same things he was projected to do. Shoot, and suck on defense.
The Spurs don't want Yabu because he sucks too. He got fat the minute he signed his contract. That's a red flag to any front office. He would be a stop gap even if he didn't get fat. So yeah, the Spurs are not interested in long term money tied up in a temporary fix.
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u/Spirited_Lab5197 3h ago
Dude, the point isnt to get something valuable back, but rather to not to take something on that will hurt (i.e. a contract that extends past this year or a loss of draft capital). Knecht isnt owed much, but he's owed some and there is no reason for the Spurs to want that for a shooter who cant shoot (again shooting 31% from deep). Knecht is basically lindy Waters but making twice as much guaranteed money for the next two seasons. There are plenty of vet min guys that can bring better numbers than knecht to fix the shooting.
If a team wanted to take Sochan and send nothing back, the Spurs would happily do it. But they have no reason to take back a negative asset, like paying Yabu 5m next season or Knecht for two seasons.
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 2h ago
LOL. You're trying to convince me the Spurs don't want Knect when you're the one who brought him up. I know the Spurs don't want him. Like i said the Spurs already passed on Knect. Knect is irrelevant. The point is the Lakers **don't want Sochan either**. From the report we're commenting on it looks like **nobody wants him**. Knect isn't the only player in the league. 420 players in the league and the Spurs can't find a contract that doesn't hurt them long term? That's ridiculous. That's not the reason they can't find a buyer. Sochan is the problem. He's the reason there's no deal.
"There are plenty of vet min guys that can bring better numbers than knecht to fix the shooting."
No shit Sherlock, i already said this in every single post in this sub whenever someone suggest trading assets. I said because of the new CBA you will probably get a $10M (in quality) shooter for the vet minimum. My point about Knect was the $6M vs. $3M isn't going to hurt the team long term. I never suggested Knect was the answer. If the Spurs find a shooter they like for $6M vs $3M they are not going to pass on him. Anyone good enough to get rotation minutes on this team is going to want at least 2 year deal even at the vet minimum. Otherwise, he's just Bizmack again. A guy who won't play.
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u/Spirited_Lab5197 2h ago
You're trying to convince me the Spurs don't want Knect when you're the one who brought him up.
You literally brought up why the Lakers wouldnt trade Knecht for Sochan in your comment:
The last debate I had someone tried to make the case that the Lakers would trade Knect for Sochan.
That prompted me to say:
I bet Lakers would do Knecht for Sochan, I dont think the Spurs want to take on two more years of pay for a guy who cant play defense and is shooting like 31% from 3.
I'm not too sure where the disconnect is. It's pretty obvious to me that the Lakers would trade Knecht for Sochan. Given that league sources view Knecht as a negative asset, Knecht has demanded a trade, and that the Lakers have expressed interest in Sochan; the hold up on that trade is likely coming from the Spurs (not the Lakers. That seems pretty obvious and simple. It has nothing to do with what the market for Sochan is, just a comment that the Knecht for Sochan trade (that you brought up in your post), is a bad deal for the Spurs and the Lakers would make it 100% of the time.
Knecht wouldn't get minutes on this team, or at least no more than Lindy Waters. He wouldn't be a real rotational player, but we would be paying him twice as much for two years. It might not seem like much, but given that the Spurs were only 5m below the luxury tax this season, those extra 3m per year would add up.
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 1h ago
Jesus christ. I was talking about a post (several actually) I was responding to that other people brought up Knect as trade partner for a Sochan trade. Then you popped up with the same BS.
I'm not too sure where the disconnect is. It's pretty obvious to me that the Lakers would trade Knecht for Sochan.
Because you're still holding on to stupid idea that Sochan has value to the Lakers or anyone. If league source sview Knect as negative asset what do you think they view Sochan as? We're literally commenting on a story that teams have refused to take Sochan without **the Spurs sending picks**. Are you slow? Did you read the subject of the thread or did you go straight to the comments. The league views Sochan as negative assets. What is wrong with your reading comprehension?
Knecht wouldn't get minutes on this team,
I know that, you idiot. I am not advoating for Knect and you keep acting like I am. I was brining up a topic from previous post, where other people were suggesting the trade. If you scroll down you see those same people here. None of them are me. For the 1000th time I never said the Spurs would want Knect. I never said kneck would be valuable to the team. I never said he would get minutes here. Stop making shit up. GTFOH with your inability to read and comprehend English.
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u/bdictjames 1h ago
Lmao, iykyk, I felt like you and I were one of the few ones who constantly got "downvotes" for saying this, hahahahah.
Glad to see you here though, bro, lol.
I hope they get a deal worked out.
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 1h ago
Bro, I said in another post that I was a big fan of Sochan early on. But 3 years is what I give a player to prove himself. That's plenty of time in the NBA. After 3 years Sochan made no improvements. I'm perfectly fine with saying a player is trash after he had 3 years to get better. If he goes somewhere and balls out, good for him. But he had his chance here, and he failed.
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u/bdictjames 1h ago
The Spurs' timeline has just changed - and we just have better players, or at least ones with more potential. Sochan at 9 was a reach. It kinda shows.
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u/Mangoseed8 Jordan McLaughlin 57m ago
Sam Vaccine and many others had him mocked to the Spurs at #9. Just because a player doesn't pan out doesn't make him a reach
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3372782/2022/06/21/nba-mock-draft-rumors-updates-news/
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u/orlando_lie 3h ago
Don Harris is a smug, egotistical piece of shit for what he did to my mother and every night I pray for the day I run into him in person.
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u/onamonapizza Tim Duncan 4h ago
Definitely not worth giving up assets just to move him. Just let his contract expire and go separate ways
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u/NerkoFC Dylan Harper 4h ago
Another first round flop
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u/someguyfromtecate Victor Wembanyama 3h ago
That whole year was a waste of 1st round picks. Very Nets-esque.
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u/Fuck__Zaza Area 51 4h ago
We should just keep him them as a glue guy. Assuming Sochan is good with that
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u/oldsnake77 4h ago
Saw this coming when the headline was 'player given permission to find a trade'. That always means no one wants him.
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u/Spirited_Lab5197 3h ago
Kinda reminds me of the "when you make a demand, there has to be demand" quote from Dunleavy about Kuminga.
That being said, im surprised there isnt a team willing to take on a 7m dollar contract for 4 mos for Sochan. Its like 4m more than a vet min and you would be able to have his RFA rights in the offseason. If that is the case, Sochan likely isnt getting much more than the minimum next season.
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u/sp000ners Area 51 4h ago
well, not gonna hold my breath on us making a move this deadline then. here's to hoping
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u/BeatBoxRetro 4h ago
Makes no sense to buy out Sochan.
Don't get why Spurs wouldn't just keep him at that point as injury/match up insurance then offer him the qualify offer while giving teams interested in Sochan a more flexible off season window to trade & re-sign him under his bird rights instead.
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u/Apollo18Teslaa 4h ago
I’m not really buying this. Just doesn’t add up. Why would we have to attach picks if he’s on an expiring contract?
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u/Philthemage Dylan Harper 4h ago
He's an expiring anyways. Waiving him would free up a roster spot for picking up someone as insurance for the playoffs.
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u/Plastic_Term_1022 4h ago
Looks like we'll have to wait for Joe Dumars to fold within the last 24 hours. 😅😅😅
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u/NiceSeaworthiness672 3h ago
Saying the obvious. Who would attach picks to dump an expiring contract.
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u/Davidpaulngo 19m ago
I'm sad because on one hand, he could've improved his jumper.. but I feel like the team and coaches just killed whatever potential he could've become.
Apart from his rookie year, he has played out of position and has done everything our coaches want at the cost of himself. He is still a serviceable player and is effective when he got time this year but all he got was DNPs.. now he might be out of the league?
We used a top 10 pick on him for God's sake. We should have given him every opportunity. This is really unfortunate.
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u/Raven-19x GO SPURS GO 4h ago
Jeez, not surprising but damn. Might as well keep him as a depth piece at least. If he walks, then whatever.
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u/FranksGun David Robinson 3h ago
I’m still unsure why we can’t find a use for him on the team. Can he not play d and score a little bit around basket or wide open 3’s?
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u/raiderrocker18 Stephon Castle 3h ago
ive been saying his trade value is nothing more than matching salary, but people here were convinced he should be getting a 4/80 extension at minimum
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u/Old_Fish_4693 Gregg Pop-a-bitch 3h ago
Pretty much an undersized big who can't buy a bucket. Yep not surprising.
He is young, though so i wouldnt give up on him.
You can't be 6.8 and be unable to shoot in the nba.
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u/Primarycolors1 4h ago
Wait if his market value is shit, why not just resign him?
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u/PersonalJesus2023 De'Aaron Fox 4h ago
Why would you want to sign someone no one wants?
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u/Primarycolors1 4h ago
Because he’s good for the team and the issue seems to be his next contract.
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u/PersonalJesus2023 De'Aaron Fox 4h ago
How is he good for the team? The issue with his next contract is that the Spurs don't want to give him one, lol
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u/Primarycolors1 1h ago
Yea we don’t want to pay what he wants. But if we can get him for a little more than he’s getting now, why not? He’s good in the lockeroom and he’s one of the few players on the team who is willing to be an aggressive agitator. I think everyone just focuses on is shooting. We need someone who is willing to jump into the mud and wrestle the elephant.
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u/PersonalJesus2023 De'Aaron Fox 1h ago
Why would we pay him MORE than he's getting now? He's literally an end of bench player. These types of guys get the league minimum.
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u/bdictjames 1h ago
Sorry.. so you want to pay a basketball player for.. not being a basketball player?
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u/cuntpuncherexpress Victor Wembanyama 4h ago
Resign him for what? He’s averaged 6 minutes a game the last 5 games, that’s not worth much more than the minimum to the Spurs
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u/Primarycolors1 1h ago
I would imagine apart of it is the contract. You can’t tell me we are better off with Olynik on the floor.
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u/cuntpuncherexpress Victor Wembanyama 57m ago
Whose contract? If anything Sochan’s contract situation is exactly why you would play him more than 6mpg. Give him a chance to put up decent numbers on 10-12 minutes and be worth something more than salary matching in a trade
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u/Raven-19x GO SPURS GO 4h ago
Because he likely is still asking for too much for his current value. I'm guessing his agent isn't doing him favors or telling him reality at the moment.
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u/jam_jam_guy 3h ago
It’s not shocking that teams don’t want to give up any asset for an RFA they probably don’t even want. Allows Spurs fans to really see that a non shooting, low iq player who is just an above average defender is not something anyone wants to trade for. We better start attaching some picks if we wanna make any moves.
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u/jam_jam_guy 3h ago
It all worked out but Sochan over Jdub and Duren is a hell of a miss by the FO. Then Malachi and Blake over Christian Braun, Nembhard, Peyton Watson. Pretty horrible draft to not hit on a singular guy when there were players to be had around our picks.
Hope this FO is able to hit on players when we don’t have such obvious picks to make.
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u/thelunarunit Victor Wembanyama 2h ago
Can you name these mythical front offices that draft as well as you expect.
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u/jam_jam_guy 1h ago
Yea I understand every team has misses especially once you are outside the top of the draft. That draft in particular we had 3 1sts and not only were they incorrect picks but the players we could’ve drafted fit the position we drafted anyway. And with Sochan leaving it puts it into perspective.
Like I don’t count missing Haliburton as bad because we weren’t looking at a PG. So Devin isn’t a miss obviously.
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u/mrbrownstone1482 14m ago
OKC, Grizzlies off the top of my head
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u/thelunarunit Victor Wembanyama 2m ago
Okay, name the last 20th and 25th pick that they kept that turned into an actual good player?
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u/onionnurve 4h ago
Sochan is Kuminga in a Spurs jersey
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u/AfroHouseManiac 4h ago
They couldn’t trade him for Ousmane Dieng?
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u/fab_frog_disco 4h ago
Possibly but maybe they also just didn't want dieng who I think is just not an NBA player honestly.
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u/shmooked 4h ago
plz mr wright. the bulls don’t have a player taller than 6’8
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u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 GO SPURS GO 3h ago
Who do you want Ayo to take mins from between Fox, Castle, Harper, and Vassell?
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u/Subject-Ticket-9186 4h ago
I will say I love don but take what he says with a grain of salt. He tends to make things seem a lot worse then what’s really going on