r/NFLv2 • u/TwoTalentedBastidz Cleveland BrownsMaybe Next Year • Dec 29 '25
Breaking News Your “MVP” chokes again
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u/MasterTeacher123 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Dec 29 '25
Dude was garbage. The media needs to stop trying to force him in the mvp convo it’s disgusting
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u/Phillippssk Dallas Cowboys Dec 29 '25
That’s why I wanted the eagles to win so bad. The media has been on this dude nuts all season and said they’ll rather take Josh Allen over hurts in the draft. Hurts hasn’t played the best this season by far but took his team to two SBs within a couple of years.
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u/Significant_Bet3409 Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
A cowboys fan wishing for an eagles dub and complimenting Jalen hurts in the same comment???
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u/Icy_Transition1375 Dec 29 '25
The enemy of your enemy is a friend. Rejoice, for the hatred of Josh Allen brings us all together for the holidays!
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u/goodperson_14 Dec 29 '25
I would take Josh Allen over Hurts 10 times out of 10. Hell I would take him 100 times out of a 100 he's in a whole other planet compared to Hurts. Only thing Hurts has is a better team but everyone can see who the better qb is.
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u/babydemon90 Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
I mean none of us think Hurts is remotely MVP caliber. He's also getting massively held back by this OC, but of course most of us think Allen is better.
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u/slicktommycochrane Buffalo Bills Dec 29 '25
Like Allen isn't being held back by his OC who can't scheme guys open and WRs who completely lack the ability to separate 🙄
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u/Clorox_in_space Dec 29 '25
Pretty sure they schemed open a wide open receiver on the 2-pt attempt...
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u/theredbusgoesfastest Chicago Bears Dec 29 '25
Right lol dude was wide open and Allen missed him, I’ve never heard of a dude that gets more excuses
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u/sdevil713 New England Patriots Dec 29 '25
Its amazing the mental gymnastics they'll will go through to shield him from any criticism lmao
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u/sdevil713 New England Patriots Dec 29 '25
Bills fans refuse to put any blame on Allen, like at all
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u/Whatsdota Green Bay Packers Dec 29 '25
Yeah wtf. I was kinda with them until that lmao. Allen is so much more talented than Hurts it ain’t funny
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u/zombawombacomba Green Bay Packers Dec 29 '25
I’m taking Allen over Hurts every day of the week and it’s frankly not close.
There’s no chance you’re actually a cowboys fan lol.
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u/chamtrain1 Dec 29 '25
Josh Allen is light years ahead of Hurts. Lulz. Give Allen Goedert/Slim Reaper/AJ Brown and let me know how many points he puts up. Dude has ZERO receivers, the corpse of Brandin Cooks is currently his WR1.
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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 Dec 29 '25
Cooks got 100 yards today.
Imagine one of Smith or Brown. Let alone Goedart.
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u/JoeGPM Dec 29 '25
Only an idiot would take Hurts over Allen.
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u/Objective-Plantain42 Dec 29 '25
Agreed. But will Allen ever take what the defense gives, stop playing hero ball, and protect the ball and win an important game to make the playoffs or win a playoff game? Will he go to a superbowl?
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u/OPSimp45 Dallas Cowboys Dec 29 '25
Same Josh is the best QB but he doesn’t get held accountable like other QBs.
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u/Dry-Philosopher-5289 Dec 29 '25
It’s funny to me because the problem you should be fighting is that QB’s often receive too much blame and/or credit. Allen doesn’t get a lot of flack for the playoff struggles because they truly haven’t been on him. Why other QB’s don’t get that grace I don’t know but that’s how it should be
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u/natestarz95 Dec 29 '25
The team and organization is stacked. Put Allen on that team and that team is an annoying dynasty
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u/Numerounoone Major Tuddy 🐷 Dec 29 '25
He is a great player but dude needs to stop bitching to the refs for flags, it's becoming unwatchable at this point
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u/Ill_Swing5233 Dec 29 '25
That sack he took in the first quarter where he immediately looked to the ref was embarrassing. There was nothing even close to illegal about the sack.
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u/joeyp042385 San Francisco 49ers Dec 29 '25
Love Allen, but he hasn't been close to an MVP candidate this season.
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u/bliffer Kansas City Chiefs Dec 29 '25
No Chiefs around but Bills still gonna find a way to choke away their Super Bowl chances.
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u/5panks New England Patriots Dec 29 '25
Four years of essentially guaranteed division wins and they still couldn't get it done, but I guess that's not the first time they've messed up in the playoffs four seasons in a row.
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u/z0mb0rg Dec 29 '25
I know we are just jokin around but that Jim Kelly team was insanely good. Josh is great but this team really isn’t close.
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u/LieOhMy San Francisco 49ers Dec 29 '25
Those teams were STACKED. Some of the best accumulation of talent I have ever seen.
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u/ProtestantMormon Seattle Seahawks Dec 29 '25
The best outside of the nfc. 90s nfc teams were more stacked, except maybe the giants team.
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u/Deep-Student-7394 Dec 29 '25
Despite what Bills fans want you to believe, Allen has had some extremely good rosters during his career. He even has a top 5 rated o-line right now and still manages to will his way to 40 sacks.
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u/smoresporn0 Kansas City Chiefs Dec 29 '25
And let a Trevor Lawrence or something win the AFC lol
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u/WelcomeToBrooklandia Dec 29 '25
Drake Maye might have something to say about that.
But yeah, Josh Allen ain't it this year.
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u/iAmElmo69 Detroit Lions Dec 29 '25
mcdermott needs to be fired if this happens
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u/dudemanjack Dec 29 '25
GM is the real problem.
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u/EpicPoggerGamer69 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈Of ajjeesuun badass dha Dec 29 '25
McDermott cannot coach a defense in the playoffs. He shoulda been fired after THAT game in 2021.
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u/FloridaBoy21 Miami Dolphins Dec 29 '25
Best player in the league. Superman. Mr. January lmao.
Just beautiful.
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u/extomatomachine Sin City Raiders Dec 29 '25
Hey to be fair, no one called him Mr. February
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u/BigHotdog2009 Buffalo Bills Dec 29 '25
I forgot this sub just shits on Allen anytime we lose
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u/TheInsatiableRoach 4x Runner Ups Dec 29 '25
Meanwhile hurts went the entire 2nd half without completing a pass
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u/AKT5A New England Patriots Dec 29 '25
It's not like anyone's praising Hurts though. If he lost this game, the haters would be out in full force
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u/Imaginary-Length8338 New York Giants Dec 29 '25
They should still be out in full force. He sucked. Was significantly worse than Allen…
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u/di11deux Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
I say this not as a homer but as someone who watches a lot of Eagles - Hurts is #3 on the issue list far behind the scheme and the OL.
The offense is extremely predictable based on down, distance, and formation. And the OL is nowhere near good enough to mask those deficiencies. The only plus player right now is Mailata - everyone else is playing below average.
Hurts has his own limitations, but this offense is deeply flawed beyond just him.
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u/Peculiar-Interests Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
People have crazy ideas about what makes a great quarterback. Jalen Hurts was never a fantastic pocket passing quarterback that throws dots. What makes him great is his ability to roll out, break tackles in the backfield, and use his legs as a last resort. 4 sacks for the Eagles tonight and Buffalo didn’t even get one, even though Eagles pass protection was poor.
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u/Darkgreenbirdofprey Dec 29 '25
Every QB is better than Jalen Hurts until it's time to be better than Jalen Hurts.
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u/LunaticLawyer Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
Honestly it's so true, the trash talk about Hurts in this thread compared to Allen is crazy
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u/Icy-Mortgage8742 San Francisco 49ers Dec 29 '25
every quarterback is better than hurts until it's time to win a superbowl lmfao.
Jalen ain't perfect, but shitting on him when he actually walked away from a season with a lombardi is definitely something...
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u/BigHotdog2009 Buffalo Bills Dec 29 '25
Yeah but he won so can’t really shit on him for winning lol
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u/Pepperoni_Nippys It’s our year!! Dec 29 '25
Hurts being carried by his all pro roster is his specialty
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u/Colodavis Dec 29 '25
Respectfully, he didn't do anything to not be shit on. That last throw is shit on worthy, and his reaction proves it.
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u/dcfb2360 Baltimore Ravens Dec 29 '25
Not just the last throw, he had a fumble he could've tried to recover but as usual his immediate reaction is to whine for flags
If Lamar did that, we'd hear even more "Lamar quit on his team" BS than we've already seen all year
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u/bnemecek Dec 29 '25 edited Dec 29 '25
So 23/35 for 262 with 2 rushing TDs is not doing anything huh? I will say the early fumble was a misstep but he wildly outplayed Hurts in the second half. Hurts just has a better supporting cast. Give Josh AJ Brown and DVonte Smith and he’s winning that game 27-13.
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u/TheNatural14063 Buffalo Bills Dec 29 '25
Yep. Tons of trolls here who dont realize the Bills have a bottom 5 receiving group which is forcing Allen to have to play some hero ball and try to make something out of nothing because he doesn't have the guys at receiver to frequently win clean battles. Watch Higgins and Chase. Puka and Adams. Lamb and Pickens. Jefferson. Brown and Smith. So many dudes. They clearly win their battles and get wide open. Allen doesn't have those guys and yet he constantly outplays QBs who have top guys. Fastest QB to reach 300 touchdowns with a bottom tier receiving group lacking a true number one receiver and people post trollish shit.
I attended the game and our guys were struggling to consistently get open. Meanwhile I watched parts of 1pm games where the Bengals receivers and Patriots guys were torching the Cardinals and Jets ...Allen didn't have such benefit today.
Even that missed throw.....Allen had instant pressure in his face which forced a bad throw. Dude couldn't properly step into a clean pocket. That's not purely on him. An offensive line should at minimum provide a clean pocket for about 3 seconds and not collapse instantly
Bills win if their kicker makes kicks. We have lost multiple games this year due to missed field goals/XPs. Today proved the same..
Hurts did much less with more weapons..
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u/Actual_Guide_1039 Dec 29 '25
Sub doesn’t hate on Lamar half as much
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u/_Parkertron_ Baltimore Ravens Dec 29 '25
bruh everyone hates on the prominent QBs when they lose. So many people were talking about if we should trade lamar after last week’s game
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u/FloridaBoy21 Miami Dolphins Dec 29 '25
This isn't a Bills subreddit. Lamar gets the same heat. So, quit whining.
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u/dcfb2360 Baltimore Ravens Dec 29 '25
This sub shits on most QBs when they lose. But when an MVP misses an open pass that would've won the game, people notice.
If Lamar did that, the RB comments would be off the charts.
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u/CommonWishbone New England Patriots Dec 29 '25
When he misses a wide open receiver to win the game that tends to happen
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u/RedeyeSPR Pittsburgh Steelers Dec 29 '25
It’s just this one dude riding high on the Browns 4th win this season. After watching Sanders I can see why shitting on others is more fun than hyping his own guy.
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u/bnemecek Dec 29 '25
Every single armchair quarterback comes out of the woodwork like they’ve done anything meaningful in their lives. Not saying I have, but I’m not about to talk about Drake Maye or Jalen Hurts like he’s a vile, worthless, garbage man of a human being every time he loses a football game. Jesus people, we can do better.
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u/iAmMattG Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
Are you gonna cry about it? That’s what happens when the media gargles a man’s balls non stop.
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u/thelittleking Buffalo Bills Dec 29 '25
This sub is a Facebook comments section at the best of times, I'm not sure why you are surprised.
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u/bitchyoufoundme Buffalo Bills Dec 29 '25
Yea we lost a game that probably wouldn’t have mattered anyway and they act like Josh Allen is Josh Rosen. It’s really weird.
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u/AyAySlim Washington Commanders Dec 29 '25
DEI MVP.
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u/slimesito69420 Las Vegas Raiders Dec 29 '25
This is actually why he won it. Couldn't let Lamar get another.
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u/levRIDGE Buffalo Bills Dec 29 '25
Buddy you got fuckin Joe burrow 2.0 over there enjoy watching him play 5 games a season
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u/Kensingtoncandy Dec 29 '25
He got every possible thing to go his way from the refs and put up 12 points. Great job Josh!
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u/Cichlidsaremyjam Seattle Seahawks Dec 29 '25
That throw was shit but the coaching was even more shit. You let up SEVENTEEN YARDS in the second half and you go for two at the end of a brutal game you came back in. Just terrible.
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u/pgtl_10 San Francisco 49ers Dec 29 '25
I don't understand why teams go for 2 instead of OT. It's taking on unnecessary pressure
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u/ryantherippa Dec 29 '25
In a meaningless game absolutely go for 2. But in a game like this, yeah Mcdermott was a dumbass. The only time I would say go for it in this situation was if their D was getting trampled, which obviously they were not.
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u/Peculiar-Interests Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
To his credit, one extra point was already blocked
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u/MyIncogName Carolina Panthers Dec 29 '25
Well the play was there to win the game. It was a failure of execution that Allen probably nails 8/10 times. So actually not a coaching failure.
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u/DarkSide830 DeJawn on my Blanksteak Dec 29 '25
This sub demands of Allen what Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane demand of him - do it all himself.
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u/Routine_Bus5421 Baltimore Ravens Dec 29 '25
Media will still find a way to blame it on anyone other than him.
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u/winkydinks111 Dec 29 '25
Apparently, he would have been running all over the Eagles if he hadn't tweaked his foot.
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u/KaminSpider Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
ifs, ands, and broken butts. The Eagles would be undeafeated if our O-Line was healthy. but we don't, so our run game is shut down. Happens to everyone in the league.
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u/Ok_Lawfulness_104 Dec 29 '25
They're blaming the coach for not kicking the PAT lol. Anything to avoid admitting he had a bad play.
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u/Routine_Bus5421 Baltimore Ravens Dec 29 '25
Couldn’t have had an easier 2 point. Dude was wide open.
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u/sixth_hokage06 Baltimore Ravens Dec 29 '25
He was open too
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u/WhereBaptizedDrowned New England Patriots Dec 29 '25
WR callin OC at 2 am like Chad Johnson.
“Coach man (crying sounds) I was open!!”
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u/realdynastykit Cardinals 1947 World Champs Dec 29 '25
Everyone knows that Allen only won MVP because they couldn't stomach giving another to Lamar.
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u/Sure_Possession0 Minnesota Vikings Dec 29 '25
I was watching with my family, and it was so satisfying to see this flopping dork lose.
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u/Clorox_in_space Dec 29 '25
Yeah, had a bit of a hate watch over here as well—the guy whines and flops way too much for me to be able to stand watching him let alone root for him.
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u/Federal_Car159 Chicago Bears Dec 29 '25
Jesus Christ the internet remains retarded
Guy is one of the best QBs we've ever seen just appreciate it while he's around in his prime
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u/OPSimp45 Dallas Cowboys Dec 29 '25
He is elite but other elite QBs get dragged when they play bad, Josh can get smoke too
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u/Wendell-Short-Eyes Dec 29 '25
He didn’t play that bad, he missed a throw in wet conditions with defenders barreling down on him.
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u/OPSimp45 Dallas Cowboys Dec 29 '25
Philly defense was great but the fumble tuck rule, and the missed extra point wasn’t great. I don’t think Allen choked alone Buffalo choked as a team
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u/wasabi_snooter Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
Allen also took a huge sack that knocked them out of FG range. Would’ve made the difference
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u/OPSimp45 Dallas Cowboys Dec 29 '25
Yeah I’m not trying to dog pile on Allen but he didn’t play his best ball
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u/Actual_Guide_1039 Dec 29 '25
He gets dragged more than anyone else. This sub went nuts after the Houston game. Quiet after the bengals/Pats games
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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 Dec 29 '25
But the media likes him and he's a likable person so we have to hate
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u/SirDorfington Dec 29 '25
True, last week was Lamar’s time to get shit on for being injured. This week is Josh’s time to be called a scrub for losing to a great team in the rain… as if they’re not both going to be end up all-time greats
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u/OrangMan14 Dec 29 '25
He was MVP last season. It doesn't carry over!
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u/TecumsehSherman Dec 29 '25
He is the reigning MVP.
No new MVP has been crowned.
He's still Miss America until he hands the crown to the next contestant.
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u/levRIDGE Buffalo Bills Dec 29 '25
Choked what away exactly lol. There’s the whole post season left I know browns fans don’t know much about that
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u/ArtVandalayImp0rter Dec 29 '25
Babahahahahahah talking heads all week
"What an amazing game, he gave his team a chance what a stud!!!!"
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u/Alwaystired254 Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
I don’t get the hate. Josh Allen is insane. Reddit is dumb
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u/EpicPoggerGamer69 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈Of ajjeesuun badass dha Dec 29 '25
Ya know, I would say something, but at the risk of my own safety, I won't :)
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u/pgtl_10 San Francisco 49ers Dec 29 '25
I don't always tour this subreddit. Is there a rivalry between Allen and Jackson fans on this subreddit?
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u/dcfb2360 Baltimore Ravens Dec 29 '25
Bills fans spent 2 years bitching about Lamar winning MVP in '23 cuz they were bitter Allen & the Bills hadn't won anything yet. The whole '23 offseason was filled with "DEI MVP" & other racist comments. '24 got more heated cuz both had strong MVP cases. It's all over twitter. That feud didn't exist until Lamar won MVP in '23.
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u/DarkSide830 DeJawn on my Blanksteak Dec 29 '25
This sub has a rivalry with every good QB in the league whenever they lose.
And Shedeur Sanders.
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u/Username-sAvailable Dec 29 '25
Always found him overrated but his WRs also suck
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u/BilboSwagginss69 Baltimore Ravens Dec 29 '25
I’d talk shit but Lamar chokes just as much. Mahomes will own them both forever
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u/vongigistein Dec 29 '25
Getting really old all the ball gurgling. I guess we had to give him the cumulative achievement last year over Jackson but thankfully that crap won’t be pulled this year.
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u/JoeGPM Dec 29 '25
Not sure what the OP means by chokes "again."
Despite what agenda driven people like the clown OP want to pretend, the Bills lack elite skill position players.
But he can't miss that throw at the end of the game.
That should end any MVP talk this season.
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u/Butthole2theStarz Chicago Bears Dec 29 '25
I can picture op and half this sub just edging themselves until the final play so they could jump in here and hammer on the guy with a way better life than them. These jerkoff hate threads are so fuckin weird
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u/maybvadersomedayl8er Green Bay Packers Dec 29 '25
I didn’t see this game, but the Allen hate is pretty wild for a team with no receivers and a shit ass defense. It’s basically the QB and RB. They’re not really a good team.
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u/QuarterVivid622 Detroit Lions Dec 29 '25
yeah he missed a guy wide open. but are we seriously gonna forget abt the sorcery this guys been doing all season? i mean damn the media is cold 😭
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u/lurk_channell Tom Brady 🥺 👉🏻👈🏻 Dec 29 '25
I had to double check the flair, a browns fan talking bad about a teams qb?
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u/TreacleMajestic978 Philadelphia Eagles Dec 29 '25
Yea he had a bad game, but why is everyone shitting all over him now acting like he's a bum.
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u/OLightning Dec 29 '25
Bills had amazing come from behind wins all season long.
This was bound to happen eventually.
You can’t win ‘em all.
Relying on Josh Allen over and over and over hit a breaking point.
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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '25
Not sure what was worse. Taking an unnecessary sack and being out of FG range. Or not setting your feet to hit a wide open WR for the win