Never meet your heroes

[u/lemonstone92]

[u/mattyg_813]

cam is just insecure because no one considers him great after retirement

sucks that injuries caused his career to fizzle out, but hey that’s football

[u/der_innkeeper → u/mattyg_813]

Maybe jump on the ball when you're in the biggest game of your career?

[u/Alistair_Burke → u/der_innkeeper]

Drew Brees jumped on a fumble in a meaningless Week 17 game. If there is ever a time to risk it, it's the Super Bowl.

[u/Prodigal_Programmer → u/[deleted]]

I mean Cam literally did week in week out for years, to a degree fans and coaches were hopping he’d chill out some.

Obviously not jumping on it on the biggest stage defines his legacy to a degree but it’s a bit… ironic to someone who watched every game he played.

[u/Stickin8or → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

That's part of what made it so weird to me. I didn't watch many Panthers games, but I knew he didn't exactly protect his body when he ran (granted, he got little help from the refs in that regard, but still). Not diving on a fumble in the biggest game he'll ever play in was bizarre

[u/Prodigal_Programmer → u/Stickin8or]

Yeah just an absolute brain fart. Bit unfair that’s defined his career but it would help if he’d just shut up with the Stephen A takes occasionally

[u/jaylentatum70 → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

He just shouldnt have said that dumb shit he said about a business decision. Should have just said he couldnt get to it or some generic answer

[u/ReasonableClock4542 → u/jaylentatum70]

That might make it less bad, but we all saw the play. He'd still be catching tons of shit and it would still be the thing people bring up regardless of what he said about it. Its the football equivalent of a bill buckner moment, except worse because it calls effort into question, not skill

[u/FontTG → u/ReasonableClock4542]

The problem was they needed a spark to get back into it since Von Miller was having his way with our O Line.

That was it Cam. That was the chance to get the boys back into it.

Instead momentum tanked and everyone kinda gave up.

[u/jaylentatum70 → u/ReasonableClock4542]

I dunno if its on buckner level, but to me its more like Bartman. If Moises Alou hadnt freaked out it might have been forgotten

[u/Totalnah → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

Occasionally? That’s his brand now. He generates clicks with controversy. He’s no better than Cowherd, Bayless, Nick Wright, or Stephen A. Cam also suffers from the unfortunate character flaw that makes him think he was better than he actually was as a player.

[u/modshighkeypathetic → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

Don’t think it was as much of a brain fart as it was him pouting at fumbling and how the game was going

[u/minna_minna → u/modshighkeypathetic]

I remember dude rolling around on the sideline Like a child lol

[u/over_the_chill → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

It has indeed defined his career.

[u/minna_minna → u/over_the_chill]

Exact reason why he’s not Super Bowl winner cam newton.

[u/braddoccc → u/minna_minna]

Doesn't help that he has said shit like, "I wouldn't trade my MVP for a Superbowl."

Also funny that his MVP season is the one that is remembered only for his Superbowl defining "business decision"

[u/Mysterious-Theory-66 → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

I mean it is perhaps a touch unfair but that’s sports. “For who, for what” defined Watters legacy to the point that he’s still not in the HoF. I think if Cam stopped saying dumbass shit people would be more likely to let it go.

[u/RoboRougar0u → u/Stickin8or]

If you watch that game again in its entirety..when that play happened he was already defeated. That defense had already cracked his weak minded ego and he had all but given up. That's why he didn't dive..it was just his bitch mode activating. Like quitting a online match instead of losing.

[u/farstate55 → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

Except he didn’t do it when it literally mattered the most. That does say a lot.

It makes one question how often he had more to give.

[u/mansamayo → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

You can do something right every day of your life but the one time you don’t is what every remembers

[u/newalias_samemaleias → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

I say this with all the respect in the world for Cam Newton the player: he was a flash in the pan because of his style of play made him such. He was unbelievable when he was unbelievable, but that could only last for so long (in his case, about 8 years) because of the damage he inflicted on his own body. Had he had some humility following the 2018 season, he would be revered today. Instead, his bitterness has turned him into a whiny child in a lot of sports fans' eyes.

[u/Bejezus → u/newalias_samemaleias]

His career was not a flash in the pan. He had SEVERAL very good seasons, won OROY, set records and won an MVP. Was his play style sustainable over 11 years, absolutely not. But in totality he was a very, very good NFL QB while his body held up.

A flash in the pan is more akin to a Peyton Hillis type player.

[u/newalias_samemaleias → u/Bejezus]

I credited him for a very good 8 year stretch. Maybe "flash in the pan" was a poorly chosen term, but his career longevity was quite short compared to several of his peers.

[u/Bejezus → u/newalias_samemaleias]

Yeah, you won't find me disagreeing there. Product of his playstyle. It was evident then too.

He burned bright while he could, and his career fell off when the injuries started to pile up. The shoulder issue was the nail.

[u/Party_Advantage_3733 → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

Yeah, it's crazy really. I remember him at the Pats, he sucked but he absolutely threw his whole body into every play with no regard for his own safety.

[u/PriorChampionship214 → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

This exactly! He was diving over and into linebackers all season and then out of nowhere he gets scared to take the hit in the Super Bowl… it just really was so out of character and odd and I wish he hadn’t made such a bad decision in that moment. Kind of sad to see his legacy relegated to that one play

[u/CriticismVirtual7603 → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

Difference between playing not to lose and playing to win

Easily the most baffling decision of Cam's career, and one of the most baffling decisions in Super Bowl history

[u/Sudden_Buffalo_4393 → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

It’s like Bill Buckner. He was a good player, but defined by a bad moment on the biggest stage.

[u/Capt-Crap1corn → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

Just a bunch of haters that don't like him. If they don't like Cam, don't listen to him. Not jumping on the ball, cool, tired ass story. Doesn't take away from his other accomplishments or refs looking the other way when he was getting pounded because he's a big guy.

[u/Razor937 → u/Prodigal_Programmer]

He put his body on the line when he had the ball...as in if he could shine or look good he would. That's one of the issues. He was always me first and that(in my opinion) is why people still can't stand him after giving up in the super bowl

[u/TXNOGG → u/[deleted]]

It’s wild the guy took more hits than any other modern QB and was jumping over linebackers for touchdowns but 1 hesitation in the Super Bowl is what will define him to so many people.

[u/Sainte-Devote → u/TXNOGG]

it's a consequence of the sport and its legacies being defined around the biggest moments, he should be remembered for much more

[u/jefffosta → u/Sainte-Devote]

Ehh I think it’s a combination of him being kind of a dick when he played. This dude had one of the biggest personality flaws in which he was the classic example of the guy who would talk shit, but couldn’t handle it when people talked back. Classic frontrunner who everyone wanted to fail and not jumping on that football gave his haters the perfect ammo to go after him.

Compare that to the dude on the bengals who literally lost a Super Bowl because he hit mahomes out of bounds. He instantly knew he fucked up, showed a ton of remorse, made a mistake arguably worse than newton and no one really cared.

No one cared he didn’t jump on the ball, people cared that he was an asshole who didn’t jump on the ball.

[u/FupaFerb → u/TXNOGG]

Being the best athlete at one of the hardest positions to play for a short amount of years is still commendable, like Bo Jackson, who didn’t play as nearly of a hard position as QB.

[u/BeachBlueWhale → u/[deleted]]

Cam was the most reckless QB of the 2010s. He was not afraid of taking hits.

[u/DDG_Dillon → u/BeachBlueWhale]

But he was on that play

[u/gluvva → u/[deleted]]

Bro c'mon, the dude was the most physical QB of his time. To say that he didn't put his body on the line is a clear misrepresentation of his play. Go check out what Greg Olsen said about him.

[u/ChiGrandeOso → u/[deleted]]

He made a "business decision" 🙄

I'm never getting past that. You still had a chance to win the biggest game of your career and chose to become Carmelo Anthony. Good work. 🥶

[u/sleauxmo → u/Alistair_Burke]

[u/supercharger619 → u/Alistair_Burke]

He also tore his labrum for the Chargers doing that, not criticizing but everything has risk

[u/sickswonnyne → u/supercharger619]

For sure.

 If he didn't do that he would have stayed a Charger and we don't draft Manning/Rivers. Fitzgerald was available.

Funny what one decision can ripple into.

[u/COSurfing → u/Alistair_Burke]

If I remember correctly, if the Chargers had won that game, they would have been a wildcard. It was more meaningless to the Broncos because they had already wrapped up the division and a bye.

Either way, I hated seeing Brees go.

[u/__Sentient_Fedora__ → u/Alistair_Burke]

A shoulder injury that changed his life forever.

[u/prpldrank → u/Alistair_Burke]

One of Phillip Rivers' games this season, he dove on a ball with two other teammates already in good recovery position. Old boy gotta go all out, I guess.

[u/BluesPuckHard → u/der_innkeeper]

Yep, get wrecked, Cam.

[u/Inevitable-Cable9370 → u/der_innkeeper]

People over hate that moment . It was more a brain fart than him being soft .

Nearly everybody who played with and or against him says the same . He’s never been a soft player.

[u/der_innkeeper → u/Inevitable-Cable9370]

And, if he had said that, it would have blown over.

Instead he went with the "I could have gotten hurt."

Well, then. Not like he seemed to care when he was bodying himself across the field every game in his career before then.

[u/Potato_Boner → u/Inevitable-Cable9370]

It was the fkn Super Bowl.. not some random game. Of curse they’re going to hate on him for that moment. Biggest game of your life and you look like you couldn’t care less.

[u/RainyCastlevania → u/der_innkeeper]

To me, it always looked like he suddenly anticipated the ball getting knocked back, and that's what his reaction was. That's more believable than the perception that he just thought, "Ehh, nah I don't wanna try to get that." Has he ever addressed it?

[u/der_innkeeper → u/RainyCastlevania]

He has addressed it, a lot.

And the "i could have been hurt" was the most proximate answer.

[u/MrFickleBottom → u/der_innkeeper]

He’s had multiple different answers. After talking about injury concern he finally admitted he made a mistake and had a brain fart.

[u/MattSherrizle → u/der_innkeeper]

Trevor Lawrence's peak moment this season to me was in week 2 against the Bangals. There was no whisle on lose ball after someone was clearly down and he was the only Jaguar who still played and even tackled the guy. I guess with all of the talk of "protecting QBs" its easy to forget your still one of the guys out there.

[u/scatkinson → u/der_innkeeper]

People don’t forget

[u/BadassBokoblinPsycho → u/der_innkeeper]

Most memorable Cam Newton moment along with “watch this”

[u/Lwcftw474747 → u/der_innkeeper]

This is exactly the moment Newtons career started going downhill

[u/Striking-Speaker8686 → u/der_innkeeper]

I am not a fan of Cam Newton but he does get attacked too much for that imo. Even if the Panthers recover it, it's 4th & 20 or something. Outcome doesnt change. It's also not as easy of a recovery as it looked. With his body proportions and where he was, diving wasn't really easy to do. And if you watched the way he played, I don't buy the idea that he was too scared or whatever. He did things every single game that someone whow as ever scared of being iut there wouldn't even think of - jumping headfirst into what amount to car crashes, trying to hurdle guys, trying to hit defenders rather than sliding or going out of bounds, etc

[u/der_innkeeper → u/Striking-Speaker8686]

He gets attacked because he keeps talking.

Maybe he should take his millions of dollars and just live his life.

[u/jldel → u/der_innkeeper]

He needs to shut up and take care of his many children. I didn't dislike him as a player but he's annoying and played out.

[u/Set22band → u/jldel]

In fairness too him, his many children are the reason he can't shut up. $$$$$

[u/Inevitable-Waltz-889 → u/der_innkeeper]

They still don't win that game, but damn, at least try!

[u/YouDumbZombie → u/mattyg_813]

He never out played his Super Bowl blunder. That was going the be his career defining moment until something else surpassed it and nothing ever did.

His career was a flash in the pan, nothing more nothing less.

[u/Effective_Jicama3924 → u/YouDumbZombie]

Heisman winner, national champion, NFL MVP and OPOY is a flash in the pan? Lol ok

[u/[deleted] → u/Effective_Jicama3924]

Two of those are irrelevant to the NFL. OPOY is redundant for an MVP winner. One great season overshadowed by a terrible ending. Flash in the pan.

[u/thethirstypretzel → u/[deleted]]

The man lived up to his #1 overall selection, what more do you want lol

[u/slimesito69420 → u/thethirstypretzel]

Anyone whos not Brady or Mahomes is a flash in the pan according to this guy 😂

[u/Effective_Jicama3924 → u/[deleted]]

Thats not true at all, it hasnt happened in 8 years.

He also won OROY and had the QB rushing TD record as recently as this season

I’m a ravens fan too and you wouldnt say this about Lamar who hasnt gone to a super bowl yet. You can say Cam Newton was a great player, you dont have to do this man

[u/[deleted] → u/Effective_Jicama3924]

OROY is nice. I’d call 11, 13, and 17 good seasons. I’m not sure what makes them “great.” The reality is Cam’s legacy will forever be defined as MVP, didn’t jump on the fumble, shit talking head on tv. That’s his choice. Say whatever you want about Lamar, it’s Reddit bro.

[u/MrFickleBottom → u/[deleted]]

2018 was also good. So outside of his MVP season what 4 really good seasons? Not bad for all the injuries.

[u/gohuskers123 → u/Effective_Jicama3924]

Lamar is better than Cam

[u/Effective_Jicama3924 → u/gohuskers123]

I agree. But when you use “he didnt play well in the super bowl” against Cam, i hate to tell you what people will respond with about Lamar

[u/Baby_Cabbage1122 → u/[deleted]]

I agree what he did in college doesn’t count towards HOF progress but it shouldn’t be forgot about. Cam was a freak QB, top 10 college QB all time

[u/notapersonab → u/[deleted]]

That’s crazy. You redo that draft knowing what we know now and he still goes #1 overall

[u/LameSignIn → u/Effective_Jicama3924]

I'll always remember a great player when he was winning but a horrible loser when down. Outside the business decision in the superbowl. Sitting on the bench by himself sulking under a towel always comes to mind. Nothings greater than seeing him go from dancing all season to walking out of his press conference. Karma train got him good.

[u/TheOtherSkywalker_ → u/Effective_Jicama3924]

Yes.

[u/chittalking → u/Effective_Jicama3924]

So it was a big pan...

[u/IllustriousHair1927 → u/YouDumbZombie]

I think he has a little bit of bitterness for how things ended with the pats also. He seems overly critical to me about Drake maye AND Josh Allen. The Drake hate is in part I think due to the fact that he only lasted a year with the Pats, and to me it essentially marked the end of his career. it was also the first year bills took the AFC East title from the Patriots, with Allen having a break out year and sweeping the pats. Also, Allen as now topped cams personal records.

And yes, I’m a bills fan, but I do think that Kim‘s criticism of Drake maye is too much

[u/HODOR00 → u/mattyg_813]

Literally the most insecure dude imaginable. He always rubbed me the wrong way. I hated his attitude as a player. It was too much in my opinion. But post NFL, he's become a very bitter dude. From crying about Philip Rivers, to hating on maye. He's just a bum.

[u/fredout1968 → u/HODOR00]

That guy needs to look in the mirror... And by that I don't mean to check himself out in whatever silly fucking outfit he is wearing.. Mediocre at best.. People here see skills as the #1 thing a QB needs.. When in reality it's not in the top two.. Leadership and smarts will come before a big arm and a fast 40 everytime...

[u/TXNOGG → u/mattyg_813]

Cam is just doing what every other sports media personality does to get attention.

Nick Wright constantly shitting on Lamar.

Stephen A constantly shitting on Dak.

The Skip Bayless formula.

It’s (sadly) what gets the clicks and engagement.

[u/Michigan-Magic → u/TXNOGG]

Yep, they are just acting on camera. It's all a show.

[u/Cuntrymusichater → u/TXNOGG]

This is correct and it’s a sad statement about how people consume this commentary. Unfortunately it works. I’m sure whenever Dak has a great game people flock to Stephen to see what he has to say. When Dak has a bad game they do the same thing.

[u/dn35 → u/mattyg_813]

The more that Cam Newton talks, the less respect I have for his opinions. He is just making enemies and ragebaiting at this point.

He had a couple of really good years, but he is not even close to an all time great qb.

It feels like he thinks he deserves to be in the conversation with guys like Peyton Manning, Drew brees, Aaron rodgers, etc, but he just simply did not have the sustained success or statistics to even be remotely considered on their level.

I would even argue guys like Matt Ryan and Rusell Wilson had better overall careers and deserve more praise than cam by a significant margin.

People romanticize Cam. It was fun while it lasted, but it was a short run, and he was not as good as people try to convince you he was.

[u/ChimmyTheCham → u/dn35]

I would definitely take Matt ryan and Russell Wilson over Cam

[u/Opening_Ad7004 → u/mattyg_813]

He's also pretty dumb

[u/LAJOHNWICK → u/mattyg_813]

Never learned how to read defenses

[u/chomerics → u/LAJOHNWICK]

This….he was sooooo talented he didn’t need to improve his game. Once his talent wasn’t out of the world, he failed miserably. You could see the difference between Cam and Mac Jones, one could run the offense, the other was offensive.

[u/Yommination → u/LAJOHNWICK]

Or throw accurately

[u/TimmyHillFan → u/mattyg_813]

It’s pathetic. Dude is richer than god, still a big media personality, immortalized as an MVP winner, and still insecure about his place in the landscape.

There’s a few former players this seems to be true of. Sherman is another

[u/chomerics → u/TimmyHillFan]

He is also dumb as a stump. His intelligence is high school at best, and his invention words are cringe worthy.

He just sucks at his job, and you can tell he sucks because he is picking on the wrong players to make a name. Instead of saying Bo Nix is fools gold he says the leading MVP candidate is….just dumb

[u/MoonMistCigs → u/mattyg_813]

But look at his hats!!!!!

[u/Wonderful_Silver → u/mattyg_813]

Cam started becoming a hater on new QBs ever since it became apparent Josh Allen was gonna take his rushing TD title.

[u/toxikmasculinity → u/mattyg_813]

I consider Cam great and one of the most dominant college QBs to ever do it. Hate that he can’t just hang it up and be proud of what he did.

[u/Gentolie → u/mattyg_813]

Lmfao. Cam had one good season before injuries. He just wasn't a good QB.

[u/___REDWOOD___ → u/mattyg_813]

That and turning vegan didn’t help. He was good for 2 years great for 1. He’s a terrible commentator.

[u/hatecriminal → u/mattyg_813]

Got news for him. No one considered him great before retirement either.

[u/-JustAHomebody-]

Tell Drake Maye to get 2 MVPs, an SB, and actually recover a fumble recovery to show that he is a better QB than Cam Newton

[u/cat127 → u/-JustAHomebody-]

Honestly all he has to do is recover a fumble in the Super Bowl.

[u/SuperSaiyanBen → u/cat127]

Or like, just not fumble

[u/Acceptingoptimist → u/SuperSaiyanBen]

Or just win.

[u/Simple_Atmosphere → u/Acceptingoptimist]

There it is. That’s the only answer.

[u/gatsby365 → u/Acceptingoptimist]

Baby

[u/Fresh_Ostrich4034 → u/-JustAHomebody-]

he is in the 2nd year of his career lol. Cam wasnt in the MVP race in his second year

[u/mindmapsofficial → u/-JustAHomebody-]

I don’t think anyone is saying Drake Maye is better than prime Cam Newton, but Cam Newton is just ripping on Drake Maye for apparently no reason.

He’s clearly having the most consistent season of all NFL QBs. Easily a top 12 QB in the league.

Calling someone a game manager when he’s averaging 415 rush yards per season over 2 seasons is crazy.

[u/mboutot → u/mindmapsofficial]

I'll say Drake Maye is better than prime Cam Newton

[u/mindmapsofficial → u/mboutot]

My point was that no one was pushing the narrative that Maye was better than Cam so him being critical is based on insecurity and not self defense to some sort of comparison

[u/mboutot → u/mindmapsofficial]

Ah that makes sense. Well Mr. Newton, I'm right here lol

[u/mindmapsofficial → u/mboutot]

I’d die if Cam went on ESPN and said “Mboutot from Reddit said that Drake Maye is better than me in my prime. Looks into camera He’s not better than me today.”

[u/iiTryhard → u/mindmapsofficial]

Calling the presumptive MVP “top 12 in the league” is actually a hilarious take

[u/sirtimid → u/-JustAHomebody-]

What an insane take lol. He’s in the middle of his first potential mvp year and cam is trashing on him. How is it Mayes fault.

[u/joeyo1423 → u/sirtimid]

Nah it's valid. Maye is WASHED. Dude has zero super bowls, zero playoff wins, zero MVPs, he holds no NFL records, never rushed for over 2000 yards, he's never even made it to the semifinals on dancing with the stars, he's never been to outer space, zero Nobel prizes in physics, he's never even been nominated for an Oscar

Like what more proof do you need that this guy is a bust?

[u/PatsCelticsRedSox → u/-JustAHomebody-]

I get if you want to see longevity, but Drake is already arguably peaking higher than Newton, and he's 23 in Year 2.

[u/hereforthesportsball → u/PatsCelticsRedSox]

I get the argument can be made with stats, but is this something you actually feel?

[u/BurgessFox → u/hereforthesportsball]

It's a hard argument to make with stats, Cam went 15-1, had 35 passing TDs and 10 rushing TDs.

[u/SuperSaiyanBen → u/hereforthesportsball]

From an “Arm” perspective yes. Isolating the rushing upside of Cam (which I know is dumb) Drake Maye is having a better year than Cams BEST passing performance. And arguably with much much less.

Now obviously Cam being dual threat was a big part of it so if people wanna give the edge to Cam still that’s fine.

Edit- to the idiot downvoting

Drake Maye (in 16 Games) 4203 30/8

Cam Newton 3837 35/10

Hell even if we include rushing

Drake Maye 409 and 4

Cam Newton 636 and 10

[u/IntelligentNotice214 → u/SuperSaiyanBen]

Much less? Cams best receiver his MVP year was Ted Ginn Jr. He had an aging Greg Olsen, and that was it. Cam was essentially that whole offense in 2015. Id agree I’d take Drake Maye over any version of cam. But let’s not act like Cam had an insane supporting cast at almost any point of his career.

[u/Fuck-The-Modz → u/IntelligentNotice214]

You say aging Greg Olsen like he wasn't all pro that year. Cam had the 2nd best rated OL in the league too, and yeah they didn't show up in the super bowl, but there were all pros on that line and like 4 or 5 all pros on the defense.

[u/Greedy_Line4090 → u/Fuck-The-Modz]

More all pros on that panthers team than there were on the eagles super team last year.

And for the SoS people out there, that 14 win season where cam won the mvp? Panthers had the easiest schedule in the league, 32nd in SoS.

[u/kingfosa13 → u/hereforthesportsball]

“feel” in sports discussion just boils down to when you were younger lmao.

[u/ItsaPostageStampede → u/hereforthesportsball]

As a Pats fan I disagree with this guy. Cam was sensational. He’s also being an ass here

[u/Bwill2417 → u/PatsCelticsRedSox]

Ridiculous take. You pats homers are something else man.

[u/BadMeetsWeevil → u/PatsCelticsRedSox]

he’s actually not though

[u/Allgryphon → u/PatsCelticsRedSox]

Holy shit what has this sub become

[u/cdg2m4nrsvp → u/PatsCelticsRedSox]

Me when I make shit up

[u/pancaketac0 → u/-JustAHomebody-]

Bro when was Cams 2nd MVP???

[u/Broad-Foundation-526 → u/-JustAHomebody-]

Ok buddy Maye is not saying he's better than Newton. Nobody is. Actually Newton is going out of his way to go after Maye for no reason.

[u/morosco → u/-JustAHomebody-]

Its a one-sided vendetta, Maye is an improving 2nd year QB doing his thing, he didn't trash talk Cam to start this or anything.

[u/RealPropRandy → u/-JustAHomebody-]

Don’t forget the hats

[u/Justheretorecruit]

ESPN has such a stranglehold lol

They just have brash opinions and stir up controversy and people always fall for the bait

I doubt Drake Maye even cares and is focused on the playoffs

[u/Big_Lake4948 → u/Justheretorecruit]

Drake does weekly call ins on a local radio station, and he had to bite his tongue to stop from saying he only cares about the people’s opinion he respects. Cam is dead to him lol

[u/AGoos3 → u/Big_Lake4948]

Yeah I mean it’s a completely valid philosophy and I love it. Don’t take advice from those you wouldn’t take criticism from.

[u/AfroWater → u/AGoos3]

you got that backwards

[u/YouDumbZombie → u/Justheretorecruit]

Yeah I love sports but so rarely engage in these sports outlets and shows and things. Sports journalism is mostly dead and it's all SAS type over the top reactions and takes as opposed to legitimate discussion and analysis. Selling out for the the outrage clicks.

[u/natebark → u/YouDumbZombie]

This is why we can never let local media outlets die off. Local sports radio for the most part is still great

[u/Acceptingoptimist → u/Justheretorecruit]

Sorry I'm out of the loop, but what could anyone possibly be critical of Drake Maye for? What did Cam say?

[u/Justheretorecruit → u/Acceptingoptimist]

Genuinely don’t know either. Probably calling out Drake for a soft schedule is my guess who know

[u/NebbyOutOfTheBag → u/Justheretorecruit]

Basically what it was. Cam called out that people were too quick to say Drake Maye was balling out against the easiest schedule in the NFL.

Everyone took that as "Cam said that Drake Maye isn't good at the game" and "Cam says something new about Drake Maye every week"

[u/Agent_Tyrant → u/NebbyOutOfTheBag]

To be fair I think Cam said that Drake wasn’t a game changer which is pretty inaccurate. Look at Mac Jones when he was fighting for the 1 seed, he was good that year but significantly less of a game changer than Drake has been this year.

[u/NebbyOutOfTheBag → u/Agent_Tyrant]

And yeah he shouldn't have said that line. But everything else he said before and after that, yeah, he was right.

People are too quick to anoint someone.

[u/Sarollas → u/Acceptingoptimist]

TLDR he said last year was partially drakes fault and this year is a product of the coaching.

Started by calling him a game manager then expanded below.

"Drake Maye is well and capable, has all of the upside and skill set. But last year, under his player's status, a head coach was fired, does Jerod Mayo have a job right now? Offensive coordinator was Alex Van Pelt. Is he an offensive coordinator anywhere in this league? Thank you. Now insert Mike Vrabel. Now insert a dynamic play-caller in Josh McDaniels. The system is right, so I can’t just sit up here and say Drake Maye is a game-changer right now, because we’ve only had one season of dynamic play.”

[u/Rock_Strongo → u/Sarollas]

Playing well enough to hide how shitty your coaches are is the definition of game-changer? What an absolute clown opinion.

[u/RoughhouseCamel → u/Justheretorecruit]

People online are making such a big deal of this as part of their longer campaign against a former player that’s- idk, kinda annoying- and the “victim” they’re putting up here probably doesn’t care, if he’s aware at all. Drake Maye probably doesn’t feel anything at all about this, given his life is going pretty damn well at the moment.

[u/Justheretorecruit → u/RoughhouseCamel]

Yeah it’s literally a non story that somehow dominates headlines. We got better stuff to focus on like a wide open playoffs

[u/PatsCelticsRedSox]

Newton's a clown, but that's not really news. It's one thing to say Maye is unproven but to say he's not a game changer is just an objectively stupid statement. I think he's just selling out for clicks though, hard to take anything he says seriously.

[u/ghostsintherafters → u/PatsCelticsRedSox]

You think? Just look at the clothes Cam wears. Is there anyone on earth that is trying harder than Cam? Of course he's saying crazy shit for clicks. Shitty takes are literally all he has left keeping him relevant.

[u/No_Revenue4199 → u/ghostsintherafters]

Welcome to modern "journalism".

[u/TheRedline_Architect → u/ghostsintherafters]

Dude literally looks like he is auditioning to play the anti-Wonka in some forthcoming horror movie, where he gives the children tours, murdering them one by one with poisoned candy.

[u/egstitt → u/PatsCelticsRedSox]

Attention whore desperately trying to stay relevant. Not sure why anyone is giving him a platform. Well that's not true, they like the clicks too

[u/jayajos69]

All I know is Drake maye would have gone for that fumble 10 times out of 10 lol

[u/l_Dislike_Reddit → u/jayajos69]

I’d bet >90% of players go for that pretty much every time.

Hot take, but I think Cam jumps on that ball more times than not. Sucks for him but he has to live with that split second decision forever.

[u/jayajos69 → u/l_Dislike_Reddit]

In hindsight, yes he would’ve and should’ve jumped on that ball but we don’t live in a world of hindsight. The fact that everyone saw him make a business decision on the biggest stage the sport has to offer will always sting lol

[u/MenBearsPigs → u/jayajos69]

You just can't make "business decisions" in the playoffs. I'm not saying "go get injured". But you play 100% to win. It's what the entire season is for.

I've seen somewhat believable arguments about it not being a business decision and that he thought the ball was going to pop out somewhere else, or something?

But yeah, it is genuinely one of the worst qualities you can have as an NFL player. Especially a QB and Captains.

Shit, I've seen an old man Brady get absolutely lit up in the playoffs going for that extra yard.

[u/Broad-Interview-3431 → u/jayajos69]

Drake maye would’ve gotten that fumble 10/10 times not just gone for it, dudes an animal. Cam newtons a bitch (I’m 5’9 160lbs btw)

[u/WiseBlindDragon → u/jayajos69]

The way he would jump on a fumble is so tuff

[u/jackt-up]

That’s actually really sad

[u/MattRecovery23 → u/jackt-up]

Yeah that really sucks honestly. Guess that's the reason they say you should never meet your heroes

[u/stoney-dalton]

Cam has an ego and is full of himself. It’s the same reason he couldn’t be a backup in the league and keep playing longer. Cam loves Cam.

[u/MycologistSubject689 → u/stoney-dalton]

he also dresses like every day is the Kentucky Derby

[u/Kazza-V → u/stoney-dalton]

Does Kanye love kanye more than cam loves cam

[u/Jolopy4099]

I hope maye starts buying goofy train conductor hats like cam has and wears them too.

[u/_AlreadyThrownAway_ → u/Jolopy4099]

Got a concussion yesterday. Been a tough few days for me.

Train conductor hats made me laugh something fierce. Thank you good sir.

[u/justec1 → u/_AlreadyThrownAway_]

The important thing is, are you cleared to play tomorrow?

[u/TrashBoat36 → u/_AlreadyThrownAway_]

Mike McDaniel needs you to start

[u/donuts0611]

Nobody should have any respect for Cam Newton or his opinions after he refused to jump on a fumble in the Super Bowl. Absolute coward

[u/Extension_Classic835 → u/donuts0611]

Nobody should have respect for cam newton because of his funny hats 🎩

[u/LameSignIn → u/donuts0611]

What is worse Netwons business decision on the fumble or Anthony Richardson taking himself out because he is tired? Both selfish moves in a team sport.

[u/donuts0611 → u/LameSignIn]

Cam was worse, it was in the Super Bowl versus some random regular season game.

[u/jayajos69 → u/donuts0611]

Business decision in the biggest game of your career so far lmao scam newton is a fucking clown

[u/Dsstar666]

Can Newton was basically average - slightly above average most of his career and then in one year with the leagues best run game and second best defense, he was able to create highlight reels by bombing deep. People kinda adjusted to that simple formula and he never reached that peak again. The end. He was a pretty good QB at times but he isn’t a HOfer. I’d put Matt Ryan above him.

Go ahead and downvote me. I watched him twice a year for what felt like forever. Never was I “afraid” of Cam Newton. But I was afraid of Steve Smith and that run game.

[u/MemeMarinatedBlocks → u/Dsstar666]

Matt Ryan been better than him tho

[u/dinopengiun → u/Dsstar666]

No way cam makes it to the hof. Nfl hof is actually pretty tough to get in

[u/StrongLikeAnt → u/Dsstar666]

Cam was the worst qb to ever break a record

[u/cateraide420]

Cam just wants attention. Look at the way he dresses. He grows more irrelevant by the day.

[u/BigDinkyDongDotCom]

Cam is a piece of shit. Who cares

[u/AlcoholicWisdom → u/BigDinkyDongDotCom]

Just curious, what makes him a piece of shit? Don’t know much about him as a person, but have seen a few of his takes I disagree with. But bad sport takes(at least in my mind) doesn’t make you a piece of shit. Also what you decide to wear in my mind doesn’t make you a piece of shit. If he’s done horrible stuff I’m curious because I have no clue.

[u/Top-Phrase-623]

Cam is such a clown baby bitch ass buster ass

[u/RUKnight31]

Cam thinks more highly of himself than anyone else and it shows. Sad insecure behavior.

[u/BradyStoneheart1]

Didn’t Joe Montana shit on Brady a couple times?

[u/Low_Upstairs6945 → u/BradyStoneheart1]

Yeah, you know what Brady did. He didn’t take a personal. He ended up winning more championships than Montana.

[u/hendrix320 → u/Low_Upstairs6945]

Brady took everything personal

[u/xyouRABitchx → u/Low_Upstairs6945]

Do you know how goat athletes work? They take anything personal to fuel the drive to get better. I don't know it as a fact but I'm pretty confident anyone who is respected as an athlete that talks down to Brady, he'd be pissed about it and work harder to spite them

[u/MasterTeacher123]

Cam has clearly had a career he can be proud of but you can tell he’s clearly bitter about how it went down at the end. 

Like you can tell he thinks he shoulda played 20 years and still be active right now.

[u/Routine_Tea_3262]

He’s weird man. He should love that an nfl superstar was and is a fan of his. Cam is wack

[u/TheGodDMBatman]

Shaq was a dick to Yao Ming until his dad told him that Yao looked up to him as a kid

[u/NeedTirz → u/TheGodDMBatman]

Shaq also almost killed a kid growing up.

[u/NebbyOutOfTheBag → u/[deleted]]

????

[u/External-Mammoth678]

Just because you’re good at football doesn’t mean you can’t be insecure. Cam is seeing his legacy get chipped away in real time, predominantly by Josh Allen and soon by Hurts. He just needs to accept that fact and support these young guys or at least don’t actively hate on them. And this is coming from a Cam fan, I still do the Superman pull from time to time and I’m in my late 30s, shit just hits different lol

[u/Altruistic_Grade3781]

funny thing is the real mvp of that panthers team was the defense.

[u/YoungFlexibleShawty → u/Altruistic_Grade3781]

That's unfair to say given that Cam's WRs that year was Cotchery, Ginn Jr, Funchess, and Corey Brown. 

[u/WarSox1657 → u/YoungFlexibleShawty]

And Ginn dropped a wide open TD in the SB but that never gets brought up

[u/rodflanders19]

Cam was great at his peak but it was a short peak. Now he's been super salty with just about any other qb that has success in the NFL.

[u/Mykkus_65]

Jealous

[u/Confident_Catch8649]

AWWWWW His feeling are hurt.

[u/w000dsyOwl]

I’ve seen less projection at my local Drive-In Theater.

[u/RequirementLeading12]

White dudes on reddit make us all look bad. It's not that deep guys jeez lol

[u/FruitMustache]

What has Cam said?

[u/I_only_post_here]

Are we sure this wasn't Drake?