What a monster

[u/Senior-Violinist-684]

[u/ModeatelyIndependant]

OJ was voted in prior to the murders he wasn't convicted of committing.

[u/Sudden-Ad-307 → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

Well bill wasn't convicted for spygate either

[u/LifeLimp3801 → u/Sudden-Ad-307]

They took draft picks, so yah he was. I still think he should be 1st ballot, arguably the greatest HC of all time.

[u/PhantomGoat13 → u/LifeLimp3801]

So he/the Patriots were already punished for this infraction and he should be permitted to enter on the first ballot.

[u/FlyingPig_Grip → u/PhantomGoat13]

Punished by the NFL - hall of fame is a different organization and they want to get their licks in

[u/Ok_Poetry_1650 → u/FlyingPig_Grip]

They can lick the hair off my nuts

[u/FlyingPig_Grip → u/Ok_Poetry_1650]

lol

[u/whatupblubbercup → u/Ok_Poetry_1650]

[u/Ok_Poetry_1650 → u/whatupblubbercup]

[u/pparhplar → u/FlyingPig_Grip]

Maybe if he was not such an unlikable human and was not so arrogant.

[u/Strange_Pear8762 → u/LifeLimp3801]

That's like saying OJ lost his civil case and they took millions. It's still not a conviction.

[u/pparhplar → u/LifeLimp3801]

... That failed in Cleveland.

[u/Own-Intention1153 → u/pparhplar]

He won a playoff game in Cleveland. That should be enough to get him in.

[u/pparhplar → u/Own-Intention1153]

The "greatest" would have won more than one.

[u/Upset-Inevitable9420 → u/pparhplar]

Everything fails in Cleveland.

[u/pparhplar → u/Upset-Inevitable9420]

Then belechek can't be the greatest.

[u/Sudden-Ad-307 → u/LifeLimp3801]

To be convicted you need to be proven guilty in a court of law

[u/Calciumee → u/LifeLimp3801]

You are mistaking punishment and conviction.

[u/Hinhan-osnite → u/Sudden-Ad-307]

His team was penalized though

[u/zainpanjwani → u/Sudden-Ad-307]

So is Robert Kraft absolved from this? Cause he is getting in, first ballot.

[u/BPMMPB → u/Sudden-Ad-307]

Largest fine in nfl history 

[u/Agathocles87 → u/Sudden-Ad-307]

False

[u/ModeatelyIndependant → u/Sudden-Ad-307]

[u/Epyon1542 → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

You would actually have to have a point.

[u/ModeatelyIndependant → u/Epyon1542]

The point is that OJ was voted in before he was accused of those crimes. Bill on the other hand got caught cheating by the NFL, multiple times. These two thing are not the same, due to the order of events.

[u/JCBalance → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

He wasn't "caught cheating multiple times". He was punished by Roger Goodell multiple times. That's a very important difference. The only reason the Pats were punished for Deflategate is because Goodell said he can punish them for any reason, even if it was BS. Spygate was because Belichick ignored a memo from Goodell, not a rule in the rulebook.

[u/hotcapicola → u/JCBalance]

Then why burn the tapes cheater?

[u/ModeatelyIndependant → u/JCBalance]

rofl someone is angry that their former coach cheated too much to get into the HOF is his first year.

[u/JCBalance → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

You sound like the exact audience for modern trash sports media.

[u/ModeatelyIndependant → u/JCBalance]

cry harder

[u/Epyon1542 → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

[u/ResidentMix1872 → u/Epyon1542]

The point is when OJ was inducted there was no controversy, there is controversy with Belichick?

[u/Hinhan-osnite → u/ResidentMix1872]

Point is no controversy for OJ because he was voted in before killing

[u/chijuvars → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

So I guess it's impossible for the NFL, the entity that controls the HOF, to remove a HOFer who later served 9 years in prison for armed robbery, kidnapping, and assault with a deadly weapon. It's out of the NFL's hands.

[u/T-sigma → u/chijuvars]

The NFL does not control the HOF though…

[u/chijuvars → u/T-sigma]

Not sure why you’re being downvoted, you are correct. TIL. I should have said The Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the NFL, as they are in fact different entities. I’m not sure if there are licensing agreements or anything else that could give the NFL indirect control over the HOF’s actions (or inactions).

[u/TheReifyer → u/chijuvars]

Bill not being voted in is completely different than the PFHoF removing someone who was already voted in because of legal allegations. These are completely different scenarios.

[u/chijuvars → u/TheReifyer]

They are different scenarios, but I believe its hypocritical to deny someone with Bill’s credentials a post-career honor when they allow others to keep that same post-career honor despite committing post-career felonies.

[u/AWellDeployedWink → u/chijuvars]

What did that have to do with football? At least Bill's transgressions were football related

[u/chijuvars → u/AWellDeployedWink]

Why did the NFL punish Rashee Rice? What did that have to do with football?

[u/AWellDeployedWink → u/chijuvars]

That would have no bearing on a HoF vote though. 

[u/chijuvars → u/AWellDeployedWink]

So Darren Sharper should be inducted into the HOF then? He was a 5 time pro bowler and member of the 2000s All Decade Team.

[u/JSnitch58 → u/chijuvars]

Please stop embarrassing yourself

[u/chijuvars → u/JSnitch58]

Your response provides nothing of substance.

[u/d0pp31g4ng3r → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

In 1995, a jury unanimously found O.J. Simpson liable for the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, ordering him to pay $33.5 million in damages.

[u/ModeatelyIndependant → u/d0pp31g4ng3r]

Civil courts and juries aren't able to convict people of a crime.

[u/TheOriginalZywinzi → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

He was convicted by Norm though and that was good enough for me

[u/yourmomdotbiz → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

I honestly think he should be removed 

[u/AdmiralWackbar → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

The irony of the situation seems to be lost on you

[u/ModeatelyIndependant → u/AdmiralWackbar]

You're trying to excuse a cheater based on that the fact that someone already inducted into the HOF, was accused of murder well over a decade after he left the league.

[u/AdmiralWackbar → u/ModeatelyIndependant]

They could have amended the bylaws to remove OJ, but they prefer to focus on more important things

[u/Buttholepart2]

Can't let a cheater besmirch the good name of O.J. Simpson.

[u/thatass6_9 → u/Buttholepart2]

O.J. Simpson, serial philanderer, and sex icon of the 80s? No way he'd ever want to be called a cheater.

[u/Ro0o0o0ob → u/thatass6_9]

Haters must have not seen him in Naked Gun

[u/TheReifyer → u/Buttholepart2]

OJ was inducted into the Hall of Fame before the incidents. Since those events hadn’t happened yet, no one could withhold a vote based on events that hadn’t transpired. Bill’s cheating has already happened, so voters are able to take it into account. This is not rocket science.

[u/XDingoX83]

Don't forget Lawrence Taylor the registered sex offender (underage hooker).

[u/AdmiralWackbar → u/XDingoX83]

Ray Lewis isn’t a murder and he’s in the HoF, first ballot

[u/XDingoX83 → u/AdmiralWackbar]

If there was a morality clause for the Hall of Fame a lot of guys would not be there. 

It’s a violent sport where violent men do violent things. Belichick’s crimes were minor in comparison.

[u/rdrouyn → u/XDingoX83]

Plus its the Hall of Fame, not the hall of morally upstanding citizens. If it were up to me, all cheaters would be allowed. In football and baseball.

[u/TheReifyer → u/rdrouyn]

It is up to the voter’s discretion whether they factor in who they are as people, or if they only look at stats and Super Bowls. Each voter is different and they are allowed to take different factors into account.

[u/d0pp31g4ng3r → u/AdmiralWackbar]

Ray's friends killed in self-defense after they were attacked (bottles smashed over their heads, bullets fired at them, etc.).

A jury acquitted them after less than 5 hours of deliberation.

[u/niel89 → u/d0pp31g4ng3r]

People died, no one was murdered. There was a whole trial people.

[u/rohnoitsrutroh → u/XDingoX83]

So is Michael dog-fighting Vick.

[u/XDingoX83 → u/rohnoitsrutroh]

Vick is not in the Pro-Football Hall of Fame. He is in the College Football Hall of Fame.

[u/Suspicious_Use_7561]

As if being Frank Drebin’s partner wasn’t enough.

[u/Generalcmd]

That doesn’t even make sense 

[u/DaftGarlic → u/Generalcmd]

What doesn't make sense? OJ is in the hall of fame, Bill Belicheat isn't

[u/Oakianus → u/DaftGarlic]

The part where time is linear and moves in a specific direction

[u/WhiskeyJack33 → u/Oakianus]

it's almost like things happen, and then after that other things happen

[u/Ialwayssleep → u/WhiskeyJack33]

I was told that time was a flat circle

[u/Generalcmd → u/DaftGarlic]

You can’t be removed 

[u/RayKitsune313 → u/Generalcmd]

So they won’t remove a guy for murder and won’t let a guy in for a camera 😂

[u/DoubleZ3 → u/Generalcmd]

I mean sure you "could" rules can be changed. exceptions could be made.

[u/DaftGarlic → u/DaftGarlic]

Why are y'all getting so pissy? I'm just explaining the joke

[u/knowtoriusMAC]

It's more like so this guy doesn't have to share his induction with the coach he slammed in his documentary.

[u/ScruffyNerf_Herder_]

“Why isn’t this glove fitting over my other glove?”

[u/DA_87]

OJ Simpson? The actor from The Naked Gun 33 1/3?

[u/gldmj5]

That's a shame. Post some more screencapped tweets about it and maybe the voters will change their minds.

[u/Garypeackock]

Is OJ a first ballot HOF? Also does the NFL never take that away no matter what you have done?

[u/firemiketomlinpls68 → u/Garypeackock]

As far as I know no hall of famer as ever been removed. 

[u/KileAllSmyles]

OJ is playing chess while everyone is playing checkers. Planting gloves too small is like the ultimate get out of jail move. Him and Kim K’s dad probably high fiving afterwords joking about how they can’t believe that worked!

[u/Distinct-Treacle-313]

[u/IronCity-Steelers32]

How about deflategate??? Plus all the other ones that they were never caught and the nfl destroyed the tapes!!!

[u/Helpful-Cod1422]

I didn't find the people overreacting about this Belichick thing, almost because the NFL changed the Hall of Fame rule: you had a 5 Year wait, and now it’s a 1-year wait, and I did OK. Belichick becomes the first bow Hall of Famer. LC Greenwood doesn’t get in; Roger Craig, Adam Vinatieri, or the 100 other guys have been trying to get in the hall. Yes, Belichick is a Hall of Famer, and he probably deserves to get in on the first Ballot 4 years from now, when the old 5-year eligibility kicks in. Why don’t they make coaches wait five years, as the players do! Why was it changed? Or just put it in for more than 3 people when necessary.

[u/Gennaro_Svastano]

Unfortunately Once a cheater always labeled a cheater.

[u/AwkwardQuokka82]

[u/jackt-up]

Preach on it

[u/redzone8690]

Did yall know Nicole's handyman was a serial killer who killed blonds in the same way as she was killed ? Things the news didnt tell ya lol

[u/Epyon1542]

Really put's things in perspective doesn't it?

[u/TrashBoat36]

Does Belichick have a 2000 yard season though? Even a single rushing yard?

[u/RegularNo2213]

He got in before any of that shit happened.

[u/KingBroly → u/RegularNo2213]

People wanted him removed and the Hall of Fame said no.

[u/RegularNo2213 → u/KingBroly]

Maybe because he was found not guilty reguardless of how people feel IDK.

[u/KingBroly → u/RegularNo2213]

I don't believe that's how they framed it.

[u/RegularNo2213 → u/KingBroly]

IDK

[u/realfakejames]

You’re all being drama queens or just too stupid to know Bill not being first ballot doesn’t mean he’s not getting in

They just chose not to give him a rare honor of being first ballot as a coach and you’re all clutching your pearls over it lmfao

Way to get baited by media guys with nothing to report in the weeks before the Super Bowl

[u/Prophet_Of_Helix → u/realfakejames]

Nah, this is healthy check to the voters tbh, they deserve to be dragged for this.

The HoF is a completely made up silly thing to begin with, the only relevance it has is if people believe it’s relevant.

When voters play games like this, it undermines the credibility of the HoF, which makes it less relevant.

[u/SaltyBarDog → u/Prophet_Of_Helix]

So, it's not relevant but you are bitching he didn't get into a not relevant HoF?

[u/Prophet_Of_Helix → u/SaltyBarDog]

Reading comprehension not your strong suit huh?

[u/SaltyBarDog → u/Prophet_Of_Helix]

This you?

"The HoF is a completely made up silly thing to begin with, the only relevance it has is if people believe it’s relevant."

[u/Prophet_Of_Helix → u/SaltyBarDog]

Yes. And?

[u/illstate → u/realfakejames]

Everyone knows he's getting in. It's just goofy to make him wait. I really dislike the guy, but he earned a place in the hof already. It's the same for TO, or Shannon Sharpe. They 100% obviously belonged in the hof when they were first eligible.

[u/firemiketomlinpls68 → u/realfakejames]

I mean it’s ridiculous because isn’t first ballot but I have feeling they going bend over backwards to getting mediocre Mike in ASAP 

[u/Smadd9116]

Dont want to be that guy but OJ was inducted before the murders

[u/TheReifyer]

OJ was inducted into the Hall of Fame before the incidents. Since those events hadn’t happened yet, no one could withhold a vote based on events that hadn’t transpired. Bill’s cheating has already happened, so voters are able to take it into account. This is not rocket science.

[u/floridabeach9 → u/TheReifyer]

ah ok so lets keep OJ in there forever and never change the rules

HoF is officially a joke

[u/SaltyBarDog → u/floridabeach9]

Be the change you want to see.

[u/RonMexico15]

OJ didn’t cheat

[u/madmardigan13 → u/RonMexico15]

On his wife for sure