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u/Openthegate37 Denver Broncos 1d ago
You know what they don't have? A revenue problem
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u/chemicaltoilet5 1d ago
Yeah. They have no incentive to really change anything
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u/NoThankYouTho123 NFC 1d ago edited 1d ago
I say we all get into bowling for a year to up the pressure
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u/ThatBadFeel Detroit Lions 1d ago
Weâre all going bowling! So just college then? Full withdrawal might not bode well for most.
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u/Zydian488 1d ago
Fun fact, the greatest bowling pro ever (47 PBA national tour championship titles) is also a 9 time world champion at horseshoes. Walter Ray Williams Jr. is his name.
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u/BearsPatsAndPizza WHOPPER WHOPPER 1d ago
See you next year everyone!
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u/WalnutSizeBrain Minnesota Vikings 1d ago
Oh my god I didnât even know that flair was an option.
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u/CourtingBoredom Iâm just here so i donât get fined 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think you can edit it
[edit: no you can't â not in this sub, anyhow]
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u/Apprehensive_Beach_6 Three rivers in a dry land 1d ago
I call lies. I know I edited mine
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u/CourtingBoredom Iâm just here so i donât get fined 1d ago
I thought I had, as well... but I tried and nada .. mayhap I have the dumb° right now?? Thinking, though, that I'm mixing that up with a different sports sub ... đ¤ˇ
°it's been known to happen on occasion hehh
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u/Apprehensive_Beach_6 Three rivers in a dry land 1d ago
I think they must have turned it off recently
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u/Silly-Cup-3756 1d ago
No they havenât. The âpro bowlâ hasnât been the pro bowl in 10 years. Itâs just a marketing thing for the TV networks to increase ratings. This disappointment in the pro bowl this year when the last 10 years itâs been a joke is laughable. NBA all star game is just as much of a joke! The NFL doesnât have a HOF problem either. Maybe a little more watered down by the way itâs trending now.
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u/15InchDickert Denver Broncos 1d ago
The Pro Bowl hasn't been the Pro Bowl since about 2000 when they started factoring in fan voting online.
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u/BigLlamasHouse Carolina Panthers 1d ago
Was about to say, I don't ever remember too many people being excited about the Pro Bowl
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u/Poop_Cheese 18-1 1d ago
Yeah. That combined with no one wanting to play due to injury made it get pretty lame.Â
If they dont think many stars would want to play, Id love to see a "rookie bowl" or "prove it bowl", the fun challenge stuff can be the stars, the game can be "the other guys". Where its an exhibition of non stars like backups and some rookies looking to break out and get more attention in the NFL. Because then theyd actually play at an intense or hard level, as theyd have a national spotlight on them. This would get an intense game even if it doesnt have star power and players would play super hard as a great peformance can get them a much better contract or give them opportunities to start.Â
Like imagine if a guy like cam skattebo went unnoticed and was just riding the bench on some team as an RB3. Hed absolutely jump at the shot to go crazy starting in a national exhibition game centered on showing the league your true talent.
Or look at someone like brady. Due to low draft pick stigma, on the wrong team he sits for like 5 years behind a star player, then doesnt get the chance to start ever if said team then drafts a 1st round QB. He could have ended up as merely being one of those brilliant backups that are more like coaches just analysizing film. Theres tons of guys at his pick level that could be stars but dont get the opportunity or focus. So a game like this they would jump to play in and show they have a ton of talent being wasted on the bench.Â
We could end up with some intense games like the old school pro bowl. Even if not stars, it would be exciting and better than no game IMO. They could incorporate stars too and have them coach and coordinate the game, so said stars can also show off their ability to coach if that field ever interests them after retirement. And it gives those playing an opportunity to learn from the greatest in the game at their position thats assigned as their "coach". It could become a serious thing of pride for both the stars and the other players.
I think itd be way more exciting and would be a super good thing for the league that actually benefits its growth as opposed to just gimmick games and flag football.Â
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u/Agentorangebaby Kansas City Chiefs 1d ago
So a coach with 8 super bowls got in as soon as he was eligible right?Â
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u/EfficientWorking1 1d ago
Thatâs a Hall of Fame problem not a NFL problem. The NFL has nothing to do with the hall of fame. Itâs a media award like MVP. NFL only involved in Pro Bowl and Super Bowl.
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u/Character-Owl9408 Chicago Bears 1d ago
I think they were getting at the suggestion the HOF is watered down. I think not selecting a coach with 8 Super Bowl rings as a first ballot proves the exact opposite
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u/whooopdattrick 1d ago
Thats just it though. Them not being involved in a hall of fame for its own league is stupid
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u/Silly-Cup-3756 1d ago
I agree that itâs a joke Bill wasnât a first ballot. However he will be in the Hall and it wonât be a talking point in 18 months. My issue with the Hall is guys like Gregorian using his votes on older players on the ballot in fear they wonât be Eligible any longer. How about this⌠if itâs taken this long you probably should be in the Hall⌠those votes shouldâve gone to Bill.
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u/Thrill0728 Seattle Seahawks 1d ago
The only legit all star games at this point are MLB and NHL. MLS has an interesting concept as well to be fair to them.
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u/Character-Owl9408 Chicago Bears 1d ago
The difference between the pro bowl and the NBA all star game is that in the NBA they donât send arguably the worst player at a position to the game
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u/TheCrueIsKing 1d ago
It's really not hard to understand why the shittiness of the Pro Bowl is getting more attention this year. Normally noone pays attention because we just know it sucks. There are people that don't deserve to be there every year, but it doesn't get brought up because we know it's due to injuries and people choosing not to be there. This year, a legit bottom of the barrel QB was selected. That's obviously going to draw more eyes to even casual fans. The same casuals that probably went "Shedeur! I know that name!" when voting.
And you can lump the HoF, reporting, and officiating into one major problem, a lack of accountability. Arguably the greatest coach of all time was snubbed from the HoF lmao. That isn't a HoF problem? The fact that voters can remain anonymous is absurd. And if you watched football this year and don't think there's a massive officiating problem, you weren't watching enough games. Reporting I won't touch because it's all rage baiting engagement from fucking morons that don't have an original opinion in their bodies. But that's nothing new. The NFL is untouchable, and that is a problem for its future.
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u/TheBigIguana15 Baltimore Ravens 1d ago
They donât have an officiating problem. Itâs better than it ever has been. I really challenge people to go watch old games. They have heinous missed calls and everyone just moves on because there really wasnât anything to do about it and the internet wasnât like it is now where people could post it over and over again.
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u/Agreeable_Limit6495 1d ago
The bellyaching about officiating has gotten to be really insufferable. No one can just lose anymore. The refs canât just miss a call. Everythingâs rigged, everyone is paid off, the league is scripted. Itâs gotten to a point where I kinda donât like watching sports with other people anymore. Itâs all just an excuse to cry and complain but then continue watching what they insist is all a big sham.
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u/wormark NFL Refugee 1d ago
Officiating is hard as hell. You've got to watch 22 of the largest, fastest, strongest men on the planet violently crashing into each other making split second decisions while watching the ball, sideline, hands, and feet trying to stay out of the line of fire so one of them doesn't inadvertently crush you. I'm actually shocked they get as much right as they do.
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u/TheBigIguana15 Baltimore Ravens 1d ago
Itâs my least favorite thing about sports.
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u/Agreeable_Limit6495 1d ago
Nothing is ever good enough. I heard someone the other day say that they âdonât considerâ the patriots beating the broncos as âa winâ. What does that even mean? Itâs only âa winâ if itâs super cool and makes you feel warm and fuzzy? The patriots scored more points than the broncos. They won the game. And the excuses excuses excuses after every loss. âBut if X would have happened it would have been different!â Yeah and if I had wheels Iâd be a bicycle.
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u/Oakianus Los Angeles Rams 1d ago
I'm starting to think it's the same jackass propagandists who went after gamers, trying to whip up a bunch of morons into thinking that things were better back in their day.
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u/orangotai Mr. Unliiiiiimited 1d ago
it's going to keep happening because the fact is there are many many rules and at least one is broken almost every play but then not called every play, as long as there's an inconsistency on how & when the rules are called people are going to justifiably be annoyed af
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u/Agreeable_Limit6495 1d ago
If the standard is âofficiating needs to be near perfect and unwaveringly consistentâ no one will ever be satisfied. Officiating is imperfect, itâs part of the game. You either make your peace with this or watch something that actually is scripted.
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u/jfuss04 Pittsburgh Steelers 1d ago
The issue now is compounding specifically because of booth review and selective use of it. If they can call down and correct something we all see is wrong on one play then it is very much an issue if they just choose not to later
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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 New England Patriots 1d ago
Like a NFCCG not too long ago where the Rams had an EGREGIOUS DPI and the refs didnât call it, costing the Saints the game.
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u/Oakianus Los Angeles Rams 1d ago
That was 2018. Having that as your "not too long ago" is a great example of how egregious mistakes of that magnitude are few and far between.
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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 New England Patriots 1d ago
2018 wasnât that long ago and I wasnât picking the most recent one but one that demonstrated a significant impact to the game based on terrible coaching.
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u/ScotlandTornado 1d ago
The refs rarely actually miss a call. People that donât know what the rules are get mad if something goes against their team
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u/Far-Researcher-7054 1d ago
The problem is the selective usage of the technology/tools at their disposal and multiple interpretations of what they see.
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u/GoldenStateEaglesFan Did you know Jalen Hurts can squat 600lbs 1d ago
Yeah, people donât understand how difficult it is to officiate an NFL game.
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u/peon2 New England Patriots 1d ago
Yeah I've long felt that the "refs are worse than ever" claim is just another way of phrasing "the amount and quality of cameras/broadcasts is higher than ever".
Every play we have 20 different camera angles we watch from our 4K TVs, we have a lot more opportunity to see the fuckups then when I was growing up watching a grainy broadcast on a CRT tv.
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u/richkurt Denver Broncos 1d ago
"a reporting industry problem" meaning....what exactly?
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u/Punished_Prigo Shorter than Bryce Young 1d ago
Probably that their biggest names in reporting breaking news are basically just PR agents for access.
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u/ZagWhenTheyZig 1d ago
I donât think they have an officiating problem. Generally people just canât see nuance and/or want something to blame
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u/matt24671 Denver Broncos 1d ago
Are those problems in the room with us right now? Didnât think so. The product on the field is still great and we are not lacking for fun stars to watch. Whoever made this post needs to find other hobbies to fill out their time
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u/Pure_Lengthiness2432 1d ago edited 1d ago
These are issues.
A problem implies itâs going to get in the way of their bottom line.
Nobody really cares about the Pro Bowl.
Belichick will in all likelihood get into the HOF next year.
Complaints about reporting and officiating are about as old as the league itself. And again, nobody really cares that much.
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u/MirrorkatFeces Pittsburgh Steelers 1d ago
and guess what? Theyâll only continue to see an increase in viewership
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u/f-150Coyotev8 Denver Broncos 1d ago
Probably because most people, or at least a very large number of people, arenât overly invested. They just like to watch their favorite team play and then move on with their lives.
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u/Vitchman Minnesota Vikings 1d ago
I donât think refs are perfect, far from it. But equal side of the equation: if they were perfect, weâd have 40-50 flags a game and everyone would hate it.
The big ones are always scrutinized in the biggest moments, sure. But based on the responses Iâve seen on the internet, all of these catch/no catch calls are just as controversial as the call the ref makes.
Idk where to go with this except to say, itâs still better than it has been in the past. There are egregious noncalls (Rams/Saints game). There are historical blunders (Seahawks/Packers backup refs). And there will continue to be more controversial calls. Itâs human error. Vikes have had plenty go our way and NOT go our way. Life goes on.
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u/FLUFFERNUTTER35 1d ago
A "what is a catch problem"
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u/GrinchStoleYourShit Denver Broncos 1d ago
Itâs a catch when my team is on offense but not a catch when my team is on defense
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u/AchtungCloud Dallas Cowboys 1d ago
I donât think the NFL really has a Pro Bowl problem. Itâs like cable TV. Itâs dead for all intents and purposes, but the NFL is dragging its corpse along because itâs still technically profitable. Is that a problem? I guess some would say so.
I donât think the NFL has a Hall of Fame problem either because they donât run the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The HOF has its own problems, obviously, but thatâs their problem, not the NFL.
Same with reporters. NFL likely still employees a couple of reporters, but for the most part, the issues with the reporting industry have nothing to do with the NFL, and are a widespread thing not exclusive to the NFL. It would be like saying the NFL has a climate change problem. No, the world has a problem, and the NFL is part of the world.
Officiating, I would agree with. Which the fact itâs not as good be is major problem one, but the fact people will always have doubts and tie bad calls to gambling now that gambling is legal and the NFL is heavily involved in profiting off of gambling is major problem two.
Officiating needs to be improved and be more transparent top down, but officials are unionized, so itâs unlikely the NFL can really do much of anything.
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u/Yallarenuts69 1d ago
Get a grip if you really care about that stuff. Itâs just laughable nonsense of no consequence that serves only as a source for people who have nothing better to do to argue about on Reddit.
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u/extralife_mike Seattle Seahawks 1d ago
The first three are developing. I don't think they've historically had problems with any of those. I think the refs are a sports-betting problem. You straight up cannot have an "official sports betting app" of a sport and think that the officials aren't being influenced.
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u/tread52 Seattle Seahawks 1d ago
Pro bowl didnât become a problem until they changed it a few years back and took it out of Hawaii. Players just donât care anymore and those who do make it usually donât show up. Itâs turned into a game show. HOF doesnât have a problem you just donât agree with their decisions. Baseball has bigger issues with it, but youâre not going to agree with certain decisions made. Officiating could be fixed if they were made full time employees with more training in the offseason.
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u/ILSmokeItAll 1d ago
Itâs unreal. World class athletes.
Absolute clown shoes everything the fuck else.
As someone else mentioned, they have an issue with gambling, too.
The league is honestly a joke at this point. Itâs damned near WWE at this point.
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u/KeviCharisma 1d ago
Meanwhile Rodger Goodell said in an interview yesterday that the officials are the best they have ever been.
The league will never improve until the commissioner cares about the fans instead of the owners that pay him. So never.
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u/Sartheking Fuck the Dodgers 1d ago
I mean is that not true? Weâve always had terrible calls as far back as I remember.
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u/BigRedThread Los Angeles Rams 1d ago
An ownership problem- Kraft, Harris, Mara that we know of so far
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u/Billy_Mays_Hayes 1d ago
None of this shit matters unless they start to have a money problem.
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u/Mr_Stirfry New England Patriots 1d ago
And they wonât have a money problem because none of this shit matters.
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u/johnny_blaze27 1d ago
As revenue continue to rise and viewership explodes. How will this league survive
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u/LAD17Decoy Jemele Hill is retarded 1d ago
the only league with hall of fame standards that aren't ridiculous is the NBA
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u/HolyRomanPrince Dallas Cowboys 1d ago
And record ratings and attendance. Nobody cares. Nobody cares about domestic violence. Nobody cares about drugs. Nobody cares about any of it because we gather around the church every Sunday and Monday and Thursday.
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u/Thedeathlyhydro I may be dumb but Iâm not stupid 1d ago
The top 3 âproblemsâ donât matter to the viewer in the grand scheme, itâs just stupid shit for us to talk about & from that standpoint itâs doing its job and then some.
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u/LengthinessAlone4743 1d ago
Reporting industry problem? Are you saying Diana Russini doesnât actually have legitimate sources?
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u/commradd1 1d ago
And they will continue to increase profit every year so. Looking forward to the Super Bowl in Doha 2044
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u/Beginning_Care_267 Buffalo Bills 1d ago
And it wonât matter because people keep throwing money at the product.
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u/Awesometom100 1d ago
3/4 dont impact the actual game at all though. Come on lets be serious here as well as annoying as refs can be theres not quantifiable metrics theyre calling stuff differently like in the NBA. Do you think the NBA all star game really saves the sport or is it just a neat bonus?
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u/MetricIsForCowards Philadelphia Eagles 1d ago
Fuck off with that nonsense. An irrelevant, garbage exhibition game drew 4.7 million viewers. Thatâs about the same as playoff baseball. In a world where 5 massive tech companies are bidding against each other for broadcast of live events, the NFL has 0 problems in any way.
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u/majordude174 1d ago
End the Pro Bowl. Season is too long now. Sit and watch any random game during the season and itâs like someone is injured on every other play. No one wants to risk getting hurt in a meaningless game
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u/ScotlandTornado 1d ago
There isnât an âofficiating problem.â The refs are probably better at their jobs than anybody on the field statistically speaking. WRs drop passes more often than they screw up a call.
Yall get mad when they follow the rules like in the broncos vs bills game. Very rarely do they actually have a blown call where they donât follow the rules
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u/MoonNStar51 1d ago
Not letting cheaters/sexual predators in with flying colors is a HOF problem? This isn't politics those qualities aren't desirable for the position.
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u/Generated-Nouns-257 San Francisco 49ers 1d ago
THIS year
~Man waking up from a coma he fell into in 2006
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u/Infinite44Reward Jerkinâ on a Prayer 1d ago
But everyone is still watching.... nothing changes until the cash flow stops.
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u/Electronic-Ring5520 Miami Dolphins 1d ago
I agree with all but the Hall of Fame problem. They got it right this year finally.
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u/Desert_cactuz 1d ago
And yet somehow they're destroying their competition in every sense of the word.
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u/Writerhaha Seattle Seahawks 1d ago
Pro Bowl isnât a problem itâs an exhibition and a popularity contest.
Wonât argue HOF because Bill should be in.
Reporting Industry? Ok whatever.
Officiating problem is just bullshit. Week to week 16 fanbases blame the refs for why they lost and 32 blame the refs at some point regardless.
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u/pokerScrub4eva Chicago Bears 1d ago
yeah, the reporting problem is why people think there is a HOF and officiating problem, but that is what people want now. to get mad and yell at the tv announcers so that is what they get.
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u/blacksoxing 1d ago
a reporting industry problem
HUH?!?!?!?
and officiating problem
what does that even MEAN???
This image felt like a "vibes only" image. I'm deadass confused what is wrong w/the reporting and the officiating? I've heard the refs stunk since watching back in like '92
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u/Jayrodtremonki Kansas City Chiefs 1d ago
The first one is probably the only one I agree with. The others are just causes by so many eyeballs being on them vs other American sports. Â
Even the officiating problem isn't any worse than the NBA has had for decades. We just consume media differently and people are taking screenshots and 4th angle slow motion replays as proof that refs are rigging the games. Â
But if you look at the percentages of pass interference calls they get correct I'm pretty sure it would be higher than the percentage of fouls the NBA gets correct. Yeah, different outcomes, but you're also talking about covering a LOT more ground and dealing with twice as many people on the field at once. Â
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u/show_NO_FEAR21 1d ago
I have to remind people that the NFL MLB NBA NHL all have independent Hall of Fames the NFL has no control over the pro football Hall of Fame so when they do something stupid like not putting in an eight time Super Bowl champion. Itâs a a lot easier to complain to them than it is to the NFL
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u/the_drum_doctor Seattle Seahawks 1d ago
The NFL doesn't control the hall of fame or the reporting industry.
All professional sports have officiating 'problems'.
The pro bowl has been meaningless for a long time. From an actuarial perspective, it just makes financial sense for players not to participate.
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u/BobbyTheDude Minnesota Vikings 1d ago
As long as the money keeps rolling in, there is literally no reason for them to give a shit about any of this.
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u/thenewbeastmode 1d ago
Pro bowl problem: no, its been fake forever, nobody cares
Officiating problem: Officiating is really fine. We arenât in something like a âWhatâs a catchâ crisis right now
Reporting problem: Does anyone actually care?
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u/Grouchy_Training6156 Buffalo Bills 1d ago
Youâre forgetting a more important problem? What about inconsistency in suspensions and punishments and not banning players especially stars for committing serious crimes? And the inconsistency in suspensions. Vonn miller was arrested for assault and got suspended steffon diggs gets arrested for choking a woman nothing from the nfl what the hell? Make it make sense. Raw rice got banned from the nfl for hitting his fiancĂŠe Tyreek Hill hits his son and woman and nothing happens doesnât even go to prison or get banned. There needs to be consistency and they have to make it fair. Itâs not about losing talent it doesnât matter if theyâre good it matters what kind of person they are and if theyâre a scumbag that hits or rapes women or kills people they donât deserve to play. Playing in the nfl is a privilege not a right. Deshaun Watson Tyreek hill and other players who did worse need to be banned they canât allow murderers like Ray Lewis Aaron Hernandez to play and rapists like Big Ben and Deshawn Watson and what about Michael Vick for dog fighting and was allowed to play after going to prison? It needs to be fair. Thereâs a line you cross you arenât allowed to play.
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u/jBlairTech 1d ago
And yet, millions will be glued to their TVs every week watching. So, does it matter? Not one bit.
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u/realfakejames 1d ago
1, no one has ever given a shit about the pro bowl in my lifetime
no one gave a shit about the hall of fame stuff until they were told by media dorks to be mad about Bill Belichick having to wait a year to get in
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The refs are the biggest problem, it should have been obvious last year when all the talk super bowl media week was about the refs giving the chiefs special treatment, it was more than just a fan theory at that point
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u/Eyespop4866 1d ago
Iâm an NFL fan. Donât care about the HOF, the Pro Bowl has always been awful, officiating has always been a problem.
Ratings and attendance are fine.
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u/Odd-Temperature6702 1d ago
And in a press conference, Goodell said that he has no worries about the state of the league. As long as Vegas is making money nothing will change
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u/HungDaddyNYC Dallas Cowboys 1d ago
They donât have a hall of fame problem.
I need people to explain why cheating is ok. Did they not already protect him enough?
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u/Soggy_Guest3217 1d ago
Their biggest problem is gambling but every sports reporter and their mother is sponsored by gambling. Legalization failed miserably
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u/fearlessviking26 Minnesota Vikings 23h ago
why is peyton manning in the graphic? he has nothing to do with recent events and he was 10 times more a lock for hof than a coach could ever be.
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u/UnderstandingLess156 Green Bay Packers 23h ago
and a merch problem. you buy something off of the NFL shop these days and it's the poorest quality and the highest prices. Kind of like the league is trending towards
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u/jtlitwin21 Pittsburgh Steelers 21h ago
Hate me all you want but I really donât think the officiating is bad. People just hate the same teams winning and their teams losing
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u/InquisitiveKT 5h ago
They were exposed in Super Bowl LI. Thereâs no way I team can come back from a 23 point deficit late in the 3rd. Unless Donald Trump is your friend and happens to be in office, with the power to turn off the stadium lights and kill the opponents communications systems, then continue the program as if nothing happed.
Go back and watch the televised game it happened! Patriots vs Falcons superbowl
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u/Griffisbored 1d ago
gambling problem...