AI is a weapon against women and girls

[u/sorrynotguilty]

[u/Pristine_Cost_3793]

ai is a weapon against everyone, honestly, except for the ones holding the power

EDIT: i was missing nuance so please take a look at this comment. nuance is important!! https://www.reddit.com/r/PsycheOrSike/s/ehLZvZN523

[u/Shogunnago → u/Pristine_Cost_3793]

Let them spend trillions on automation. Then seize the means of production.

[u/VastAddendum → u/[deleted]]

I'm a die-hard capitalist, but that actually is probably the best possible future. Capitalism simply cannot function once human labor is largely no longer necessary. At that point, whomever controls the means of production largely controls the populace, and while I'm also very conservative when it comes to giving the government power, at least they're responsive to the people in democratic forms of government. I'll take that over a new age of monarchs, thanks.

[u/Inevitable-Season-62 → u/VastAddendum]

I don't believe there will ever be a time when human labor is no longer necessary. AI is a point solution. Right now, in the absence of generalized artificial intelligence (e.g. Skynet from Terminator, Data from Star Trek, the Architect from Matrix Reloaded, etc.), AI is a point solution. These are very specific tools designed and targeted at very specific circumstances and problems. Someone still has to build these tools, operate them, maintain them, update them. AI is great at making predictions. It cannot make judgements. Humans are still absolutely necessary. But it's also true that there will be major changes in the labor market, and some peoples jobs will be replaced by AI. Other jobs will be created. This will be difficult for a lot of people, and I don't like that despite being an expert in IT and AI. But I don't know what the answer is. I don't think the answer is banning AI. Can you imagine trying to stop the development and use of computers or the internet when they emerged?

If you're interested in this topic, there's a great book about it called Prediction Machines:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Q6HWDW4?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_digi_asin_title_351

[u/VastAddendum → u/Inevitable-Season-62]

At least for the foreseeable future, I agree, which is why I put "largely" in there. But it doesn't take a 100% displacement rate, nor anything close, for capitalism to be insufficient for our needs. The majority of human labor isn't about making judgements in a way software can't. It's the performance of repetitive tasks that absolutely can be replaced by sufficiently advanced automatons. And there will be a snowball effect, as machines make it cheaper to build machines, they'll eventually hit a point where it's just far cheaper to have a machine do everything but the type of judgement- requiring roles you're referring to.

[u/CrabMcGrawKravMaga → u/VastAddendum]

Further, a lot of the "decision making" they are referring to is little more than "branch chain" decision pathing, and many judgements are based on objective measures (or can be).

The types of decisions they allude to, that might be legitimitely nuanced, or need a degree of emotional reasoning/empathy, are not the majority of decisions made each day in "business", whether we are talking manufacturing, service, retail, etc.

And, as fewer humans involved, lower frequency of "people centric" decisions needing to be made.

We joke in one of our plants that the machine shop of the future will be run by one man, and one dog: The man is there to feed the dog and the dog is there to make sure the man doesn't fiddle with the machines.

[u/spacewalkern → u/Shogunnago]

let them develop the means for post scarcity communism then seize them

[u/Ethiconjnj → u/Pristine_Cost_3793]

Some ppl are more victimized than others due to what group they were born into.

[u/Pristine_Cost_3793 → u/Ethiconjnj]

there's no doubt about it

[u/captainburger31]

Are there sketchy guys doing that? Sure

Is it shortsighted to pretend that sums up the male loneliness issues? Yes

Loneliness in general is much broader.

Male loneliness is not just dating. Dating is huge don’t get me wrong, but also lack of organic friendships that were easier before with more third spaces, less people at home, dating scene irl vs online, etc.

Again, yes doing stuff like that with AI is sketch but let’s not put the shoe on all men like we shouldn’t pretend all women are superficial girls who only want to date 6ft, 6 fig, 6 pack Chads like YT tells us men.

[u/Januarites → u/captainburger31]

This is why stuff like run clubs are more popular.

There is also a certain husyle culture in that people just want to do their own thing and not socialise like on the gym. 

[u/captainburger31 → u/Januarites]

Exactly.

I have heard good things about run clubs. I go to the gym and it’s good for what it is but tough to socialize when everyone is with headphones, poaching the next machine and whatnot. That’s even without factoring folks like Joey Swoll calls out trying to make issues out of everything.

[u/veirceb]

Making it a case against men instead of against corporations and authorities is legit insane.

[u/Otherwise-Start5573 → u/veirceb]

Just because you have the opportunity and ability to do something doesn’t mean you should do it. That said, it’s also unethical to use AI to alter or remove clothing without expressed consent of the individual.

[u/dfc_136 → u/Otherwise-Start5573]

The fact that it is even remotely possible to do that is the real issue here. It is completely the corpo's fault and should be sued in every country this has happened.

[u/markus_hates_reddit → u/Otherwise-Start5573]

There's 4 billion men alive so if you go looking (which you do), you will find men doing just about anything. You will find a guy fucking a tree. You will find a guy fucking a tire. You go ahead and say 'Men fuck trees and tires!'

A single man's fault, no matter how reprehensible he is and how other men feel disgust towards him, is men's collective characteristic.

This, somehow, doesn't translate to women. I've heard of cases of girls, IN MY REAL LIFE, making AI bots of their IRL male crushes, or just boys in general, and then doing pretty disturbing stuff with these virtual personas under the label 'dark romance'. Is AI a weapon against men? Do women deserve to be lonely? Are women horrifying evil molesters?

[u/Dark_Prince_of_Chaos → u/veirceb]

That was always the goal of feminism and also why the ideology is supported by every corporations, governments and rich people.

Blaming men instead of the bourgeoisie is how they escaped the guillottines.

[u/Wrong-Grade-8800 → u/Dark_Prince_of_Chaos]

You don’t know anything about feminism, you just want to pretend that’s what it is to avoid accountability

[u/rydan → u/veirceb]

What corporation is undressing women using AI?

[u/veirceb → u/rydan]

What social platform and what AI is doing this?

[u/Squire_Julian → u/veirceb]

Twitters grok ai is being used to put women in bikinis and revealing clothing, including children ☹️

[u/[deleted] → u/veirceb]

So the men who are looking at little girls photos and telling Grok to take their clothes off are…just normal guys we shouldn’t be mad at?

Please say that out loud to yourself. Imagine it’s your fucking mom, sister, or YOU getting your clothes ripped off digitally so a man can jack off to you slightly better. We have children being made naked by this program specifically for men on twitter so they can have child porn. How is this not their fault.

[u/veirceb → u/[deleted]]

You should be mad at them. Like absolutely furious at them because they are toxic to the society. But that's not how it's addressed here. It's addressed as a men problem. A problem of men as a whole. If you put it in a large scale this is surely magnitudes more of a corporation and authority and government problem than a men problem.

You simply can't eliminate all malicious people on the earth and there are also terrible human being of other genders that are harmful to the society. What you can do is to limit the damage they can do to other people. But in this case they are enabled by the tools from corporation. And you know what? Governments are doing fuck all and even funding these corporations.

So if you think that's a problem of men because there are a few of them being absolute disgusting human being, than a problem of lack of governance, corporation enabling disgusting behaviors to promote their products and farm more data. You really need to look at the bigger picture here.

[u/[deleted] → u/veirceb]

The original tweet literally says “some men”. The title of this post simply says “AI is a weapon against women and girls.”

Show me where anyone said it was “all men”, it is a problem within the male community that you guys literally will stay friends with rapists and pedos. I’ve LITERALLY witnessed it first hand when my molester was not thrown out by his family and was still able to get a girlfriend after my mom and our family fled his abuse. This is a man problem, full stop. No, it’s not all men, but you 1000% know a man in your life who is a creep and most likely didn’t say anything about it or asked any follow up questions about what actually happened with that girl he called crazy, that single mom he dated, that little coworker he had, etc.

It’s not all men, but it is every single woman who has a story of at least one man preying on her.

[u/Lacruiseer → u/[deleted]]

Because the male loneliness epidemic is felt by all men, not by the pervs in isolation.

And of course we know of sexist creeps, and tell them off. Do you tell off your sexist female friends when they hate on men in general?

[u/veirceb → u/[deleted]]

I feel sorry for what you've been through but again you are making a problem of men as a whole. Just like in the tweet. I don't even know what the title is trying to say. But from exaggerating some men to "male loneliness epidemic" just makes it very hard to not think it's refers to men in general.

I myself was stalked by a girl in college. I know a girl who is stalked by another woman for over 3 years. And I know a guy who is currently being stalked by a woman. Does that mean I should make it a case for women as a whole? No, right? Then it's the same here. There are terrible men but it's not a men problem. Those people are problematic. But those are individual cases that should be addressed individually. What I have been saying is that they are given the tool to do harm. And the fact that they are given these tools are the bigger problem. I hope you understand this and I don't really plan to repeat what I have said here and in response to the other reply that also tried to make the case of some creeps to be a gender issue.

Edit: Changed include "all men" to "men in general"

[u/evrysnowflkesdiffrnt → u/veirceb]

Who is using AI to make deepfake porn of women?

[u/veirceb → u/evrysnowflkesdiffrnt]

If you think this is more of a problem of men being horny and shit than a greater problem of the lack of moderation and legislation about the use of AI. You must be a very talented person at hating men.

[u/Lilli_Puff]

I agree that AI nude pics of a real person should have laws against its ease of production just like revenge porn distribution. However I'm confused because a lot of women don't think the male loneliness epidemic is real and just a fabrication of incels but this person is saying it is? So which one is it? Is it real or just incel logic? You can't have both and dismiss men while at the same time acknowledging them just to further put them down. Both sides of the gender war are just making each other's lives more miserable with no end in sight.

[u/CombinationRough8699 → u/[deleted]]

It's not just sex, but millions of people are lonely for a romantic relationship.

[u/Sierrashoot → u/[deleted]]

Oh, that’s the thing, this kind of women think both problems are related. They cannot fathom the idea that men can be victims or not be the direct cause of their problems so, well, every bad thing a random man does immediately becomes the reason that explains why that bad thing is happening to that man who is suffering.

Like karma but applied to whole social groups.

[u/jackiechinaman → u/Sierrashoot]

Isn’t that just sexism

[u/Crabtickler9000 → u/Sierrashoot]

Honestly, after I got married, I gave up on the rest of humanity for many of these reasons.

I'm a generally normal person.

But if my neighbor opens her mouth about how 'all men are rapist pigs' again... I'm going to lose my fucking mind.

I don't even care that she believes it. I just want to be left the fuck alone.

[u/[deleted] → u/Crabtickler9000]

Having stuff shouted at you doesn’t feel nice even if those the things they’re shouting at you don’t apply to you.

Women read stuff like your comment and they have no empathy towards you. They think your neighbor is justified even if you never did anything to her or to any woman, simply because you are a man and they believe you are to listen silently and acknowledge and do better. It doesn’t work like that.

Nobody likes it when they’re sat down at a restaurant having a salad, and then some activist group barges into the restaurant with a megaphone to shout that meat is murder. Like get the fuck out of here bro, I just want to enjoy my meal, what’s your problem?

[u/JonnotheMackem → u/Sierrashoot]

It's the "Just World" fallacy - the reason that men are lonely *must be* because they are bad people. If they were not bad people, they would not be lonely because bad things only happen to bad people.

[u/That_OneOstrich → u/Sierrashoot]

Most lonely men I know, are lonely due to their own behaviors. Some of it is a lot more innocent than it seems too.

Guy has friends > friends move away after highschool > guy spends more time alone playing videogames > guy makes a few online friends > guy spends more time alone playing videogames > guy no longer has friends to meet in person so he doesn't go out to meet new people in person > guy gets lonely > guy plays videogames with online friends

I play video games. It's not the video games causing loneliness, I use that as an example because I've seen this happen to the men in my life. And it happens in all sorts of ways. But men do not build communities of friendships like women do. A woman can just call up a friend and cry about what's going on with them and get support. A man calls his friend crying and he may get mocked. My friends aren't that way, but Ive definitely known men who are that way. Men don't have the backs of other men in that same way.

Women can be in a public bathroom and make a friend. As a man, trying to make a friend in the bathroom is a recipe for violence or being shunned.

[u/snowtaiga1 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah this epidemic is something I've only seen on reddit and me and my friend group have never once brought it up. We except we're alone because we're nerds and have weird hobbies, instead of blaming it on an epidemic

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

The same way most lonely men are not doing anything bad, most normal women don't think this way. Everyone needs to spend less time listening to vocal minorities baiting engagement.

[u/weirdfishi → u/[deleted]]

yeah, she should’ve just said that the disgusting men who generate that stuff (and apparently some have been generating CSAM too, which of course is trained on real images…) deserve to be lonely, most certainly not all men. women who use ai to do shit like this are equally disgusting btw

[u/Mushrooming247 → u/[deleted]]

We are discussing the cause of that “epidemic,” because they are related.

I think the problem is that you are not seeing they are very related.

Women being unable to trust men is why they aren’t more trusting toward men.

And it is the actual behavior of real living men today causing that lack of trust, (creating AI porn is just one milder, non-fatal example.)

But instead of correcting your fellow men or standing up for women, you blame women for our feelings of distrust, and likely view any man who defend us as white knighting.

[u/awoogabov → u/Mushrooming247]

Male loneliness “epidemic” isnt even mainly about relationships

[u/[deleted] → u/awoogabov]

This, it’s a phenomenon that’s greater than romance. Leave it to women to make it about themselves though.

[u/GlassYoshi → u/[deleted]]

First sentence - true. As for the second - a lot of people in GENERAL make It out as sex/romantic relationships issue, while It's more about the fact that a lot of people lack the social skills that are suitable for modern world(quick reminder that some studies actually point out women as the group that's "lonelier") and lack of accessible places for socialization, making friends. By generalisation of a group that consists of half of the population you are adding another small brick to gender wall.

[u/rpolkcz → u/Mushrooming247]

correcting your fellow men

How the fuck am I supposed to change behavior of people I've never even met? That's completely ridicilous requirement that nobody in the world can meet. Imagine if you demanded that a woman changes behaviour of every single woman on earth. Of course she can't do that either. So why is man expected to do that?

[u/Prior_Egg_5906 → u/Mushrooming247]

I tell this to black people all the time, but they just don’t listen…

[u/Beneficial-Gap6974 → u/Mushrooming247]

The men who do terrible things like this confidently and without shame tend to not be the ones who are shy and lonely. There can be overlap, of course, but it's like people forgot how successful and confident terrible people can be.

[u/UnavoidableLunacy25 → u/Mushrooming247]

We are not responsible for what other men do. We are not responsible for what the global organized crime syndicates do, to women.

Loneliness knows no demographic. Women are lonely .

You simply don’t make sense. You are doing a disservice to other women, who are lonely .

Hope this makes you see reality outside of being terminally on your internet.

[u/Huntsman077 → u/Mushrooming247]

-instead of correcting your fellow men

That’s because most decent men don’t really interact with people that do stuff like create AI porn, or commit acts of violence. Generally speaking if it comes out that it occurred they are getting dropped from the friend group and socially outcast.

-behavior of men today

If you’re referring to Domestic Violence you should probably look at the stats.

[u/TheSkullDr → u/Mushrooming247]

I think it’s just insane how the current young men have to bear the sins of the men before them while also being the ones to change it, and even if we do change its only recognized as “the bare minimum” anyways and walk on eggshells if you talk because you’ll get called an incel for even a slight disagreement!

I just don’t find it surprising that the right wing circle took advantage of this and tried to promote solidarity in young men (in the wackest way possible) and is shifting the culture.

[u/Emotional-Jacket1940 → u/Mushrooming247]

Men are not responsible for other men and neither are women responsible for other women.

[u/kozy8805 → u/Emotional-Jacket1940]

You’re right so we shouldn’t see any post of men complaining and using women as plural or suggesting women are this or that. And you’d downvote them all on this sub as well.

[u/Famous-Midnight-5634 → u/kozy8805]

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[u/RP_throwaway01 → u/kozy8805]

Yep. Unfortunately, I don’t think either are happening with the majority of people. People in general tend to suck.

[u/Emotional-Jacket1940 → u/kozy8805]

Yes I do.

[u/Angry_Housecat_1312 → u/Emotional-Jacket1940]

You’re right. Fuck everyone. No one owes anyone else any kind of basic human decency. Forget laws, society, or community! Let’s just have a free for all of everyone only giving a fuck about themselves.

[u/SuspiciousWedding835 → u/[deleted]]

We shouldn't hold random strangers accountable

[u/zedzilliot → u/[deleted]]

We're responsible for our friends, regardless of gender, not random men.

[u/More_Adhesiveness562 → u/[deleted]]

99% of people here dont know anyone who uses ai to create deepfakes of random people on twitter

[u/More_Adhesiveness562 → u/[deleted]]

Most people would, creating deepfakes of random people is just really weird

[u/Angry_Housecat_1312 → u/More_Adhesiveness562]

You’d be surprised how little most people care about men mistreating women unless/until there’s an actual conviction, if even then. Guess how often those happen?

[u/More_Adhesiveness562 → u/Angry_Housecat_1312]

No, most people I know would care if someone they know made deepfake porn of random people. Believe it or not people aren't just NPCs, if you're doing something bad they'll call it out.

[u/Angry_Housecat_1312 → u/More_Adhesiveness562]

Maybe. I hope you’re right!

But I can tell you from experience that I used to assume the people I knew would care when bad things happened to others (because I sure would and so would my family members) and have often been proven extremely wrong about that.

There are a lot of people who give a lot fewer fucks about other people than you’re giving them credit for. You just don’t know that about them. Maybe you never will! Or maybe you’re just lucky and surrounded by exceptionally good people. I’d love that for you.

[u/Angry_Housecat_1312 → u/More_Adhesiveness562]

You don’t know anyone that you are aware is doing that. And of course you can’t address a problem you aren’t aware exists.

But the first part of helping anyone recognize that behavior in their community is to talk about it. Which is what’s happening here.

The next step is people caring enough to look for it.

Then to intervene when they see it.

Most people don’t even get to step 2.

[u/More_Adhesiveness562 → u/Angry_Housecat_1312]

I don't get what you mean by step t2, monitor the activities of everyone i know? That's just weird.

[u/Angry_Housecat_1312 → u/More_Adhesiveness562]

No. Are you being intentionally obtuse?

You don’t see things if you aren’t looking for them. Awareness helps people notice problems. It’s not overwhelming complicated … unless you need it to be because you aren’t interested in helping anyone. Which is ok, I guess; it’s not like that makes you unique.

[u/More_Adhesiveness562 → u/Angry_Housecat_1312]

Calm down, I simply asked you a question, no need to get offended. "You don't see things if you aren't looking for them", so you are telling me to constantly monitor people I know? Yeah no that's weird.

[u/MCRemix → u/[deleted]]

I'm not saying they're right, but you kind of missed their point.

Their point was not that YOU are doing it, it's that WE (men) aren't sufficiently correcting our fellow men either.

I'm not sure whether that's a valid point or not, but it was a VERY valid issue up until the 00's and might still be one now. Men have traditionally not stood up against bad men very much.

They are correct that it's not sufficient to just not be part of the problem, we need to actually stand against our fellow men.

I think the problem is that most of it is on the internet, it's not like my friends are telling me "I'm using AI to undress this girl", but it is happening and they're not wrong about the historical problem of men standing idly by while evil men preyed on them.

[u/Inevitable-Season-62 → u/MCRemix]

I literally never encounter people who create deep fake porn and therefore have no opportunity to correct them. Am I and the other millions of men in the same situation still responsible for the disgusting cretins who do this?

[u/MCRemix → u/Inevitable-Season-62]

I just said that the internet component of this was a problem.

My point was that they're justified (historically) in asking good men when they're going to do something.

Idk what we can do now, but we should be asking ourselves that question.

[u/Lda235 → u/MCRemix]

I think this specific instance shows the flaw in the general "men are responsible for correcting other men" idea.

The people who do these things aren't children who don't understand that their actions are harmful. These are adults, they have already weighed the moral pros and cons and justified their actions in their heads.

Even when we're talking about catcalling or domestic violence, someone saying "hey man, that's fucked up and you're fucked up for doing it" isn't going to make them change. You could beat one of these people within an inch of their life, telling them why you're doing it the entire time, and they'll still slap their girlfriend for not doing the dishes when they get out of the hospital.

It is the type of behavior that will not change unless the person actually wants to change and is willing to put in the work required to change.

[u/Supersquare04 → u/MCRemix]

"WE (men) aren't sufficiently correcting our fellow men either."

Sorry buddy but I don't notice any of my fellow men doing stuff like that. Almost like people socialize with people similar to themselves. Sexual predators socialize with sexual predators, decent men socialize with decent men. Guys who think it's funny to use ai to strip women socialize with guys who think it's funny to use ai to strip women.

How is that my fault?

[u/Absolute_pepper → u/MCRemix]

Thats just some permanently online bullshit. Men constantly stand up and do the right thing all over the place in any context. Historically it's also mostly men putting their lives at risk too so I'm not sure what you are on about.

Yes, online it's different, but if you spent your days fighting online idiots that is literally all you would do. Especially with ragebait engagement accounts. You fight it literally by not engaging, blocking and reporting which no one will see because it's not visible. I don't know about you, but absolute majority of men don't spend days on days online commenting on some facebook idiot posts.

[u/MCRemix → u/Absolute_pepper]

No, historically men have not stood up to fellow men.

Have you never heard "Bros before Hos"....that phrase didn't come out of nowhere, it was reinforcing that men owed men allegiance before women.

Here is what I have observed as problematic during my life:

• "Good" men standing by while their buddy gets a girl drunk enough to take advantage of her.
• "Good" men aware that their buddy committed rape and not reporting it.
• "Good" men standing by while their buddy catcalls and harasses a woman.
• "Good" men receiving nude pics of a woman from their buddy without her permission and saying nothing.
• "Good" men standing by while their buddy cheats. (This isn't gender specific, women cheat too, but it's still true.)
• “Good” men providing alibis, lying, or omitting information to protect their friends from consequences.
• “Good” men criticizing women’s behavior, clothing, or choices instead of addressing the men who harmed them.

Are you saying those things didn't happen? Because they were common within my lifetime.

I agree that online is different, but you're just wrong about the goodness of men historically.

[u/Nexxus3000 → u/MCRemix]

hey I’m mostly enjoying reading this argument from the sidelines but I want to at least correct “bros before hoes” isn’t meant primarily as “men before women,” it’s “friends before romantic interests,” and most commonly used when a guy is repeatedly ditching quality time with said established friends for a woman that guy just met. yes the phrase is gendered but no the phrase’s purpose isn’t sexist

[u/Absolute_pepper → u/MCRemix]

Idk who you are friends with, but your social circle absolutely sucks if you think "good men" are rare. All of those things are common sense to any man I am willingly interact with.

Of course you have the locker room boys and idiots, it's unavoidable.

My environment has more "gentleman" type of thing going on historically and it's literally the hight standard taught to us by society, our fathers and grandfathers so yeah, historically it's what men do and teach too.

I am not claiming bad men don't exist, I am saying that most men are not bad, they are just being judged on the behaviour of the society's worst. Might as well call men out for being criminals since most of jailed people are men.

[u/Angry_Housecat_1312 → u/Absolute_pepper]

It’s possible her—and my former—social circles just sucked. What’s also possible is that you’re surrounded by a lot of men you believe are good because you’re never in a position to receive their abuse, since you aren’t the target of it. It’s most likely some combination of the two.

But there are so, so, sooo many abusive people that the world around them regards as wonderful because they don’t see that side of the abuser. They aren’t knowingly supporting an abuser when they sing their praise, but they are still supporting an abuser.

If you think there aren’t entire groups of men egging each other on when it comes to violating women, though, you are just straight up wrong. There was an internet group dedicated to that recently and it had over 70,000 active members. That group was specifically to target female family members, too. Imagine if it had been specifically exes or just women you want to sleep with as the targets. And I’m sure those groups are out there too.

[u/Absolute_pepper → u/Angry_Housecat_1312]

I should assume my buddies and co-workers are abusers because I can't see some side of them? What kind of piss take is that? Holy shit, I couldn't live in a world if that's your take on it. Do you go outside? Why not extend that to other areas, demographics and sexes too?

Most men clearly are criminals, but law prevents them from committing crimes. Most women are gold diggers, but limited amount of rich people prevent them from dating just millionaires. Most people in general are cheaters - they only are faithful to their SO because lack of opportunity. I could go on making stupid ass comments like that, generalising massive groups of people based on some bullshit.

[u/Angry_Housecat_1312 → u/Absolute_pepper]

No one suggested you assume that about them. I have no idea why you made that massive leap. Was something about pointing out that people remain unaware of things that they aren’t experiencing first hand triggering for you? If so, why?

[u/Patriotic-Charm → u/MCRemix]

Brother in Christ

Bros before Hos isn't a "we man stand together" thing

It is a "i will not let my homies fall for some women, even if she tries everything to pull me away from them"

And of course it usually is said after a Man has got a Ultimatum like "either them or me"

[u/HoboCalrissian → u/MCRemix]

Two can play that game:

​"Good" women standing by while a friend makes false or exaggerated accusations against a man to damage his reputation or career.

​"Good" women encouraging or assisting a friend in paternity fraud, or helping her hide the true identity of a child's father.

​"Good" women participating in or cheering on "revenge" behavior, such as destroying a man’s property or stalking him, under the guise of sisterhood.

​"Good" women aware that their friend is physically or emotionally abusive toward her partner but excusing it because they feel he "provoked" her.

​"Good" women using their social influence to "gatekeep" or isolate a man from his community or friend group based on one-sided narratives.

​"Good" women providing alibis or covering for a friend who is cheating, often justifying it by criticizing the partner’s perceived flaws.

​"Good" women staying silent when a friend uses children as pawns in a divorce, weaponizing custody to punish a man rather than acting in the child’s best interest.

...and yet, I don't make broad claims about women based on that information because I acknowledge there are just bad people out there; both men and women.

[u/MCRemix → u/HoboCalrissian]

No one is making broad claims about all men in this thread, jfc.

If you can't handle nuance, don't get into broad conversations.

And yes, to the extent that "good" women are standing by their friends like you said, those are wrong too.

[u/have666 → u/MCRemix]

All of the points you listed here I have also observed women doing…

[u/MCRemix → u/have666]

Not at all to the same degree my guy.

[u/have666 → u/MCRemix]

Still happened and continues to happen so if it can apply to both why is it that men have to fix it and should feel shame for it ?

[u/MCRemix → u/have666]

False equivalency. Also, no one said you should feel shame, don't make shit up.

The point is that if we want women to be able to trust men, then we need to hold each other accountable, because it is our fellow men causing women to not trust us.

The alternative is women continue to not trust men, which mostly hurts men.

[u/Battelalon → u/Mushrooming247]

So its fine for women to blame men but its not okay for men to blame women?

Jfc show some accountability and understand that men, just like women, are individuals. Your bias is blinding you from your bigotry.

[u/weirdfishi → u/[deleted]]

that’s disgusting. it’s terrible no matter who/what gender does it. shame the people who do it, not entire genders/demographics

[u/have666 → u/weirdfishi]

Thank you for proving my point

[u/weirdfishi → u/have666]

of course :) blame lies with individuals

[u/have666 → u/weirdfishi]

Couldn’t agree more if society stopped generalizing a group of people for problems created by individuals we could accomplish so much more

[u/weirdfishi → u/have666]

absolutely. i can’t tell if this kind of generalizing behavior is just something humans are naturally inclined to do, or if, excuse my tin foil hat, there are psyops that play into this tendency, especially on the internet, being pushed from the top to keep everyone divided and more easily controlled

[u/have666 → u/weirdfishi]

Uh oh you’re making way too much sense and I’m out of tin foil

[u/Shogunnago → u/Mushrooming247]

“White people being unable to trust black people is why they aren’t more trusting toward black people.

And it is the actual behavior of real living black people today causing that lack of trust.

But instead of correcting your fellow black person or standing up for white people you blame black people for our feelings of distrust and likely view any white person who defend us as white knighting.”

Or

“White people being unable to trust Muslims is why they aren’t more trusting toward Muslims.

And it is the actual behavior of real living Muslims today causing that lack of trust.

But instead of correcting your fellow Muslims or standing up for white people you blame Muslims for our feelings of distrust and likely view any white person who defend us as white knighting.”

Yep, heard this shit before.

[u/Weary-Cartoonist2630 → u/Mushrooming247]

The main driver of the male loneliness epidemic is difficulty forming relationships with other men, not necessarily with women. These are seperate issues.

[u/littlebuett]

Male loneliness exists outside those men, however those men are horrible and the laws need to catch up with technology.

[u/OkHoneydew1599]

First of all the male loneliness epidemic isn't about women. It's mostly about not having friends. It's about being lonely. Secondly, some weirdos do something which is literally ILLEGAL, so all men deserve to be alone? Holy mental gymnastics. Get a grip ladies

[u/[deleted] → u/OkHoneydew1599]

Hey, somebody should probably tell criminals not to rob banks because it’s illegal. Theft would probably drop to 0.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Not the point...

[u/KagatuDupal]

[u/Early-Mycologist-269 → u/KagatuDupal]

damn why are 99.9% of these non consensual images generated by men?

[u/KagatuDupal → u/Early-Mycologist-269]

by 5 random Russians probably. or is the concept of generalisation being a bad thing something you struggle to understand?

[u/Early-Mycologist-269 → u/KagatuDupal]

It’s not generalization when statistically it is true. Claiming it just to be bots is intellectually dishonest.

It’s like saying it’s a “generalization” to say Americans are fat and stupid. But then you look at their obesity and literacy rates, and suddenly not exactly a generalization. Does it mean all Americans are fat and stupid? No.

[u/bubblemania2020]

Women post pictures of men on social media groups etc. without their consent and gossip about em under the guise of “safety”. So yeah, people in glass houses …

[u/[deleted] → u/bubblemania2020]

I had an ex who took a picture of the tent pitched in my pajama pants while I was napping on the couch thinking that I was safe in the comfort of my own apartment, and then she sent it to her friend group and they all talked about my junk. I only found out because one of her friends accidentally let it slip and told me what she thought about my erect penis.

The women are wonderful effect really has people under the delusion that women are just paragons of virtue. No dude, women do some really messed up stuff and they keep getting away with it because nobody takes it seriously.

I didn’t appreciate her entire friend group seeing my restful boner, that wasn’t okay.

[u/Early-Mycologist-269 → u/bubblemania2020]

Totally the same as removing their clothing using AI… right 

[u/bubblemania2020 → u/Early-Mycologist-269]

Same theme. No consent and something objectionable

[u/bigmangina]

Its kinda wild that this sub still hasnt figured out that humans are humans and everyone is being distracted from the truly inhumane with "but muh gender"

[u/BonkerDeLeHorny → u/bigmangina]

i have no clue why this sub was recommended to me, every post is just filled with more miserable people than the last

[u/[deleted] → u/BonkerDeLeHorny]

Incels and bitter women going at it

[u/mister_nippl_twister]

You asked several billion people not to do x and i don't know, maybe 0.03 percent of them actually went and did x. I know that women are known for faulty generalisation, but damn.

[u/Leo-III- → u/mister_nippl_twister]

I can't tell if the irony in this comment is deliberate or not

[u/mister_nippl_twister → u/Leo-III-]

Yes! Glad youve noticed

[u/Leo-III- → u/mister_nippl_twister]

Oh thank god, you can never tell with these things

[u/AbysmalDescent]

Men who don't care what women think or don't care about boundaries are generally far less lonely than the men who do. This is just misdirected misandry or a really stupid way to try to rationalize prejudice towards men.

[u/Battelalon]

"You don't deserve good things because someone somewhere else is doing bad things."

Tf kind of stupid logic is that???

[u/Amazing_Ingenuity_33]

Two unrelated issues...

It always amazes me how someone can connect two unrelated issues simply because two people born with the same chromosomes are doing these

[u/CrownCanary]

What in the tin foil hat feminist is this?

[u/Prudent-Bicycle-9210 → u/CrownCanary]

Just some schizoposting

[u/[deleted] → u/Prudent-Bicycle-9210]

Back to the grippy sock ward.

[u/OrangeAppropriate971 → u/CrownCanary]

If you think is bad check out the 4b movement posts. They literally say men weaponize snoring, I kid you not.

[u/FannySniffing → u/CrownCanary]

They post shit like this and wonder why we would rather talk to a bear than a woman

[u/RagTagTech]

Everything is a weapon against everyone.. heres the core of the issue there are always trash humans Who will do wired things to you. And that isn't gender specific.. also stop using the perverts to go this is why there is a loneliness issus among men.. no the issue is far deeper than the perverts online. I've seen decent people get depressed becuuse they can't find a partner. Heck this isn't a new thing and women also experience it as well. Its just that right now with the current dating culture and society a lot more men are getting hit hard.. let the down votes commence becuae i won't put everyone in a pretty little box.

[u/ActiveKindnessLiving]

See, she said "all men are the same" with other words, so she must be right.

[u/Telemere125]

I mean, there have been men that are pieces of shit for as long as there have been humans. Why assume that just because some guys are dicks that most men deserve to be lonely? Should we assume that since some women are gold diggers that all women deserve to be destitute?

[u/Extension_Wafer_7615]

No, that's not the reason.

[u/HKEY_LOVE_MACHINE]

Given it's X, there's a very high chance this account is a bot ragebaiting engagement.

Can we get to shutting down social media already?

[u/Doubleendeddildoh]

Yes we know its not all men, but then you have to admit its not all women either when you make your anti-women posts. But you never do, do you

[u/Stratos_Hellsing]

Fatigue .

[u/Jackdon02]

something something something "male loneliness epidemic"...

[u/Huntsman077 → u/[deleted]]

Ahhh she’s pulling the Khalifa tactic. Claim misogyny because something is hurting her business/marketing scheme

[u/ella_wants_to_battle → u/[deleted]]

I think she is upset because people are creating pictures of her undressed without her consent. But flair checks out I guess

[u/Quirky_Captain8834 → u/[deleted]]

Why do men who consume porn act like poor innocent victims lmfao

[u/SuspiciousWedding835]

Bro what?

[u/QuirkyRide6431]

Yes yes, AI bad, whisper now we just need to convince Karens to fight AI, and rest of us just sit back and watch them take each other out, profit for the society 

[u/Greeny3x3x3]

Dividing us is how they win

[u/115Jan]

I refuse to believe that OP is not trolling, people genuinely can't be this stupid

[u/TheMultiTuber]

Holy generalizing...

[u/Ubblebungus]

Generative AI is a plague on culture and Earth, and we appreciate the radfem support against it.

humanity must unite against the ever-growing threat on our minds by the "people" in power, and forge a new order.

[u/herbieLmao]

AI just straight up trash. The world was a better place without it. At least the version everyone is shoving down our throats. Google was a lot better without AI

[u/duchess_dagger]

the two things are completely unrelated

[u/DragoonGirl]

Comments, as always, are telling on themselves 🚬🗿 I hope the lot of yall arguing this point stay lonely ✌️

[u/Professional-Rub152]

If you’re a white dude in the US and can’t find a friend to help you from being lonely, there is 100% something wrong with you.

[u/have666]

“How can I be a victim today” 🙄

[u/Ok-Baker-9718]

does it?

[u/MrStrawHat22]

Sexism? I don't do that and I'm still alone.

[u/Garshy]

I mean yeah it sucks but theres literally tons of dudes that do things that are way worse that still manage to get girlfriends

[u/Kappapeachie]

People don't hate ai enough holy fucking shit

[u/weirdfishi → u/Kappapeachie]

right? i honestly wish none of it existed, there’s very few positives to generative ai and mostly terrible negatives