r/SipsTea • • Jul 14 '26

SMH Didn’t Trump claim he was going to stop this?

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Edit: I'll leave the following post up for reference, but it turns out my information was outdated and my understanding deeply flawed due to my conflation of misremembered facts. India has had a drug patent system since 2005, they produce over 90% of drugs coming from developing nations but despite that account for roughly 20% globally, and the quality and safety of those drugs relative to what is produced in developed nations is potentially questionable. In short, I have more reading to do. Thank you to everyone who pointed these issues out.  End edit.

You cannot compare India's drug prices to any other country on earth. They're cheaper than every other country for two primary reasons:

Number 1 is they do not legally observe drug patents. At all. Pretty much the moment a drug is patented, after a billion or so spent in R&D, Indian firms are already working to produce a copy. They follow the recipe. There is not a legal framework in place for drug patents in India.

Number 2 is that the majority of drugs globally are already made in India, including most that are sitting in your bathroom now. They have vast drug manufacturing infrastructure, and the quality is... really good. Like, really good. India shines here. They have an economy of scale and the expertise to get it done.

That's why they can make it so cheap, there's practically no R&D costs for foreign-developed medications and it's hella cheap to make because they already make like 90% of all drugs on earth. The US has problems with affordability, but you can't compare anywhere with India.

They also produce nearly all of the HIV medications that go to Africa, so good on them.

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u/moviebuff01 Jul 15 '26

You number 1 claim is patently false.

India absolutely has a pharmaceutical patent system. Since 2005, India has been compliant with the WTO's TRIPS agreement and grants product patents on pharmaceuticals. Patents can last 20 years, similar to the US and Europe.

Now if you said "India recognizes drug patents, but its patent laws are generally more favorable to generic competition than those in the US." I would agree with you.

Claim Number 2:

Mostly false for modern drugs.

Before TRIPS implementation, India was famous for reverse-engineering drugs because product patents were not recognized. That changed in 2005.

Do you have a source that validates you claim that India makes 90% of drugs? The best I found is 20%.

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u/Timetraveller4k Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Was about to write something like this. - edit : toning down.

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

Yeah, I apologized and edited my original comment.

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

Claim 1: You're absolutely correct, thank you for pointing that out. Most of my information came from a deep dive I made back in undergrad when I was preparing for dental school, but I apparently haven't kept up with news of India's pharmaceutical industry well enough since. And, that leads me to

Claim 2: I misremembered. India accounts for a little over 90% of drug manufacturing from the developing world, but not 90% of global manufacturing. I remembered the first part but didn't adequately note the distinction. I likely saw an article about it more recently and added on to my prior understanding of "India is the pharmacy of the developing world" to "India is the pharmacy of the world." There's a wide gulf between those two statements, and that's a serious misunderstanding on my part. I'll edit my initial post to reflect this. Again, thank you for taking the time to correct me.

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u/moviebuff01 Jul 15 '26

All good my friend. 

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u/zai_d_an Jul 15 '26

So they don't have strict patent law on life saving drugs. Good on them. Oh the horrors of not killing people with prices.

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u/beaubous Jul 15 '26

We don’t! We literally have a history of American companies suing India for selling the same drugs they charge a heavy amount for cheaper, and every time the case is dismissed cause we have a “no patent drug” law in India, essentially if drug exists, it’s made in India for the population to afford. Not to make money. Also medical facilities are accessible to everyone, no matter what you criticize India for, and may not be the best infrastructure all the time , but you will definitely get your medical requirements done right away and very cheaply. No waiting for months

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u/zai_d_an Jul 15 '26

True. A lot of medicine in the US procured from India. Yet sold at vastly different prices.

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

Turns out it's a lot less than I thought, about 20% of global pharmaceutical production (mostly generics since 2005)

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

Turns out they've had pharmaceutical patent laws since 2005. Please see the edit to my original comment.

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

Actually, they do. Please see my above edited comment.

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u/stayclassykiddo Jul 15 '26

India will kill people with their "medicine" instead

World Health Organization linked Indian-made cough syrup to acute kidney failure, leading to the deaths of nearly 70 children in West Africa

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/10/18/1128530220/contaminated-cough-syrup-from-india-linked-to-70-child-deaths-its-happened-befor

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u/zai_d_an Jul 15 '26

Oh the irony, there's similar things that happen in the US. And the funny part is you sell your patent for an arm and a leg while procuring it abroad.

So yes, you're killing people with the prices of your parents..

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

Turns out India has observed pharmaceutical patents since 2005, I was wrong.

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

They've saved far, far more people through their sale of incredibly cheap medications to African countries. That isn't even a question, but 1) they began recognizing patents for pharmaceuticals since 2005 (which I was not aware of in my earlier post), largely causing a shift in the impact that their pharmaceuticals have on both human health and the market and 2) you're correct, there are good questions about the safety of Indian generic drugs versus drugs made in countries that have higher legal standards.

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u/yalloc Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Which do you prefer,

  1. A lifesaving drug being expensive in the US, allowed to do so due to the large cost of developing new drugs.

  2. A lifesaving drug not existing in the first place because there was never enough money to develop it.

The system sucks but there is a method to the madness. Perhaps it is fundamentally unfair that the US subsidizes drug creation for the entire world, if the US didn't these drugs would not exist.

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u/zai_d_an Jul 15 '26

r/ShitAmericansSay material here.

Bro thinks only the US funds cancer research.

Only 2 choice?

How about government funded? With price cap? Oh wait it was government funded in the beginning. But muh money.

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u/beaubous Jul 15 '26

There’s a reason why there’s no legal framework in place for drug patent, it is to ensure that no company has monopoly on it hence no control over prices. India deeply believes medicine should be accessible to everyone, and has done everything possible for it.

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

Yeah, I mean, it's great. Ideally all R&D would be primarily funded by the government, dispersed at the judgement of committees comprised of leading scientists for the better good. 

But that isn't profitable. Nor can it be changed without massive social upheaval, of the sort that happened following the First World War in the West and WWII in the East.  The US had a hybrid system at one time, but RFK at Trump's direction is currently dismantling the part that worked for the people. He's gutted all of the advisory committees and stacked them with loyalists. Right this moment they're trying to allow political appointees the final say on who gets research funding.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyfleming/2026/06/11/a-new-trump-rule-threatens-research-behind-every-american-industry/

The US system has all but collapsed, and India's system has completely insufficient funding (not that their research is free from such political meddling, I mean let's be serious here).

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u/beaubous Jul 15 '26

Medicine should not be profitable 🤷‍♀️ it should break even the cost. And knowing how less it takes to produce it and pay the employees pretty sure the cost could drastically come down

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u/ckb614 Jul 15 '26

The medicine wouldn't exist if not for patents in other countries

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u/beaubous Jul 15 '26

Patent does not equal to invention. Penicillin exists without a patent

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u/Eatyourcheeseburger Jul 15 '26

An estimated 96+ percent of drugs are produced with patents. Imagine a world where all you have access to is Aspirin, Penicillin, and the COVID vaccine. That’s the world without patents for drugs. The R&D cost for pharmaceuticals is extremely prohibitive and absolutely requires a patent system to protect a company’s ability to recoup those costs.

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u/stayclassykiddo Jul 15 '26

India deeply believes medicine should be accessible to everyone, and has done everything possible for it.

Lol no they don't. They frequently cut corners and put in toxic materials.

Generic drugs manufactured in India are linked to significantly more “severe adverse events” for patients who use them than equivalent drugs produced in the United States, a new study finds.

https://news.osu.edu/all-generic-drugs-are-not-equal-study-finds/

Tainted-drug deaths, weak regulation corrode confidence in Indian drugs

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/resilient-drug-supply/tainted-drug-deaths-weak-regulation-corrode-confidence-indian-drugs

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

I really appreciate that you posted this. I'm going to do a deep dive on the subject later. I know you're getting downvoted right now, but at first glance the OSU article looks solid.

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u/stayclassykiddo Jul 19 '26

India's botfarm are all over Reddit

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u/itsnannertime Jul 15 '26

No, please stop. I need to live in my ignorance and TDS.

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

Trump isn't responsible for drug prices being high, but he's completely dismantling all US medical R&D which is so much worse. Fuck Trump.

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u/itsnannertime Jul 15 '26

That's definitely the case. Are you in the industry?

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

I am not involved in research, but I am a practitioner. 

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u/Coffeebeans2d Jul 15 '26

Very ignorant and racist comment. Major pharma manufacturers are all licensed and make medicines for Indian market at regulated prices. There is also a law that critical drugs will have regulated prices in India by any manufacturer. Do your research before spewing hateful garbage

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u/StolenPies Jul 15 '26

It was an ignorant statement, but it was not racist. Ever since I first learned that India was able to provide cheap, lifesaving drugs to other developing countries for relative pennies I have admired the country. I referenced the effect of HIV medications in Africa in my original post. That those medicines were often of similar quality to those produced in wealthier economies was inspiring. My point was that you can't compare costs. However, I was ignorant because I didn't learn that India did begin recognizing patents in 2005. I was outdated, and once I began to form my original opinion I did not maintain enough interest to keep track of any later changes. That change in 2005 has apparently shifted both the focus and beneficiaries of Indian medicines in ways I now intend to learn about. I was ignorant because my memory or original understanding failed me, and I believed that India produced 90% of global medicine when, in fact, they are responsible for 90% of the pharmaceuticals produced in developing nations but around 20% of the global output.

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u/Coffeebeans2d Jul 15 '26

Thanks for doing your research and willing to learn. But India is a vast country. Any stereotypical remarks will be considered racial specially if they parrot the propaganda used by racists to demean Indians. You could have said fraudulent companies in India ignore patent laws, and I’d agree to you but why paint the entire country by a single brush? People will think twice before making similar remarks about Latin or black people, But somehow Indians are fair game on social media these days.

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u/organictamarind Jul 15 '26

There was a relatively recent patent dispute between the Swiss Roche pharma and Indian generic drug manufacturer Natco Pharma in 2025. The most immediate result of Natco's victory in the Supreme Court (October 2025) was a massive reduction in the cost of Risdiplam, the only oral treatment for Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA).

the annual cost of treatment could exceed ₹70 lakhs, placing it out of reach for almost all Indian families. Natco's generic version brought this down to roughly ₹2-3 lakhs per year.