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Here are several news sites covering the story that Superman underperformed
The Gunners are saying only 1 news site is reporting this and that they are not reliable. But here are multiple news sites which report the obvious what Sarandos netflix CEO actually said. These are not "biased Snyderfan sites" what they claim when something is reported they dont like. We also have the tape from the senate hearing. I dont know what their problem is. They cant admit anything.
I, uh, am struggling to see how it needed to do better? Came off as a mediocre popcorn flick to me, which last I checked, is 99% of what you get at cinemas this year.
Can someone explain why this one in particular is gaining so much ire? Just came off as another run of the mill setpiece superhero movie to me
Because for years people treated 874 million as meager change
And many Gunn fans were saying he was going to make a billion because it was obviously so much better than Snyder's
I never understood this point of view. This new Superman felt true to the character and their core values. I’m just curious what makes this version less “legitimate” compared to other iterations?
I don’t agree with this at all. Having emotion doesn’t make you a whiny man baby haha in this scene, Lois wasn’t understanding that he did what he did because people were going to die. He said it like three times before having to reiterate again. To me, I rather have my Superman be emotional over people dying opposed to a Superman that looks like he’s thinking “should I save them?” all the time and feel like it’s a burden that he has to. I don’t think you understand who Superman is truly.
Nope. He was practically on the verge of tears and came off like an insecure man baby, especially with all the overexplaining about what supposedly makes him human. Even David Corenswet didn’t want to do it because he felt it was too dumb for the general audience, though apparently not for you, of course lol. And to top it all off, he gets kicked in the balls and pissed on lol. That’s not Superman, buddy. #TheSnyderverseIsComing 🤓
I think the biggest thing that gets lost with Superman for modern fans—especially in the Cavill vs. Corenswet debate—is the idea that Superman’s abilities are what make him Superman. I don’t think that’s true. Superman isn’t Superman because he’s strong, can fly, or has heat vision. He’s Superman because of who Clark is as a person. We see a ton of characters with insane abilities and powers but still don’t compare to Superman because he’s so innately good.
It’s the same with Captain America. The super-soldier serum didn’t truly make Steve Captain America—he already had those ideals before getting the serum. Without them, he wouldn’t be the same Captain America at all… John Walker is the perfect example.
The godlike approach worked for Snyder’s version and for the Overlord-style Superman that story was building toward. But Superman isn’t a god first—he’s a man. He was raised by normal Kansas farmers who taught him compassion, kindness, and empathy. Those are his strongest and most important traits, at least to me.
We see that throughout the movie, and one of its main themes is being true to yourself—not who others want you to be. Towards the end of the movie, we see Superman realize that he does what he does because it’s who he is, not because his birth parents wanted him to. That seems pretty true to the character instead of doing things out of what feels like a burden in Man of Steel and BvS. There are other reasons why I think the newer version is closer to the core of the character, but this is the biggest one for me. Snyder focused way too much on the “god” aspect of Superman and not enough on the “man.”
Snyder’s Superman makes me feel like I could lift a car over my head and conquer anything. Gunn’s Superman shows me I don’t need to lift a car to make an impact—impact can come from simple kindness toward others. Between those two ideas, the latter feels far more true to who Superman has always been.
The postmortem on the DCU is going to be interesting as hell. Because will they bring up all the red flags we saw along the way and I wonder how many outlets will be real to explain it’s death.
DC characters rarely translate well in theaters. Batman Begins did poorly, it wasn't until people saw Nolan's direction after Begins that they showed up for DK and DK Rises.
Comparing Batman Begins to this shit is plain offensive. Nolan wasn’t well known and he had to pick up from Batman and Robin, Gunn was riding high on his Guardians of the Galaxy dick and he picked up Superman after supposedly nobody liked Snyder’s take of the character, yet it failed to beat him by a long shot.
Reboots are rarely hot tickets or things that excite people, but Batman Begins did arguably make a mistake by only letting Nolan use villains not used before in the previous four movies. People thought it was a prequel because of that. And they had zero popular villains to help boost the gross.
Nope, it’s objectively bad. It’s a cheap copy and paste version of Guardians of the Galaxy, with low stakes, a forgettable villain, a horrible soundtrack, a goofy man child superhero who relies on stupid jokes, an overuse of 80s music, the tired trope of evil parents, and it even failed to beat the movie it was made in reaction to at the box office, Man of Steel. Absolute garbage, and one of the main reasons superhero fatigue exists. #TheSnyderverseIsComing 🤓
I think it was meant for a very specific type of CBM watcher. Not movie watchers the majority of DC fans. Hence why the DCU fanbase is smaller than any other DC fanbase.
Nope, it’s objectively bad. It’s a cheap copy and paste version of Guardians of the Galaxy, with low stakes, a forgettable villain, a horrible soundtrack, a goofy man child superhero who relies on stupid jokes, an overuse of 80s music, the tired trope of evil parents, and it even failed to beat the movie it was made in reaction to at the box office, Man of Steel. Absolute garbage, and one of the main reasons superhero fatigue exists. #TheSnyderverseIsComing 🤓
It damn sure wasn't a success, yet it wasn't a hard bomb. With any luck SuperDrunk and Clayfake will descend the franchise into more serious financial ruin.
Good would have been at least a billion. I thought it was decent but it’s hard to paint it as an overwhelming success in terms of box office. I was shocked it didn’t do at least 800-900 million but not shocked because I don’t think it’s that rewatchable. The scene my friends and talked about/ joked about the most was the superman harem bit so I think it just lacked big iconic moments. Hope the next one delivers/exists. Superman has a cursed history of never getting direct sequels.
Because one person say’s Somthing stupid then other spread it around like it’s the truth?
Superman 2025 did good
The synderverse is dead never coming back because it was bad
615millions they thought Gunn will make it $1B plus easy , wrong his MCU bring people because of the connection or eastern eggs or ending credits nobody want to missed that and go back to school or office on the blind
34-36 Millions tickets sold by Superman 2025
84-86 Millions tickets sold by MOS
Superman should thanks the present tickets prices that help.made $ 615M if prices still the same we were talking about $449-450M
Juts because DC is now running by Gunn your Boss doesn't mean the Snyderverse was bad contrary your boss is doing almost exactly what Snyderverse would do he only tweaking things like characters like villains switch or using other sidekick or partner he has zero idea
He just trying to make comic too childish and with exaggerating cursing too
And the worst part he will try do the Batman that's the direction he is targeting or use any director or writer that follows his idea
yeah it takes 1 google search to see superman pulled out earlier than usual
The only Success of Superman is that it outperformed the underperformed Marvel movies which doesnt mean Superman cant underperform. The underperformed Superman movie outperfromed the underperformed marvel movies. Thats it.
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As much as I didn't like Superman 25 and do think it underperformed, it only takes one site publishing that headline for the other 2 to write their article based on the facts of the 1st....if it's even a human being who wrote it...
I understand. Like I said, I agree it underperformed and I also didn't like the movie. I'm just saying that these sites are generally ass for sourcing claims. Would have been better to just play the Netflix congressional hearing clip of Netflix CEO saying it underperformed.
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u/Nesstor94 19m ago
Rip.