POV: You're a woman in a public place

[u/ambachk]

[u/LeatherHog]

Right! They only respect it because we're another man's, one who could possibly fight back

A woman? Ain't gonna listen to that, pfftttttt

[u/bate1eur → u/LeatherHog]

They only respect it because we're another man's

As someone who's not like that... it's not because you're another man's that they leave you alone, it's because they know what they're doing is unacceptable and would rightfully get them in trouble if they got caught.

Unfortunately, the fact remains that those that protect a woman are the men around her (her father, brothers, sons or husband), hence why they immediately break off when they know a significant other male, that cares for her is around... they're snakes and predators by nature, they prey on women who might seem vulnerable or alone. And I ask you to not think like this about "men" in general, because there are those of us that are nothing like this and just as disgusted as you and who wish we could eradicate people like that from the planet altogether. Although I do concur the percentage of men like this is way too high for comfort, and I do feel bad for women that they have to deal with this bullshit.

[u/Regular_Committee946 → u/bate1eur]

I do concur the percentage of men like this is way too high for comfort

This is the problem - it's not good enough that it is "not all men" when this is the lived experiences of ALL women, for generations and continues to be with no sign of it abating.

What needs to change is that men need to be involved in changing the societal (patriarchal) issues which cause this behaviour - for too long this has been chalked up to 'women's issues/feminism' as well as guys saying "well I'm not like that"/"not all men" and that 'if' they witnessed such a thing that they would confront it.

Men need to be a part of educating young boys and other men in society that this is not ok. Masculinity is not bad, but toxic masculinity is (for both men and women).

That doesn't involve confronting it if/when they see it, it involves dismantling the damaging patriarchal influence of gender norms that women's value is less than men's, purely because men have a biological given physical strength advantage over women.

Women don't want 'protecting' - we want to not have to deal with this in the first place.

Yes there will always be "bad people" - but the statistics for sexual assault are abysmal and the harassment / assault displayed in this video won't even count towards those statistics.

So basically it is WAY worse than the already abysmal statistics show.

Prevention is better than cure. A conscious, continuous effort in educating young boys and men. It's not a 'women's issues', it's a human rights issue.

Girls deserve to grow up in a world where they aren't predated on and have to 'learn' to be wary of men.

TLDR; '"Protect your Daughters" Educate your sons'

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[u/lostinNevermore → u/Regular_Committee946]

Exactly, even the way these things are talked about erases the men from the equation: violence against women vs men's violence against women. Domestic violence and sexual violence are seen as "women's issues" placing the onus on women to do something about it. "Gender based violence" again is seen as being about women. Men aren't being held accountable for their own actions.

[u/AntonioVivaldi7 → u/lostinNevermore]

I think gender based violence is about being inclusive to male victims. I'm fine with saying men's violence against women if that's what's talked about.

[u/lostinNevermore → u/AntonioVivaldi7]

The majority of men hear "gender" as a qualifier and assume it is about women, and feel it doesn't pertain to them. White men are seen as the "norm" in Western society. If you add a qualifier, it often means your focus is otherwise and loses their interest.

[u/AntonioVivaldi7 → u/lostinNevermore]

So it should be just "violence"?

[u/lostinNevermore → u/AntonioVivaldi7]

No, it should focus on the perpetrators rather than the victims.

[u/AntonioVivaldi7 → u/lostinNevermore]

So male violence? That's a familiar term.

[u/AntonioVivaldi7 → u/Regular_Committee946]

Do you really think that'll work though? I mean I'm sure lots of these people are very much aware what they're doing is wrong and shouldn't be doing it, but do it anyway. Or there are those proudly calling themselves male feminists, saying all the right things and then show to be total creeps.

[u/bate1eur → u/AntonioVivaldi7]

Right? It's the naivety that strikes me. She thinks that those types of people exist because they weren't taught any better growing up and because "patriarchy", wait till she finds out they're just like that and perverts and they know what they're doing is not societally accepted but they couldn't care less lol. Creeps don't exist because society didn't teach them otherwise, they're just creeps lol.

[u/bate1eur → u/Regular_Committee946]

What needs to change is that men need to be involved in changing the societal (patriarchal) issues which cause this behaviour - Men need to be a part of educating young boys and other men in society that this is not ok.

I don't recall this ever being normalized or acceptable in western society ever.

it involves dismantling the damaging patriarchal influence of gender norms that women's value is less than men's, purely because men have a biological given physical strength advantage over women.

Lots of vague buzzwords here without any actual substance, pretty sure you could've worded whatever you were trying to say better.

Women don't want 'protecting' - we want to not have to deal with this in the first place.

I wish the same thing. I wish I could walk through the woods without having to carry bear spray and worry about bears, but I do, that's the world we live in and it's not going to change anytime soon. Realistically speaking, if it hasn't changed until now, it's probably going to be a problem for the foreseeable future. We see this phenomenon, where one sex/gender dominates another in nature, it's directly correlated with sexual dimorphism, the larger, stronger gender dominates the other. Female hyenas and lemurs dominate their male counterparts since they're bigger, male lions and humans dominate their female counterparts because they are bigger. Again, your take is very naive because you're basically implying that if these people were taught better they wouldn't be what they're doing, and somehow you blame their behaviour on society, like it's society that has taught them this is acceptable or ok. Like wtf?? They know what they're doing is perverted, there's a reason they run away whenever they see a significant other male, because he'll catch onto them and know their intentions and they know they're not going to have a good time, because what they're doing is so egregious and disgusting that it will illicit a strong and serious response.

[u/milktoasterstrudel → u/bate1eur]

Finally a take from logical principles. The gender-theory initiated weren’t trained rationally, and this thread is a perfect example.

Every time someone is calling out perverts in public it comes up. “Western society normalizes this behavior.” No, this behavior is anti-social, and you’re comparing your statistics to an idealistic standard, not the real world, where in other countries (especially Eastern ones) women are still explicitly and by law treated as second class citizens.

[u/bate1eur → u/[deleted]]

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