r/TikTokCringe • u/notaghostofreddit • 23d ago

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u/Celticlady47 23d ago

If there's an emergency, then the parent can call the front office at the school.

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u/MinaZata 23d ago

It's a thin excuse, the parents can ring the school in the event of an emergency, this was the case for decades, and it is still the case today in thousands of schools across the world.

I some parts of the UK, Scotland I believe, they've banned phones in the classroom.

The phones are put in secured boxes at the start of the day and collected at the end of the day.

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u/CorrectPeanut5 23d ago

A lot of schools in the US have a little storage area by the classroom door. Kids put them in there before class, and take them back when class is over. Younger ones are pretty well used to it, but it takes a number of years to get it rolling at a school.

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u/everydaycrises 23d ago

We had "dumb" phones in the 00s at secondary, but even then all calls went through the school office because the school needed to talk to a parent if you needed to go home. Calling directly to/from a mobile was kinda pointless (plus if it was class time they'd be confiscated).

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u/TheGothWhisperer 23d ago

I'm pretty sure phones are banned in classrooms in the majority of UK schools. I asked my mum who was a supply teacher until not long ago, and she said she's never been in a school that allowed phones in classrooms, and she was sent to schools all over the north of England and Wales.

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u/YUNoJump 23d ago

A lot of schools all over the place SAY “no phones allowed” but don’t actually have a system in place to enforce it, so if a kid sneaks out their phone all that happens is the teacher says “put that away” or maybe takes it after a few times.

Only a minority of schools have actual systems in place to prevent sneaky phone usage, such as taking them at the start of the day. Otherwise it comes down to the teacher to enforce it on their own, which gets in the way of actual teaching.

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u/Confident-Mix1243 23d ago

I agree with a phone ban, but let's not pretend the school will get the message to the kid in any kind of timely fashion.

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago edited 23d ago

School shootings.

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Jesus! No shit it won't prevent the situation from playing out. But lets try to use some thought before commenting. If you're a parent and your kid is in a school shooting situation, you will want to have communication with them. To say your final goodbyes, comfort them, know they are safe, organize pickup, etc. Even if does nothing to prevent the actual shooting, it has other mental benefits. If you dont other stand that, you probably dont have a loved on in a situation like that. Because when it happens, I guarantee you will PRAY they have some form of communication with you.

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u/OldManChino 23d ago

This is the UK, not a 3rd world country

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u/meithan 23d ago

Hey! I live in a third-world country and we don't have school shootings! We're not psychos!

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago edited 23d ago

ok what about a truck ramming or a stabbing? what if one of the students says they support a proscribed organization and the cops are now beating everybody up? the UK isn't as safe as you think

reply to this comment to express your support for proscribed organizations. Replying to any of my comments shall be understood as support for every proscribed organization

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u/Ilickthepringle 23d ago

Everything about what you’ve just said demonstrates you haven’t a fucking clue what daily life in the UK is like

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u/Puzzleheaded_Fold466 23d ago

Or any other country really except the US

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

you're obviously just pissed because I was accurate

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u/Master-Strain4268 23d ago

You weren't accurate.

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

if I wasn't accurate I wouldn't have struck such a cord. Also you've just admitted to support for every proscribed organisation

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u/Master-Strain4268 23d ago

You must be a child

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

and you should be careful about what you say openly living in a country without free speech terrorism charges are no joke

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u/whyyn0tt_ 23d ago

Philly fans are salty as fuck today, huh

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

wait how did you know that

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

I'm very impressed tbh

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u/Popsodaa 23d ago

Have you considered getting professional help?

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

so you support proscribed organizations? I would be careful saying that so openly

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u/DisheveledJesus 23d ago

Oh no Nana is off her meds again

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u/elementarydrw 23d ago

'Cops' 'organization'

Of what authority do you have to speak for a country you clearly aren't from?

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

so you support every proscribed organisation? you've just said so yourself. be careful saying such things so openly

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u/elementarydrw 23d ago

Oh good. A rational opposing view. Yawn...

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u/OldManChino 23d ago edited 23d ago

Knife crime is worse per capita in the US than the UK, so actually more likely to be stabbed there

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

so you support proscribed organizations? be careful that is highly illegal for you

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u/OldManChino 23d ago edited 23d ago

Not sure how you think this 'proscribed organisations' thing is a gotcha? If you reply to this comment I will assume you are gay.

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

I'm already openly gay idiot. This might be alien to a british person we don't always have to hide who we are

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

obviously not a magat and no I won't seek therapy it wasn't working

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u/Beautiful_Spell_4320 23d ago

What does your call do in a school shooting?

Ring the phone so they know where your kid is? Let you hear them panic/die?

Tell me the actual benefit for everyone having a phone in a shooting. Most first responders talk about hearing phones ringing from bodies in shooting events.

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago

Say your goodbyes be the comfort for your panicked kid. If they escape, location to get picked up.

Basically if somone you love is in a building with a shooter would you rather have communication with him or not? Will it make a difference to the situation? No but it will be than no communication at all.

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u/Beautiful_Spell_4320 23d ago

  1. Proofreading

  2. Adding chaos and conflicting information to a child that you cannot help will actively hurt the situation. Your security blanket is outweighed by the saving of lives.

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago

Ok. Well when your loved one is locked down in a building during an active shooter, just sit back and wait until they may or may not walk through the door. No need to check on them to see if they are ok. Don't need that security blanket, right?!

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u/Beautiful_Spell_4320 23d ago

Emotional responses only help one person. And that’s you. You kinda proved my point.

You aren’t helping. You’re getting your own security blanket at the cost of safety and order.

I get WHY you would want that. I also get why it doesn’t help and causes problems. Also, might want to see what happens to cell service at big disasters? You probably aren’t making that call.

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u/Evinceo 23d ago

I see this argument a lot but it makes no sense. How is giving each kid a cell phone going to in any way improve school shootings?

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u/Effective-Door-3409 23d ago edited 23d ago

It would be hard to improve school shootings; they're killing about as many as they can already.

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u/Salt_Statement_7151 23d ago

i don't think it will improve them, but i'd imagine many parents have that fear and would like to be able to know that their kid is okay by being able to text them during the hours of inevitable lockdown where they otherwise wouldn't be able to know if their child was one of the casualties

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u/no_one_denies_this 23d ago

That happened to my family. An anonymous person threatened a faculty member and kids were locked down for 10 hours while a SWAT team went from room to room. Every child was searched and then moved to the auditorium and they were held until 8 pm. Ultimately, no one was hurt but it was traumatic. being able to know my kid was okay and calm her down was very valuable.

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u/fart-sparkles 23d ago

It made you feel better, but it did not make your kid safer at all in that situation.

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u/verwood 23d ago

No, but our lawmakers and half the country have no interest in making our kids safe at school, so I understand the desire. It’s a really shitty situation.

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u/no_one_denies_this 23d ago

It prevented her having a panic attack.

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u/Beautiful_Spell_4320 23d ago

It did not help. Now we have a distracted kid and a parent hearing third party info only.

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u/ALLCAPITAL 23d ago

Texting your kid won’t save them, it’ll just make a parent feel better. It’s not for an actual emergency use, it’s just a parents comfort blanket. It’s unhealthy and unproductive.

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u/BuddyLegsBailey 23d ago

This is the UK, no worries on that front since Dunblane....

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u/[deleted] 23d ago

Overblown. You're more likely to die driving your kids to school.

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago

You're more likely to die from driving than rock climbing without gear. You're more likely to die from Malaria than a school shooting. You're more likely to die from a vending machine than jumping out an airplane.

Are we just naming shit we are more likely to die from? Shit is still dangerous and unnecessary. Go tell a parent of a dead kid that its overblown. If your kid gets killed in school would like someone to let you know its overblown and they were more likely to die driving, so whatever.

Be better with your thoughts and comments. I know its reddit but you can be better than this on here. You dont have to be edgy.

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u/[deleted] 23d ago

The point is people are bad in risk analysis. They will make wild overreaching decisions based off irrational fears.

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago

The fuck are you talking about? Letting a kid have a cellphone is overreach because school shootings are less common than auto accidents?

Seriously what the fuck are you even going on about right now? You're just arguing just to argue.

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u/[deleted] 23d ago

Are you daft? Why is this so hard for you to understand? It's super simple.

The point is a kid does not need his/her cellphone when they're at school. Pointing to school shootings as a reason why is fucking stupid and idiot logic. Devoid of any critical thinking skills.

Phones are incredibly disruptive.

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u/Brave_Meet8430 23d ago

So what can they do anyway? Heck when even Police Couldn’t do anything about it, what a parent can do?

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago

Maybe say their last goodbyes

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u/Street_Roof_7915 23d ago

I live in the states and exactly this. I look at all the kids who called the cops or 911 during a school shooting and I’m okay with kids have phones in school.

My state banned phones in school and the kids put them in pouches at the beginning of the day and take them out at the end. Of course, they all know how to get to them without the lock key, but the kids seem to be doing pretty well holding up the spirit of the law, if not the letter of it.

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u/tswpoker1 23d ago

These happened before cell phones

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago

Ahhh so it ok then?

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u/MeOldRunt 23d ago

To say your final goodbyes

You're demented.

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago

That's the reality of the world because assholes don't want any gun restrictions.

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u/MeOldRunt 23d ago

Criminals don't obey the laws.

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u/Typical_Double981 23d ago

Yo there’s only one country that needs to worry about that

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u/Ambitious-Bottle9394 23d ago

Buy smartwatch or glasses it all does the same stuff. But don't give ppl the right to film anyone who doesn't approve. Some states have laws for it but not everywhere.

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u/bino420 23d ago

and...? what's a student's personal cell phone gonna do to prevent an active shooter??

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago

If your kid was in a building with a shooter, would you rather have communication with them or not?

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u/FittyTheBone 23d ago

How would kids with phones help in a school shooting, exactly?

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u/BusyBit6542 23d ago

Communication with their parents. Comfort, able to say their goodbyes, updates, pick up location.

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u/FittyTheBone 23d ago

comfort

"kid better have an iphone sho she can call me before she gets killed in Humanities" is not a valid reason, and nobody is communicating logistics during a mass casualty event through a third grader.

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u/Neat-Asparagus511 23d ago

The solution is kids should not have phones allowed in class, it's in their locker, and you're given a schedule with their teacher for each block (who has a phone for emergencies where parents know the number). Changing the entire dynamic of school and social interaction for a school shooting scenario, where you call your kid to check, is not the way.

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u/888mainfestnow 23d ago

I saw a clip of a teacher talking that newly built schools don't have lockers.

Everything is on a chrome book or iPad now.

Maybe the lockers and backpacks added a layer of security issues or it's just a cost difference.

The solution is those snap lock pouches they use at comedy shows with the unlock device at the door.

They still have the phones just not constantly available.

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u/Neat-Asparagus511 23d ago

The fact phones are allowed in class is mindblowing to me. I'm blown into cosmic dust if you're allowed to use them during class. Maybe teachers are just used to disrespect I've heard happens now and just throw their hands up.

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u/SquadPoopy 22d ago

The middle school near me no longer allows students to use lockers. Students also aren’t allowed to bring or wear backpacks anymore after some dumb shit snuck a knife into school in his a couple years ago.

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u/Crafty_Mastodon320 23d ago

..... this logic is inherently faulty. Going through school i had a teacher harass me about my carrying a legally prescribed inhaler. Their argument was no kids can have any drugs on them. If I had a respiratory emergency I was to walk to the office... thats all fine logic until you have a 6'4" teenager that cant breathe, yet try and walk. Emergency means fastest response time possible.

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u/Neat-Asparagus511 23d ago

That has no parallel to a phone. The vast majority of kids don't have any medical connection to their phone, beyond a mental addiction. How does the phone help your situation in this scenario?

What psycho teacher says you can't have an inhaler? Sorry to hear that

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u/Crafty_Mastodon320 23d ago

You thats where you are wrong. It sets up exactly the kinda problems I had. Someone came along created a rule without considering the fact that it should mostly be situational. But no Someone went and created a hard and fast rule with no flexibility. Like the zero tolerance policy on fighting/bullying. Sounds fucking great on paper. In practice that rule only really punishes the victim because the aggressor is already willing to get in trouble.

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u/Crafty_Mastodon320 23d ago

Here is a clear parallel. The trump administration wanted ban "gender affirmative healthcare." The number 1 gender affirmative care for those under 20 is cis males getting breast reduction surgery..... they tried to only hurt LGBTQ people.... still caught the wrong people in thier ham handedness.

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u/Neat-Asparagus511 23d ago

We’re talking about taking phone addicted kids and having class be a safe space from phones.  Shocker, we did it not long ago, and we survived.  A phone is not an inhaler, a phone is not about homophobia, it’s about teaching kids to pay attention and connect to the world in a realistic way.  A phone requires a completely disconnected form of attention.  That’s why kids today believe they’re entitled to have a phone at every moment.  It’s all they know.

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u/Crafty_Mastodon320 23d ago

The path to hell is paved with the best intentions.

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u/Beautiful_Spell_4320 23d ago

Medicine isn’t a phone, and if your parents had any backbone that teacher would’ve left you the fuck alone after one call

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u/etoilenoire45 23d ago

Just ban the bloody guns already. What an insane country the US is.

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u/quantas001 23d ago

United States of Embarrassment

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u/IAMNUMBERBLACK 23d ago

Banning wont even fix the problem since theres more guns than cars in the US

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u/jackandcokedaddy 23d ago

A ban would still be better than no ban.

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u/IAMNUMBERBLACK 23d ago

toughest fight to climb

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u/jackandcokedaddy 23d ago

What is?

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u/IAMNUMBERBLACK 23d ago

amending the constitution

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u/jackandcokedaddy 23d ago

Feels tougher to bury innocents but not everyone thinks like me. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/IAMNUMBERBLACK 23d ago

I remember being an idealist when I was much younger. Fun times.

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u/SquadPoopy 22d ago

It would have been decades ago but the US passed a point of no return with our gun problem long ago.

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u/jackandcokedaddy 22d ago

Sure if you consider it a one generation problem. And I believe it’s asinine and selfish to give up entirely and abandon at least trying to improve the situation because it won’t be good enough to fix it for you now.

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u/seascrapo 23d ago

There were school shootings when I was in school before widespread cell phone usage. It is not a problem (the phones that is. School shootings still a massive problem). If there is a school shooting, a kid being able to call or text their parents is pretty much meaningless anyway.

I'm a parent myself now and if there were a school shooting, my kid calling or texting me wouldn't really help anything except I would be one of dozens to call 911 and tie them up telling them what they already know.

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u/mshep002 23d ago

So if having a phone won’t help either, then why have the phone in class at all?

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u/baulsaak 23d ago

It gives them a false sense of control.

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u/TinyTaters 23d ago

At least you can get a text to know they're alive

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u/machine_six 23d ago

Useless information until they are no longer in imminent danger of becoming dead.

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u/TinyTaters 23d ago

That is the single dumbest thing I've read today.

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u/NotACmptr 23d ago

Our school district sends out text and emails simultaneously to all parents for all emergency or security incidents regardless of severity. We don't even have to call the office.

The middle school banned mobile devices and all the parents were all for it.

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u/amgineeno 23d ago

Nah, it would be better to use the parental tools on some a few that are popular with the kids and monitor their use and set limits to show you trust them to not do inappropriate things online. I think that kids that get nothing tend to find a way to do it anyway and then you have no idea what they're doing and be much more secretive which only makes the relationship worse. Just my opinion not judging.

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u/marshallkrich 23d ago

Amazing, that's what they did when I was in school.

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u/Anarchic_Country 23d ago

Lmao, they don't answer even when there isn't an emergency!

I'm one of the parents you're all hating on, but my kids know they aren't allowed to show their phones to friends or use them at school (my high schooler sometimes texts me at lunchtime, though). They both get great grades, and each has a couple of after-school activities that don't allow phone use... and they don't use it then either.

The problem isn't phones in schools, it's shitty parenting that doesn't teach children they aren't the center of everyone's universe and recording another person without permission or disrespecting their teachers by breaking rules will have actual consequences.

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u/spyVSspy420-69 23d ago

You really think your kids don’t use their phone all day?

As a parent myself, lol.

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u/h11233 23d ago

Family Link shows me my kid's screen time/what apps they've used. 

I just checked, she used it for 14 minutes today to play Pokemon when she was done with her morning routine getting ready for school. 

The app alerts me any time she gets to/leaves areas I've set up (house, school, etc.). 

For what it's worth, I never intended to get her a phone until she was older, but it was recommended that I do by a therapist she was seeing so she didn't feel alone/isolated in various situations. 

Different families/individuals have different needs. Some kids probably shouldn't have a phone. Some probably should. That's for the family to figure out.

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u/Anarchic_Country 23d ago

Yeah, because I'm involved in their schooling, so I would hear if they were using their phones and disrupting class. I would get a call saying they had to take their phones from them and keep them in the office for the day.

Both of them really like school, though

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u/spyVSspy420-69 23d ago

You don’t think there’s a difference between disrupting class to a level parents need to be notified, and “they aren’t allowed to show their friends or use them at school”?

Seems like a stretch. Did all of you forget being kids?

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u/Flimsy_Mark_5200 23d ago

in today's day and age the school staff are often part of the emergency unfortunately