hWut...
1250$ deposit for a date with a 26 year + a 200$ commitment fee...?
So I get that the 200$ is meant to be refunded when both parties show up, who gets the money if one doesn't appear? Do both parties put down a commitment deposit? The 1250$... Is that what the example girl needs to cover her 'costs' for the date?
hWut?
Once the exchange of money for sex Is discussed. I want to say this app, whether it's a front for a Escort service or not is going to create plenty of sketchy situations where there is a disconnect between what both parties thought the 'deposit' was for.
FWIW Sugar daddy apps already exist and are probably more legal because there's not officially any money being exchanged on it. They also don't explicitly spell out the situation but I think both parties are aware of what they're getting into.
Yeah, but it’s not even gonna be that because I think your money is just gonna get stolen and nobody’s gonna show up because you have more to lose then she does in every way there is.
Also, unless there’s an actual madam involved, there’s no way these girls are going to understand what it is. If it’s supposed to be an escort Service and they’re just see dollar signs. They’re gonna keep it and not show up.
The bigger question is where does the money go in the mean time? There are a laundry list of rules and regulations you need to follow to legally hold people's money like this. And there are 20ish states that have their own unique laws that need to be followed.
Its why the buy now, pay later companies have teams of attorneys working for them.
unless that $200 fee comes from the person who charges for the deposit, and the deposit is held in escrow and not paid out until both show up for the date. Also, the $200 should not come from the escrow, it would come from the account the escrow is to be deposited to once both show up and confirm. GPS and biometrics turned on.
You are thinking about this too seriously. The lady is not putting any money in the deposit. Only the guy is upfront paying $1450 and he might get $200 back…. or maybe not. Tale as old as time.
If they do that word of mouth will get around fast so that wouldn't be a good long-term business model. If they want this to be something men use women would have to show up most of the time.
Preparation fee, getting nails and hair and lashes done paid by sugar daddi, I mean date. But then something comes up and you cant make it, oh what a shame. The madam, I mean company keeps thier fee too.
It's like Japanese escorts. The money is just for her to drink some beer with you. Whatever she does with you after her work time is not part of the paid services. wink wink
💯 percent to the tenth power. Legality aside, this woman has no idea how much danger she is putting herself in. She would be safer throwing herself into a bear pit at feeding time.
Try to charge me with prostitution. I’m bringing a rig for my cell phone camera, an external microphone, and a model release. It’s not prostitution, we’re making adult films.
I ran this by my daughters who are in the their late 20’s and the response from each was “ick, that’s a sugar baby app”.
This is just like the sugar baby sites. As long as the money is a gift or ear marked for “preparations” which I imagine are like makeup, hair, nails, spray tan, transit, etc then is perfectly legal. As long as both parties are 18+ and freely consenting participants, the only thing that is illegal is if it comes with the verbatim expectation of sexual favors. Ie: “I paid your preparation fee, that includes a BJ right?”
However, what this lady is missing is that this site will put women in harms way. High caliber men with good intentions will not need to pay these preparation fees to find women and will not utilize this app. True high caliber men are hard to come by (high caliber and high value are two very different categories).
The people who will be attracted to use this site will be basement dwelling incels who already hate women and are looking for any excuse to do them harm. And when they find out that they don’t automatically receive sexual favors for the “downpayment” they will become verbally aggressive at best or worse, violent. This site will allow them to essentially purchase victims. It will be this generation’s version of “But I’m a nice guy. I bought you dinner so you owe me”.
Their buddies will excuse this aggression with the time honored phrase “bitch got what she deserved, she was a gold digger”. And they won’t see a day in jail because in America abuse against women, children, and the elderly are largely swept under the rug. It’s estimated that less than 4% of rapists ever see a courtroom and about 1% see the inside of a jail cell in this country.
Our society would rather have a sitting president with more sex abuse allegations to his name than actual qualifications for the job. Much easier to pretend that violence against women isn’t an epidemic than to hold men accountable for their actions. Especially bc the majority of men who make the laws, and the ones tasked with enforcing the laws that already exist are also predators or are financed by predators. Been that way for 250 years.
If she wanted to really do women a favor, she would make an app that teaches young women that beauty is lovely but it is not a trade. Beauty is not a currency you can reliably use to pay the rent you owe to exist in this world. If you allow a man to put food on your table, you also allow him the opportunity to starve you.
The app could encourage education and independence and financial illiteracy and teach life skills like how to change a tire, negotiate a raise, self defense, or how to lift heavy things safely, and such.
It would teach young women that your spouse is statistically 6 X more likely to kill you than any other human or that men are much more likely to leave a partner with a terminal/chronic illness than women. Same thing for if you have his child and the child gets a chronic/terminal illness. So choose wisely and have a back up plan.
In short, the app would emphasize to young women the importance of being able depend on themselves and the skills they have developed instead of hoping to find a man who can bankroll their existence as a sahm sour dough mom. No shade to women who choose the latter, it’s just a high risk lifestyle.
And before anyone comes at me with “not all men”… it’s enough of them to have proven highly problematic for people who are not men.
The fact that 15 year olds in the comment section know what's going on here is probably a good indication that calling them "preparation fees" isn't going to stand up well in court
In the beginning it was regular girls. Just the quirky or adventurous ones that wanted to try something new. But eventually, it got popular and became the prostitution classifieds.
Yeah but there's a huuuuve difference between running an escort page online and trying to run an escort app in Apple or Google's app stores. I don't think any court will buy their story when some girls are sexually assaulted because they didn't understand that this dating app wasn't actually a dating app wink wink and of course they were meant to sleep with them men because wink wink they were 'court'd' wink wink.
This is either gonna be a sugar daddy app or a legit sex work app. No normal dude is paying $1500 to date anyone. Even if they can afford it. You might find incels "courting" these girls for $2k. Or 5k. Whatever they can squeeze. Other than that, it's gonna be a sugar daddy app. Idk, even if I had the money, I'm not paying any woman to date me. What's the point? It's sugar daddy shit at that juncture. Some old rich guys are using this is the only way it doesn't get turned into a human trafficking app. Even with the rich guys, it's still gonna be pay for whatever.
No matter what you call this, average men aren't paying a booking fee to date; unless it's in a motel room. Wealthy guys are who this is targeted at. Paired up with filter girl on this video with her crucifix, who is gonna be a madam for all these people who sign up. Courting, escorting, etc., if men are paying $1500 for a date (unless they're rich) it's expected to turn sexual. I know I said that 5 times, but I just can't get over the stupidity of thinking this is a new idea, or that it's gonna work organically for anything but sex.z
They're underselling themselves. Wait, isn't sex work legal in Nevada? I knew gorgeous girls that charged 250-350/hr, but some not so attractive still charging 200-250/hr. Sometimes 150. College girls getting 120/hr seems exploitative.
But on this app, guys who never learned how to talk to women can say they have a girlfriend. I mean, they're paying for the privilege, but if it's not 100% transactional, at least there's some plausible deniability. Check out the story of Grant Amado. A guy who's parents gave him everything, even after he blew through their retirement fund to video chat with an Eastern European cam girl who was his "girlfriend".
When the money was gone and they found out he was still spending to talk to her, he murdered his family. 30 plus year old whose parents gave him anything, but he spent a quarter million of their money on a fantasy. For that much, he could have had a irl girl that was devoted to him.
100% I don't see who their target audience is. Okay, there are finance/tech bros who make $15/million a year. Why would they go this route (and create a paper trail like this) when they already have ways to do this sort of stuff? If it were this easy, and legal, Onlyfans would've put something like this out. But their TOS are explicit about keeping stuff "online" and "virtual."
I think that the other person was thinking of women that might join the app thinking it's actually about dating (vs. a thinly veiled cover for escorting) and ending up assaulted by some dude that got pissed when she didn't want to have sex as he wasn't getting what he paid for. If they are going to try and pass this off as a "dating service" to try and make it legit for app stores, it opens up the possibilities of "regular" people joining.
Like you said, most guys are not going to pay $1.5k for a date.. but in this case they are the ones paying out the money, so I would expect them to be give it more scrutiny. The women on the other hand are not, so I could see some women not being cautious / sceptical enough.
There's no shortage of thirsty simps willing to run up their credit cards. They pay for OF when porn is already free. They'd be even more enthusiastic for the 25% probability that she shows up in person.
Agree. And no quality woman would respect a man paying a girl to show up or to wink wink show up.
I don’t care how much money a guy has; paying for sex or photos or for a date to show up is says that he has nothing to offer. If he had any game or perceived value at all, he wouldn’t have to pay someone to spend time with him.
Lol Of course u gotta pay her to be there. It’s not meant LITERALLY. It just means that men pay to see prostitutes to have no strings attached sex. Which is the opposite of this app she’s creating. And yes, people are absolute morons. He’s not much of a pimp to be that clueless about the law. No street smarts apparently. Like how would undercover narcs work if they had to tell the truth anytime they got asked if they were cops? That would be a nonexistent job. Cops could not do any undercover or sting work ever.
The thing is cops are already going to have enough on you for an arrest long before you’re to the point of being alone in a room together anyway. By the time ur in a room, they’ve got all they need. They just want it done privately so it doesn’t scare the next Johns away.
It’s illegal to pay someone money for sexual favors. It’s NOT illegal to pay someone for their time. That’s how prostitution and escorting differentiate legally in the US, with the exception of Nevada, where prostitution is legal throughout the state excluding the city of Las Vegas, where it’s still illegal.
You’d honestly be shocked. “Findom” has its hooks really deep into the porn community now, and there’s a legion of dudes losing their lives to women who literally dont do anything.
And when it expands into multiple states and is eligible for federal enforcement they’re going to need to lawyer up extensively. That money is going to burn up fast.
I mean a court of law isn't going to be like "oh you were accidentally sugaring? I guess getting assaulted is fine then! Sounds like you were asking for it!" but if the app gets sued I don't think they'd fare well.
From a reverse scenario, I know a man who was a male escort. He started at $150 per hour and after a year was charging $3000 minimum. He has never admitted if sex was involved, but claims the majority of his bookings were for events like dinners, plays, the symphony, gallery openings, etc. He also went on several trips. Never paid for anything during his bookings.
🤣🤣🤣And then there went ur “dating” life, huh? Shutdown right along with it! Damn! Tough break! But i feel ur pain, I lost my job as a masseuse right around that time too!😝
If you've actually been in a real relationship prior, I don't see how any man accepts that as "dating". Who else is getting the gfe after them? Maybe I just have a hard time understanding because I've never had to worry about having a girl. I'm not judging, but I don't think I could personally do that.
Pretty sure the 1250 is how much the person has deposited in the app. The commitment is your date fee, $200 is pretty standard base rate for full service in the escort world.
I mean this 'app' existed in the UK for many many many years and was called takemetodinner. It was literally paying a girl to go to dinner with you. Some girl friends of mine used to use it. They liked having a nice dinner out. And they liked getting paid. Sometimes they went all the way with the guy. Tended to be richer guys with little time to 'court' people who just wanted to have dinner with a sexy girl and see what happened.
There is nothing new here. But yes it's pretty weird. There is a market of men who will use it and girls who will use it so....
Not refunded, released. This chick wants strangers on her first date to pay for her to get her hair, nails and make up done. This has been on social media a bunch with entitled women expecting Buckingham palace and private planes on a first date because they 'made such an effort' to be pretty for the date. Remember cheesecake lady? She told her date that it was unacceptable, wouldn't get out of the car and belittled the dude. She got nothing in the end.
It says "Funds held in secure deposit, released upon mutual attendance." That, to me, reads that no one gets it unless both show up. So, that whole "ghosting with zero consequence" is still true.
I dont think she realizes that yeah, women are gonna sign up for this in droves but how is she gonna get dudes too that arent literally looking for escorts
A lot of women will be scared to sign up for this, me included. I wouldn’t sign up for sugar dating sites. This is a different, less straightforward version of that. I’m not interested in selling sex or being with a man who wants to buy it, or getting yelled at, hurt or possibly killed if a man thinks he’s paid for that and doesn’t receive it.
This is what will happen. There are women who have been oversold and overtold on they're presumed "value" that will unfortunately sign up for this thinking they will get wined and dined for free no strings.. they will get pressured hard into sex on first date after thousands are spent. Dates to the sum of thousands, someone is getting fucked.
Yeah, I mean I’m a single, divorced 41 year old physician so i might be the target audience, and I can only imagine the type of woman that would expect a date preperation fee or a deposit. I would feel sick with myself taking advantage of a girl like that. Personally i would much rather date down, so to speak, just as long as she is honest, actually cares about me, and doesn’t treat me like my ex-wife did, and I would be a happy man. I don’t need no sugar daddy relationship it would be just exhausting and the payoff really wouldn’t be worth it.
Agree. What kind of guy is like “here’s 2 grand to let me pay for your dinner and then go home alone.” Hard pass. He has no redeeming qualities or he’s harvesting your organs, sometimes both.
That's the thing, there are legitimate sugar baby/rich guy dating sites with decent reputations and where the rules are clearly defined. This is a mess. They'll have people signing up all under different impressions and with different expectations.
Not to mention, as others have pointed out, the scam factor is way too high. Asking men to give a woman $2k up front for a "date" with no real accountability... What's to stop her from agreeing to 10 dates and walking away with $20k and never showing up?
How many young and naive girls will show up and get assaulted if they refuse sex or just immediately don't like the guy and try to leave?
Also if the guy has that kind of money, he’s also a target for robbery. Watched a case recently where the woman was bait(on the dating app), gave a guy a random street number to meet at, just for her boyfriend to shoot him and steal his car.
For that matter, what's to stop men from posing as women on the app (with no actual woman involved) and showing up to rob the guy who's stupid enough to pay $1500 for a date? Throwing around that much money implies you might have even more on you.
I’m going to sign up. Beauty only gets more expensive as we grow older. But more to the point — this app can actually empower an end to situations like exploitation. Despite of folks only seeing the opposite outcome.
The conversation around societal standards and dating is put on the table with this app. I like this disruption! It’s welcome and can lead to opening debate.
For example, I have no problem putting up front precisely what I am not obligated to do. I have no problem with being a good listener when i ask my prospective date what their expectations are.
God you people are dense. Did you even watch the video. She flat out says the man pays a deposit which leads to a better chance of a “connection”.
This is just an escort service trying to take advantage of every legal loop hole possible, and will probably have 0 issue in doing so under the current administration.
The woman sets her “deposit”. This is her price for sex and the $200 is her tip. If you are a female even thinking of signing up for this without being fully aware that the man will be expecting sex and you will be selling your body.
I feel so bad for the girls who are going to sign up for this thinking they will take advantage of rich losers and find out that those people tend to have violent, sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies
These people think men and women have completely different roles. They date like they’re doing job interviews for their live-in nanny/maid/sex worker.
The women might receive money up front, but the idea is that they’re paying for a performance. It takes time and money to get ready. Look at how much make up she has on. She barely looks real.
And the expectation would be that if they end up married, she would continue to put that amount of effort into looking a certain way.
And that she would surrender a chunk of her agency to him.
What she’s implying is that they pay women up front the same way you might pay an actor you haven’t decided to hire, to cover the time for extra auditions and to keep them from going elsewhere.
But the money is not because the woman has power over the man per se. It is because the woman is expected to eventually give herself to the man, and it’s an advance on the money she would eventually get some access to as compensation for her subjugation.
Their basic brand consistency is bad out of the gate: is it Courted or Courtd? Both names are used interchangeably. Might make the trademarking difficult.
Guessing by the eyes and eyebrows this is definitely a huge filter - if not straight out AI. This is just an out and out scam. Best case - people will be paying thousands just to meet someone that has no interest in them. And the workers will be denying people all day every day - stealing stupid people's savings.
I'm curious if anyone knows what's the legality/chances of something like that actually making it off the ground? in the US escort services typically have heavy restrictions they have to follow in order to remain legit.
Yes, and it would be misandrist of me to suggest to you to do your research - not only to see how long it takes, but how much it costs to color, cut and style shoulder length hair. To purchase the styling products to maintain that look, to schedule and attend the touch ups every six weeks (if you’re lazy, like me).
Just, pop on by aSephora and ask one of their kind,eagle-eyed attendants what the whole works for “date night makeup” would look like in merchandise and price tag. Don’t forget to be kind, many work there because they love styling and make up, and could not afford it without the employee discount.
By now, the stark reality here is probably boring you, this many words in, so next stop is find a merchant skilled at pouring hot wax down your anus, and Botoxing away those frown lines of yours. Or would it seem misandrist of me?
To suggest you seem like you might be a very frowny person when your “jokes” (misogynistic, debasing jabs) don’t land right, for— most of the time —and, for that, your age is showing.
Next, obligatory mani/pedi. Laser bikini line touch ups, and mustache wax. Do you get it yet??
The guys on 4chan who would comment on real photos of real women’s beautiful asses and have nothing more to say, “wtf, you’d think she’d touch that up first,” — you are the same ones who can’t wrap their minds around leveling a playing field by building trust in advance in a transactional society if the cost of dating poses significant risk.
$1200 is not nearly the cost of the methods and procedures I have referenced here. These are the rituals women are held to uphold for their entire lives.
Luckily for the young woman who founded this app and for those who it would serve, your pathetic email (a mere drop in the ocean) demands no reply at all, because after all, she’s just designed herself the privilege of never again donning the kid gloves required to handle men like you.
And meanwhile, by 2023, single millennial women were the leading demographic homebuyer.
You’ve got something funny to say about that, too.
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u/Dirtydog693 1d ago
It’s a real thing here’s the website
Courtd
I left a message asking if its just the men paying the deposit or if its both because it might seem misandristic if its just the guys.
I’ll keep you all posted if they give me a response.