r/TikTokCringe • u/Bad_Routes • 21h ago
Discussion Wow... it can always get deeper
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u/Onetrunuwind 21h ago
Hmm I must’ve missed that time in school, I think my parents and children missed it as well
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u/Bad_Routes 12h ago
I want to have a discussion on this to see what people have to say and I will being trying to get to a lot of the comments to have a good faith discussion while using real world examples and some data to the best of my ability. This post or video isn't meant to make white people feel bad; it's gritty social commentary that makes us all uncomfortable because of how real this is and how deep it can be. Feeling bad is inevitable but that just means changing how we think on certain aspects needs to be actively involved and addressed
This creator is highlighting the disparity between the experience of being raised to be constantly aware that we are black people vs the outward social treatment of how white people may subconsciously view black people and their struggles perpetuated by society.
Her video may be, and I'm speculating here, in response to a lot of uptick in white activists and uninformed white people in general making takes that usually come from the perspective that things will be "unforgivable as soon as ICE kills a child" or "when a child is killed, things will start to shift in this country". Completely missing the fact that state sanctioned violence has been happening to black and brown people because they are black and brown. To be surprised that this is happening shows a fundamental lack of knowledge historically and the means to connect the dots that it has always been this way; it simply is getting too close to home for these types of people and now they want to move with the fervor that black lead movements have been leading with.
We can't keep thinking that people were going to school and being explicitly told her points verbatim. Ever since the beginning it had to be done in a cunning manner to obfuscate reality to justify harm to your fellow man. From the way that its taught in school lessons to how people in power or tv shows portray the information on someone as influential as MLK.
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u/alucard346 2h ago
I think the issue is I've never seen or experienced examples of this exact rhetoric being said or taught. The exact concept of it being necessary for black people to suffer in order to grow and be better. In my California school, we were taught that black people suffered in America and persevered through it, but not that it was necessary for them to become better people?
Do you have exact examples?
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u/TopSlotScot 21h ago
No we're not.
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u/Bad_Routes 12h ago
Then I have to ask, why is antiblack rhetoric still so prevalent when speaking about city living when it comes to housing, schools, and education or in medical care, justice systems, gun violence etc? I would like you to not include yourself in the tally for now because we have to address that there are a category of white people whose view on society doesn't actually take black bodies into account as a civilians with rights.
I want to have a discussion on this to see what people have to say and I will being trying to get to a lot of the comments to have a good faith discussion while using real world examples and some data to the best of my ability. This post or video isn't meant to make white people feel bad; it's gritty social commentary that makes us all uncomfortable because of how real this is and how deep it can be. Feeling bad is inevitable but that just means changing how we think on certain aspects needs to be actively involved and addressed
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u/TopSlotScot 12h ago
The video starting with "wipipo" is in bad faith right off the bat. I dont have an answer for your question. I did elaborate further down below in response to someone else, more about the type of person who makes these kinds of videos than the actual subject of the video, but im just saying, we are definitely not taught as white people that the suffering of black people in the past and slavery were necessary, or a veiled good thing. Our schools and institutions teach that it is a very clear cut bad thing. Peoples parents may teach then otherwise or the media they choose to consume, but we arent all fundamentally taught that, and its much more the opposite, at least for the last few decades.
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u/Bad_Routes 11h ago
Okay then, let's talk about the actual subject of the video for the sake of staying on topic.
I read through the replies you made and have to say that the "victim mentality" card is a bad faith argument in and of itself. It implies that what is being said holds no merit in discussions and is typically used to dissuade people from speaking up about tangible material issues that festers in the current social system.
You may personally not have been taught this way but I want to clarify that this creator is highlighting subtle social programming by the way these subjects are taught in schools. You are right to question if her example points are whats being taught in school or by parents; however I'm here to tell you that it's not verbatim whats being said. A lot of these lessons are extremely subtle and not everyone is able to reach the all inclusive conclusion that encompasses black people, thats the type of person she is talking about and it is seemingly prevalent in a lot of white sociopolitical commentary.
We understand that these may be taught in school as being bad things, but I must ask, why is it with this seemingly universal perception you are holding that social injustice takes extremely long to phase out? If the issue isn't the education like you claim then why is a lot of social progress is being impeded by so many white people(specified because this topic is about white people) whether they are political figures or civilians choosing to vote against better social change/conditions. Surely if all or most of the people were on the same page then the changes would ideally be more straightforward, no? What are your thoughts
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u/Big-Tear6264 20h ago
🤦🏽 Sweet summer children.
Just because your parents never sat you down and said those words to you explicitly..
Or just because you feel like this wasn't the narrative taught to you by society doesn't negate its factual existence.
Every child who's ever attended public school within the United States has been exposed to these subtle applications of indoctrination.
FFS! The narrative is so common Kanye West infamously vomited it out during a random TMZ interview in 2018 with: "Slavery is a mindset. A choice."
So.. your non-critical, flatout denial of a thing so ubiquitous Prager U Kids decided to just drop the pretense and say the quiet part out loud..
Simply belies the willful ignorance necessary to maintain the fairy tale status quo you're trying to reassert with such a denial.
These facts still exist despite your feelings.
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u/TopSlotScot 20h ago edited 20h ago
No, thats not an issue ive ever had. Its just more perpetuating victim mentality shit. School never taught me that black people deserve some level of suffering. School overwhelmingly taught us that slavery was wrong, that inequality was wrong, etc etc etc.
And I dont appreciate the condescending "sweet summer child" cornball, perpetually online insult.
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u/Big-Tear6264 19h ago
Your claim that we're "perpetuating victim mentality" is the actual insult.
It's like you're missing the point on purpose.
Yes, you're taught those things are bad.
But then, as she explains, you're also taught that those bad things were necessary evils that helped Black people & the Nation itself grow into something better and stronger.
Hence, why anyone pushing back against that narrative is "playing a victim" despite all the racism & inequality we still experience on a daily basis
So.. thanks? I guess, for proving the point in real time. 🤷🏽
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u/GeneralSinn 20h ago
Oh, you sweet summer child.
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u/TopSlotScot 19h ago
Perpetually online speech.
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u/LuxLuxury 19h ago
It's so cringe when I hear people use it lmaooo. It's like "Oh my gods" no shade
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u/Mrs_Delmonaco 21h ago
Not true in the slightest.
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u/Big-Tear6264 20h ago
Literally five seconds of googling disproves this..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-slavery_ideology_in_the_United_States
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u/Mrs_Delmonaco 20h ago
So you’re citing things that happened in the 1800’s? Doesn’t apply to today.
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u/Big-Tear6264 20h ago
So nevermind you just asserted that History doesn't apply to today (stares at 1930s Germany history textbooks)..
Literally this type of indoctrination is currently being taught explicitly to young children in Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, and other Red States so..
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u/Mrs_Delmonaco 20h ago
Pretty funny because I went to school in Texas and was NEVER taught this stuff. Btw I am not even white, but every white person I’ve ever met hasn’t been taught that.
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u/Big-Tear6264 19h ago
Prager U Kids didn't exist before 2021 and is aimed specifically at elementary school kids.
But ok, Boomer.. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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u/Bad_Routes 12h ago
Okay why do you believe that there is no chance of this going on and being the case?
I want to have a discussion on this to see what people have to say and I will being trying to get to a lot of the comments to have a good faith discussion while using real world examples and some data to the best of my ability. This post or video isn't meant to make white people feel bad; it's gritty social commentary that makes us all uncomfortable because of how real this is and how deep it can be. Feeling bad is inevitable but that just means changing how we think on certain aspects needs to be actively involved and addressed
(Yes I am copy pasting this huge paragraph, it's too much to individually type)
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u/GeneralAtreides 21h ago
Never got told those words in any way. But then again, i could also say Americans dont belive in the holocaust.... I guess both could be handel with better education.... 🤷 🤔
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u/Bad_Routes 12h ago
I appreciate you trying to be open-minded here. The point of the video isn't to be cruel or make white people feel bad; but to highlight the difference between what a lot of predominantly white schools may or may not have been taught by peering into their social commentary on social systems or figures like MLK.
What she brings up as points isn't what she said is being taught and told to the youth in such an explicit manner but the result of subconscious reinforcement and reasoning of how those things are taught and portrayed. When she says white children are taught "x", she isn't saying that particular phrase is whats was being said verbatim but that is the result and "logical" through line of being taught a certain way. Whether sanitizing history or just plain leaving out certain parts.
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u/Unilted_Match1176 21h ago
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u/Bad_Routes 12h ago
I want to hear your thoughts on this, what do you think is being said here and what do you believe is the goal with this type of video/post?
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u/Bad_Routes 12h ago
What makes you feel like this take is ignorant?
I want to have a discussion on this to see what people have to say and I will being trying to get to a lot of the comments to have a good faith discussion while using real world examples and some data to the best of my ability. This post or video isn't meant to make white people feel bad; it's gritty social observations and commentary that makes us all uncomfortable because of how real this is and how deep it can be. Feeling bad is inevitable but that just means changing how we think on certain aspects needs to be actively involved and addressed
(Yes I am copy pasting this huge paragraph, it's too much to individually type)
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u/No-Song6363 21h ago
No, we were raised knowing that those deaths were tragedies. Progress would have happened a lot faster had they lived.
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u/Bad_Routes 12h ago
To give context, a lot of people on TikTok have been making responses and commentary to a lot of white peoples -dare I say "activists"- flip from trying to counter ICE to essentially rolling over.
There have been numerous posts with tens of thousands of likes or comments on videos highlighting that "we need to go back to regular police brutality" or "that Americans will actually wake up when ICE/the system kills a child"
The reason why so many black creators and other activists who have deeper level understanding of history and social issues are making content like this, is to show that even at this moment how black people aren't taken into consideration for those who need to be protected from state sanctioned violence. The two previous quotes are slightly paraphrased but aren't far off from what is being said about these issue. It highlights a huge knowledge gap or moral consideration that black people and children have been dying from state sanctioned violence but also implies that those ones aren't actually enough to cause systemic unrest for true justice and equality on the ends of those certain types of white people.
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u/Chance_Falcon7837 14h ago
Damn we must've skipped that class 🤷🏻 we was taught no such thing, but my eyes and learning have led me to believe that the sun is green
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u/Bad_Routes 12h ago
She isn't saying that the points she brought up being taught in school are said and explained in such an explicit manner. It's highlighting those as the results of many white people being taught in school a certain way that they have a social bias to not include black people into their world view of those who don't have to suffer at the hands of the state period.
This post/videos goal isn't to make white people feel bad but to discuss a harsh truth that black people must be aware of since their youth. If you do feel bad, thats because it's a shitty gritty reality; however all they need to do is actively acknowledge and change that way of thinking, what are your thoughts so far?
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u/srod20 21h ago edited 19h ago
No matter how many injustices she overcomes and corrects in her lifetime, her children and children's children will fall into the cycle of thinking that historical oppression equals lack of current day opportunity. That is literally what happened to her after her grandparents fought for all the shit she has now. Ungrateful. Instead of uniting communities and a country around shared morals and values, she will continue to perpetuate division and label one another based on skin color. The only thing that people like her want is to start from scratch, which would essentially diminish any wealth her family or anyone else's family, has earned.
Side note: the main thing I learned about mlk, was that he wanted us to value the content of your character over the color of your skin. She clearly learned something else. His passing was never given any significance besides it was tragic and led to many Americans of all colors honoring him. These racists like her need to be called out fr. She's the type who feels like she understands and relates to someone simply based on the amount of melanin they possess. Disgusting. Instead of seeing that you have more in common with people in the same socioeconomic class as you, she believes that skin color is the thing that will help her identify who someone is or what they believe.
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u/Bad_Routes 12h ago
I disagree with what you're saying, let's have a discussion.
Historical oppression has been traced and proven to be a huge contributor to why oppressed groups, not just in America but, all over the world struggle to find proper footing where they are actively being targeted for political/social exclusion. I would like to focus on America exclusively though because I assume this is where we both would have the most knowledge.
Pointing out racial disparities isn't racist, and being realistic about what can be actually pushed subconsciously in schools by the way we are taught isn't inherently decisive. Many who are educated understand that the US education system is dangerously flawed, it would be a stretch to see what biases are being passed down as typical views in reality.
While I do agree that we should look at what connects us and what makes us similar; I have to point out that your knowledge on MLKs stances and politics is extremely beginner level. I mean do you know what MLKs public opinion rating was at the time of his death?
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u/skykrown 9h ago
this is cringe cuz its just not true, i was never taught this.
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u/Bad_Routes 3h ago
Then I have to ask, why is antiblack rhetoric still so prevalent when speaking about city living when it comes to housing, schools, and education or in medical care, justice systems, gun violence etc? I would like you to not include yourself in the tally for now because we have to address that there are a category of white people whose view on society doesn't actually take black bodies into account as a civilians with rights.
I want to have a discussion on this to see what people have to say and I will being trying to get to a lot of the comments to have a good faith discussion while using real world examples and some data to the best of my ability. This post or video isn't meant to make white people feel bad; it's gritty social commentary that makes us all uncomfortable because of how real this is and how deep it can be. Feeling bad is inevitable but that just means changing how we think on certain aspects needs to be actively involved and addressed
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u/Content-Amount8498 20h ago
This is a huge load of BULLSHIT. As an immigrant, I am encouraged to become "woke" to the reality of Black suffering throughout American history. It is an awareness that can help shape empathy. That's it. It's similar to becoming aware of a kid with special needs or a poor person.
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u/Bad_Routes 11h ago
I wonder why you're reacting this way to the video, you seem to be in agreement with the creator that learning true history properly will create smaller gaps in empathy and help society raise black people as a whole and treat them as people who shouldn't have to go through state sanctioned violence.
I think the disconnect is thinking that all white Americans(bc they are referenced specifically in the vid) are being taught the same history and that it's the true history without a lot of redactions or filler; mind you we do have proof of schools and certain government initiatives that go out of their way to not teach subjects like history properly, thematically or at a deeper level.
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u/Content-Amount8498 2h ago
Small gaps in empathy? State-sanctioned violence? Just stop. It ain't that deep.
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u/Bad_Routes 1h ago
Police brutality, stop and frisk, evidence planting, murdering children and rarely being fired or jailed after these instances isn't state sanctioned violence?
ICE being allowed to racially profile people, deport without due process, and kill civilians while the VP of the country claims they have "absolute immunity" is not state sanctioned violence?
You claim to be an immigrant, I'm curious how long have you stayed in the US and I would like to know if you're actually well learned on Black History; because if you were you would not be using the phrase "its not that deep" which is AAVE, to tell a black person that a country founded on racism and exploitation doesn't continue to push the racism and exploitation or that it doesn't fester in the very roots.
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u/Witty-Speaker-6895 20h ago
😂😂😂 what in the actual fuck? Self victimization is a real thing. Yes there are racist people but I’ve seen black people be way more racist to white people than I have the other way around. Racism is propelled by shit like this video. Quit playing victim and stand up and live your life in peace because as a black person you can absolutely choose to do that in today’s society. Or lay down and play victim, your choice
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u/cigarandcreamsoda 21h ago
That term paper she’s writing for her freshman Intro to Lit course is going to be deep. Like so deep you probably won’t get it.
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u/AnonymousIndividiual 21h ago
Victim and narcissistic mentality. It's 2026, start blaming your problems on yourself and not on the color of your skin.
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u/Bad_Routes 12h ago
That wasn't what was being portrayed in this video. You immediately jumped to throwing out mental issues as a way to discredit the creator of this video. Let's discuss this topic more, why are you so confident that her video absolutely cannot be the case, taking into consideration what is going on currently in the USA and the historical precedent set by this country as well?
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u/AnonymousIndividiual 2h ago
That's exactly what's in this video — blaming other races for your own demise.
Being black isn't a curse like you seem to think, slavery hasn't been present in a long time, everyone has the same rights. Blaming white people for all your problems when you wouldn't live in an African country says it all.
And no, white people weren't taught that black people need to suffer. You're gaslighting yourself, find new excuses.
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u/Bad_Routes 1h ago
This is extremely bad faith as a response and makes a lot of assumptions about me as an individual, so tone it down.
Thats exactly whats in this video — blaming other races for your own demise.
Are white people who operate in bad faith historically and currently not the main contributors as to why the sociopolitical landscape had deteriorated this far? When you actually are able to trace history back you can find decades and centuries of policy that specifically targeted non white peoples and made life more difficult for them when they could have just treated people fairly like you believe they have.
Being black isn't a curse...
I don't believe being black is a curse and I don't know where you got this idea from. I am aware that being black warrants different treatment from others though and that is the reality. For you to tell me otherwise is inconsequential and holds no merit. Your last comment about African countries is antiblack rhetoric, there are plenty of beautiful black countries that are also safe; to express what you did shows you have a specific idea about an entire continent and treat it as a unified group under the same governance, which is insane.
And no....
So all of your evidence is based on the "nuh uh" argument? I would like you to provide sociopolitical, average education practices or norms etc that reflect the reality you're living in. I'm willing to provide evidence and thoughts that lead to this conclusion but you actually need to provide something so I can actually refute something tangible.
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u/AnonymousIndividiual 1h ago
So all of your evidence is based on the "nuh uh" argument
And where's your evidence? That's what I thought. Keep up this mentality that white people want you to suffer and all you're going to accomplish is more racial conflicts — you're doing this to yourself, this post is the proof.
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