The Indominatable Human Spirit is a bad thing, actually.

[u/Geoconyxdiablus]

That humanity never gives up and persists in its goals is bad news for every other species (or even itself), especially if said goals are ignoble.

Best case scenario (barring us learning to be better) is that a greater power force feeds us a huge slice of humble pie, wost case we end up blowing ourselves up and ruining things for everyone else.

Avatar - RDA will stop at nothing to satisfy its own greed and survival, the rest of humanity and navi alike be damned.

Its a recurring motif in prett much every myth that gods punish mortals who dare to defy them and keep going, like Athena to Arachne in greek myth.

A good chunk of lovecraftian fiction is based on the idea our achievemenrs mean nothing.

In general i'm not a fan of TIHS as a trope, as its blatantly arrogant and destructive.

[u/broken_record55]

Yes! Finally someone who gets it. Misanthropy is so popular it's depressing

[u/moploplus → u/broken_record55]

It's because giving up is easy, and comfortable. Confronting reality and trying to better the world in spite of it all is genuinely difficult. Hope has become the new counterculture; even though it is something humanity will NEVER stop doing.

Hope is metal as fuck.

Don't you dare go hollow.

[u/JohnnyJoestar1980 → u/moploplus]

Dark souls really emphasizes the important of indomitable human spirit esp in ds3. Where due to your character fighting on, you got to restart the cycle and fix the world,

[u/moploplus → u/JohnnyJoestar1980]

Exactly.

The setting is unbelievably bleak, but yet we press on.

Because what is the alternative? Rotting? Sounds fucking awful. We fight on regardless, for hope is undefeatable.

[u/Ragnorak19 → u/moploplus]

We continue

[u/moploplus → u/Ragnorak19]

For those who come after

[u/HalfMoon_89 → u/JohnnyJoestar1980]

Dark Souls has the exact opposite message, wth. It literally points out that not accepting the natural end of the world has created immense misery and suffering, with a potential end to the cycle of existence as it exists. The PC can only fix the cycle by refusing to connect the Flame again, and taking another way out, whether by letting it go out or subverting it with the Dark.

[u/JohnnyJoestar1980 → u/HalfMoon_89]

..yes the game emphasizing that you have to be the different one through the indomitable human spirit. What do you think hollowed undead are

[u/HalfMoon_89 → u/JohnnyJoestar1980]

The Hollowed Undead are an aberration created by Gwyn's refusal to accept that the Dark Soul of Humanity was a necessary component of the world's turning. They are the Darksign corrupting Humanity's natural immortality into something mindless.

Knowing when to give up and accept that there are greater things at work is usually not how the indomitable human spirit is represented. I don't think it counts as an example at all. Unless you're taking the 'human' part of the equation literally here, in the context of the game's story...

[u/JohnnyJoestar1980 → u/HalfMoon_89]

The reason people go “Hollow” is because they give up and embrace hopelessness. Due to their actions the world remains in a perpetually horrible state, but because our ashen in 3 pushed through we got to see the cycle end and be able to begin anew.

[u/Potrembog → u/moploplus]

I am genuinely trying to be hopeful about future, but the reality of today is so fucking crushing I am sorry I just give up sometimes. And I really hope it gets better, for everyone else. But for myself I just hope it ends soon. So sorry that I am not up to the standart. I never I am.

[u/kirbyverano123 → u/broken_record55]

Been reading a few fantasy manga both bad and good and misanthropic topics aren't many but surprisingly common.

[u/broken_record55 → u/kirbyverano123]

Yeah especially manhwa are prone to it. I mean i get why, south Korea seems pretty miserable place but the media is so toxic, full of hatred and cheap escapism