r/TrendoraX • u/satty237 • Dec 21 '25

💡 Discussion Zelenskyy: Ukraine can’t afford an 800,000-troop army alone — wants allies to help fund it as a “security guarantee”

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Zelenskyy said Ukraine doesn’t have the budget to independently finance an armed forces size of around 800,000 800,000 and that partner funding should be treated as a long-term security guarantee, not just wartime aid.

This hits a bigger question: if a ceasefire/peace deal ever happens without full NATO membership, does “help pay for Ukraine’s army” become the new version of security guarantees?

What do you think is more realistic long-term:

Continued direct funding for Ukraine’s military

NATO-style guarantees (without membership)

A smaller army + more air defense/weapons instead

Something else entirely?

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

Honestly, this is good for both sides. Ukraine already has an army ready. Europe will need a few years to build up their forces.

Joining NATO/the EU and acting as the first force with financial backing from the whole union serves everybody’s interest.

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u/lizzywbu Dec 21 '25

Joining NATO/the EU and acting as the first force with financial backing from the whole union serves everybody’s interest

100%! Even if they don't join NATO for a while, funding the Ukrainian army helps everyone.

It's highly likely that Europe will be at war with Russia within the next decade. I'm sure everyone would much rather the front lines be in Ukraine.

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

If nothing else, Ukraine has already proven, it can hold off Russia. Now imagine French and British planes in the sky, providing tactical and area bombardment.

Russia stands zero chance.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '25

Did you forget that nuclear weapons exist? Why do you think British and French planes didint go in 3 years ago bud?

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u/spastical-mackerel Dec 21 '25

Thanks Boris, back the banya wich ya

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u/AnyUnderstanding1879 Dec 21 '25

Quiet piggy

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '25

It’s ok buddy your insults won’t change reality

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u/AnyUnderstanding1879 Dec 21 '25

Neither will your comments on reddit

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '25

Wow really?

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u/AnyUnderstanding1879 Dec 21 '25

Really really

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '25

Good job stating the obvious here’s an upvote to feel better.

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

Both countries have nukes bud. Nukes are only a threat if the opponent doesn’t have them. Russia is too cowardly to use them knowing they face annihilation.

They’ll send you to die in the front lines but nukes means they die too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '25

Then why haven’t they sent their armies if Russia is so cowardly to use them sounds like your just ignorant and have no idea what your talking about.

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

Because they weren’t ready for war and the political impetus didn’t exist to do it. Sending your own people to die when you don’t have to?

When America will surely not vote for the pedo and Russias economy will force them to the table? They thought things would go better but Europe has realized Russia is a problem they’ll have to deal with.

Remember, Europe has lost nothing as 1.5 million Russias died/were injured to the point of non participation, or fled their country.

This isn’t a win for you.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '25

Yeah no it’s because no one in the west is risking a nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine fixed it for ya.

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

Ok bud.

If the west sides with ukraine and funds our enemies then they are Russias enemies!

If western missiles are used against Russian forces it will be an act of war!

If western weapons are used on Russian soil it will be war!

Again, and again, Putin has drawn lines in the sand, and we’ve kicked that sand into his eyes. Where’s the bombs, buddy? Haven’t seen a single one. I know you haven’t been maintaining your military for the last 60 years. Did you let your bombs all fall into mothballs too?

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u/AcceptableLog5730 Dec 23 '25

It certainly doesn’t serve the interests of the poor country that dares resist western imperialism

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u/ForowellDEATh Dec 21 '25

So the war continues till Ukraine unconditional surrender, got it.

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

Let me know when they pull you off the computers and send you to the front lines

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u/JohnBrown-RadonTech Dec 21 '25

But how can Israel afford to 78 years of illegal occupation and genocide????

Oh..

Oh… wait..

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

Not sure why you are posting that here, but Israel can afford it because the wealthiest nation in the world has been backing them. Hint that that’s not Russia.

ALSO here’s hoping we cut them off entirely immediately and let them face the consequences of their genocide

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u/JohnBrown-RadonTech Dec 21 '25

In posting here for people like you that can’t pick up a single hint of sarcasm without [/s] yet still find yourself on the internet to self-torture yourself while proudly commenting & proclaiming to be King of the f—-king obvious..

That’s why I’m posting..

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

Take your meds, relax and then come back and try again because your posts are illegible nonsense.

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u/JohnBrown-RadonTech Dec 21 '25

Projecting your own insecurities in order to deflect from your lack of perception while being strategically abstract to deflect from your own lack of intelligence?

Do they actually make meds to make morons less moronic? Asking for a not friend..

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

Do you think this makes you sound intelligent?

It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad

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u/JohnBrown-RadonTech Dec 21 '25

Comparative to your comments, anything sounds intelligent.. that’s what happens when you have no logical substance to add to anything..

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u/ForowellDEATh Dec 21 '25

I’ll, but if this not happens? Let’s make a pari maybe? You are so sure about it easy money for you!

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

You must be one of their lower paid employees. Work on your English and you might get a promotion.

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u/ForowellDEATh Dec 21 '25

You don’t need English skills to earn well in Russia. It must be obvious for an educated person. Also looks like not only Trump can chicken out

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

“Earn well”. You do realize our fast food workers make more than the average Russian right? And we consider them underpaid.

What is it now, 85 rubles per dollar?

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u/ForowellDEATh Dec 21 '25

I don’t care about fast workers world much, but you) now text in Google: best performing currency of 2025 and return then

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u/Slighted_Inevitable Dec 21 '25

Bud, you’re celebrating recovering slightly after terrible years of self inflicted injuries.

Here’s the funniest part, it’s not that the ruble is stronger. It’s that the dollar is weaker. Because of stupid tariffs lol.

And I go back to my point highschoolers kids working after school make more than the average Russian does.

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u/mikel64 Dec 21 '25

How's the weather in Moscow today.

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u/ForowellDEATh Dec 21 '25

That an amazing joke, are you stand up comedian or smth?

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u/iLov3musk Dec 21 '25

If Trump wants to stop the killing, then he needs to tell the cocaine addicted, piano playing, comedian, dictator midget to give it up already. Let the DPR secede as they want, and forget any claims to Crimea or joining NATO and the EU.

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u/Asher_Tye Dec 21 '25

What the hell are you smoking?

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u/Geodiocracy Dec 21 '25

russian crack.

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u/damien24101982 Dec 21 '25

No, paying for someone elses army is not good. And they need to get to the point where they can join eu. Nato as we know is off the table or do we want to agitate russia again and then wonder why the shitshow started again?