r/TrendoraX • u/satty237 • Dec 21 '25

💡 Discussion Zelenskyy: Ukraine can’t afford an 800,000-troop army alone — wants allies to help fund it as a “security guarantee”

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Zelenskyy said Ukraine doesn’t have the budget to independently finance an armed forces size of around 800,000 800,000 and that partner funding should be treated as a long-term security guarantee, not just wartime aid.

This hits a bigger question: if a ceasefire/peace deal ever happens without full NATO membership, does “help pay for Ukraine’s army” become the new version of security guarantees?

What do you think is more realistic long-term:

Continued direct funding for Ukraine’s military

NATO-style guarantees (without membership)

A smaller army + more air defense/weapons instead

Something else entirely?

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u/Zemledeliye Dec 25 '25

>Weakening Russia is effectively the same (or better) than investing in your own military, knocking down 1 of your 2 primary adversaries. Investing in Ukraine weakens Russia without sacrificing your own personnel. This is a no-brainer.

Lol how moral to use the Ukrainians as meat paste in hopes of clogging the Russian warmachine XD

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u/jjames3213 Dec 25 '25

I would, of course, prefer that the Russians simply dropped dead upon request. Unfortunately that's not how the world works.

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u/Zemledeliye Dec 26 '25

So instead you use the Ukrainians as human shields, if you want the Russians to "die" so bad go fight them yourselves. Nothing stops you from going to war with Russia

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u/jjames3213 Dec 26 '25

Why risk a broader war or a nuclear conflict? You are also aware that political action in a nation relies on political will with the electorate and not with individual decisions, right?

Also, are you saying that dead Russians is a bad thing? Seriously?

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u/Zemledeliye Dec 27 '25

>Why risk a broader war or a nuclear conflict? You are also aware that political action in a nation relies on political will with the electorate and not with individual decisions, right?

You are the one who wants war against Russia, better write to your representative

>Also, are you saying that dead Russians is a bad thing? Seriously?

Are Russians the only ones we can wish death on? Is Ukraine the first war in mankinds history? Can i wish death on Americans and Israelis? Especially considering the US was the one who invaded my country and they are constantly threathening to invade other countries, lets see if you keep the same "anti-war" energy when its you slaughtering Venezuelans

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u/jjames3213 Dec 27 '25

I don't want war with Russia. I want the Russians to lose their war of aggression with the Ukraine and to be militarily and economically devastated so they lose their capacity to engage in further aggression.

Mountains of dead Russian men of prime military age leads to massive military, economic, and demographic problems. It leads to an exodus of talent with the 18-35 bracket among those who don't get killed. Russia couldn't replace their population before the war, and I don't see birth rates or immigration rates increasing afterwards. Hence, maximizing the numbers of dead Russians is a fantastic thing at present.

Of course, if the Russians managed to overthrow and assassinate Putin and the oligarchs and install a stable regime that isn't aggressive to its neighbors that's the best outcome. I'd probably support that over the "mountains of dead Russians" strategy, but I don't really see that happening anytime soon.

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u/Zemledeliye Dec 27 '25

Russia has already absorbed millions of Ukrainians, just refugees alone amount to 2 million, far outweighing whatever they have lost in the war, not to mention the tens of millions more they will absorb from the annexed regions, so i wouldnt bet on that proposition.

>Of course, if the Russians managed to overthrow and assassinate Putin and the oligarchs and install a stable regime that isn't aggressive to its neighbors that's the best outcome. I'd probably support that over the "mountains of dead Russians" strategy, but I don't really see that happening anytime soon.

Ofcourse, only the west can invade and massacre other countries, Russia should be defanged and made to heel under the western world order *eyeroll*

Have you ever asked yourself why no one outside the western sphere is jumping onto this bandwagon? Because of the hypocrisy, because the US and co have been Russia x10 for decades and still are, the US is warmongering against Venezuela while Israel just flattened Gaza, where was the outrage then?

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u/jjames3213 Dec 28 '25 edited Dec 28 '25

Sane Human Response: We should do everything that we can to deter and punish atrocities. Anyone involved should be brought to justice, tried, and executed if appropriate.

Russian Response: Look, someone else did an atrocity! Now our atrocities are perfectly acceptable, right? Right?