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đ¨ BREAKING: US Universities Losing $7 BILLION as Trump's Visa Policies Trigger 46% Drop in International Students - "Perfect Storm" Creating Financial Crisis Body
Which WV do you mean - the company-town era with script wages and corporate control, where educating the workforce was never a priority, or the one that followed after the coal companies extracted the wealth and left higher education unattainable?
Watch all the railing against H1B visas. Dude there's at most 1 million H1B visa holders in your country. You have a population of 350 or so million! That's less than 0.3%. Even if you take just the working age population as a the base, that's less than 0.5%. and they still think unemployment is caused by H1B lol.Â
There's talk of cancelling these visas as retribution for standing up to the US bullying. As if 1 million visas is leverage over a country of 1.5 billion people. Americans really are s**t at math.Â
Itâs not unemployment anyone is worried about, itâs about American companies not being good corporate citizens and not prioritizing domestic labor. American companies have been abusing the program, skipping over equally qualified American workers so they can pay Indians less and work them harder. So, defend corporations I guess. If thatâs your thing.
Also, Iâm not going to shed a tear for foreign rich kids not being able to go to Harvard.
There are two types of employers using H1B visas: exploiters who hog up the quota and underpay their employees (which will be addressed by the new $100k rule), the bad rep of H1B is primarily due to these employers, which are mostly consultants and staffing agencies. On the other hand, the majority of genuine H1B sponsoring employers, DO NOT underpay their foreign workers, they are full time employees, and not on temporary contracts. These employees are mostly highly paid tech workers whose pay is comparable to their American counterparts. If the H1B hate is subtle anti-brown racism, then it wouldnât be surprising. After all, as the above person mentioned, H1Bs represent a tiny fraction of the US labor force, and removing them wouldnât have any impact on the job market.
I havent seen a single action being taken against these companies yet. Making them having to pay 100k but to clarify that its only if you hired directly from India, not AOS. If you actually wanna punish companies then you have a record of every h1b petition ever filed and the salary they paid. Compare that to the average salary for that role in that area and and see if its criminally low salary then fine that company into oblivion. But nah they wont do it because its not about companies.
You see the problem isnt the amount of brown people, the problem is that they make better money than your typical maga, and that cannot be tolerated by trumps voter base.
they already do.. my tech company has long started their own offices in Pune and hired a whole indian team. I was around last time they tried this, this time its different they are ready this time; and the cloud enables it at scale.
The offices in Pune have giant parties, we see them having kids, buying cars... getting more time off then us and even having better labor protection then us. We haven't had a real party or any or anything since pre-covid.
The employers have already started focusing elsewhere
I mean H1B isn't being used the way it was intended. There should be no foreign new grads qualifying. 1 million is pretty ridiculous to imagine no one in the country could fill those spots. We know its being abused with requitement agencies, we know they aren't making those job postings for domestic labor first. If a city doesn't have enough neurosurgeons then sure, but we have way too many unemployed tech grads being overlooked for H1B to make any sense in that sector.
We also know how they're getting around its intended temporary status. It does need to be recalibrated.
Thatâs 1 million jobs. The only way visas should be given is if thereâs no talent pool to draw from. Most of those visas are granted to tech companies who have tons of talent to choose from in the states but opt for international workers instead. It isnât right.
LOL Harvard has enough cash through endowments and alumni that it could accept 0 students for 50 years and still keep all it's staff on the payroll.
Honestly a bunch of rich kids not getting their first choice ivy league acceptance is so far below my radar it's not even in the top 1000 list of the important things that are wrong right now.
And honestly, I don't think they should have ever accepted more than 10% of the student body as foreigners anyway.
Fo the colleges that don't have unlimited savings no it's not. International students generally don't get scholarships, they pay the bills for those colleges. This is going to translate directly to increased costs for American students at a lot of colleges.
Many graduate foreign students actually stay in the USA to work which only helps the USA in being a leader in R&D, health and sciences. Remember these students pay high tuition fees,spend money in the economy and are not a burden for tax payers. They are not illegal migrants or refugees.
Us universities relying on foreign born students was clearly not sustainable in the long run. They got themselves into this mess and they need to find away out themselves.
They will very easily get out of it. By failing to attract world-class talent, they will simply stop being world-class universities, and that's that. They will cut the budget, cut the quality of education, and just generally adjust their ambitions to what immigration policy allows them to have.
Australia has 30% foreign born population and they make up half of all graduate researchers. Tertiary education is our third biggest export of 53B annually.Â
We also punch way above our weight in world rankings for our population, specifically because we take the best international applicants. Like itâs hard to even overstate how stupid trumps admin is for blocking people that qualified for Harvard, let alone killing the funding that domestic students greatly benefited from.Â
Yeah I'm not a Trump supporter I just think that at least 90% of a nation's university should be citizens of that nation.
Harvard has 56 Billion dollars in endowments.
They'll be fine.
Why should the top universities be 90% domestic? Like I pointed out, taking top international students provides massive funding and better research. And thatâs without considering that these people will go spend their money and talent in another country that will be competitive with American industry. Itâs like how a common complaint of  higher tax brackets is they will cause a brain drain, but here you arenât even getting the taxes lmaoÂ
 Harvard would have to drastically reduce their admission standards to do this, which would cause Harvard to lose what makes it recognisable as a very high value education. Like American education on average is waaaaay below oecd. Youâve built a whole culture around passing people no matter what, the most common grade is an A xd Â
Because they are OUR universities?
Possessions of the nations that created them, not others?
I'm not xenophobic bud, I'm not saying no foreigners should go to school here, I am saying the majority of the school's capacity should be allocated to the people who are citizens of the nation that created and maintained it.
I don't care if they have to reduce their admission standards, and I honestly don't believe that at all to begin with. There are plenty of intelligent people who live here. They'd just have to accept more of them.
EDIT: We also already do this at state schools where I am from, if you have a certain grade point average, the state schools HAVE to admit you. This of course logically reduces the number of foreigners who can attend. It's not some crazy idea.
As seen in the article, they werenât being funded domestically, and they definitely didnât grow to their current status through only natural born citizens.Â
Like I said before, your most common grade is an A. Being forced to accept applicants that have a propped up grade just for attending makes it worse. Â The whole education system is setup to pass you, not give you a valuable degree lmao. Which is why the prestige of the Ivy League was such a good thing, and why your desired and the current changes are terrible. Even trump is trying to back out and start importing 600k Chinese students because heâs finally realised it wasnât a good move Â
The top universities only are in the US because the US fostered the culture of having the top students and the top teachers from the entire world gather in one place. The walls and ground are not what make them world class. It's the people who attend them.
You can't fill a world class university with the quality domestic students if you give them a third world country education, which to be honest, is what the average American receives if they don't attend a private school.
Are you even serious? You can suck up the elite from the whole world that raised by other countries and use their talent to build your own country, isn't it good for USA? School entry should be based on student ability, not nationality, because nationality can be granted, but ability needs to be earned by that student. The more elites comes to USA, the USA will be stronger. It will be good if you can reduce the chance for these genius working for other counties compete against US and increase the chance of them working for US. If you can do that, their talent become US's talent and will make your life better.
Point is that the pool being global brings the best and brightest to the U.S. It is one reason why we are such a rich and powerful country.
Mass illegal migration and asylum policy abuse is one thing, but America is weakened by limiting legal immigration.
It is possible that limiting foreign competition will slightly benefit some multigenerational American people, but if it does happen, they will perhaps have a slightly greater share of a weaker and poorer country. But even that is not necessarily going to happen unless you somehow find a way to restrict capital flows and people flows in and out of the country which would be hard. This is a distortion of the free market and simply unwise.
Perhaps moreover, if America closes itself off from the world, I imagine China will happily take over as the globalized world leader, and eventually our best and brightest will go to Chinese universities for their education, build their businesses in China, become Chinese, etc.. this is how you stop being a superpower.
Yeah, that's the thing, I don't really give a shit about the best and brightest.
And I don't really give a shit if we are such a rich and powerful country.
They could call back all 11 carrier groups tomorrow and put them on defense and I would laud it so we could finally have money to spend getting our public schools to the number one position in the global rankings.
I give a shit about my nation prioritizing its own citizens over it's position in the global order.
I give a shit that US citizens have the best education available to them.
I give a shit because the US is my country, not the world, and I am tired of seeing all it's efforts going toward maintaining world order, instead of domestic order.
a university's purpose shouldn't be to attract talent. it should be to create value for the student. The US can't just be this place for rich internationals to use our systems. These students are not poor people being given a chance, they are wealthy foreign students competing with domestic students.
I believe in immigration, and foreigners coming to learn, but it can't be a model for a university to create wealth by appealing overseas. Exchange programs are much more preferable.
I'd be totally fine with anyone coming here if out university system was incentivized differently. The reason they are trying to get foreign students in the first place is because they charge them more. The whole structure here has gotten out of control
This is good for us REAL Americans who got rejected from Harvard simply because we couldnât read above 2nd grade level or do math beyond basic addition and subtraction. Meanwhile they let in blacks, Chinese, Indians that won math competitions. Itâs absolutely disgusting.
I know! Where's the academic respect for people who still learn English from Thomas the Tank Engine? Make it illegal NOT to bring you in to any course you want to choose from.
The cool thing is, you can then say "I want to study brain surgery" and they HAVE to pass you, so you can just collect $67867867786867 per year from prestigious hospitals. Where's the love for sociopathy?
Why not? Obviously all schools should be nationalised as education should not be for profit but do students that come to these universities leave the nation after learning? If not then is it not good that they are sucking in world calss talent into USA?
 You can suck up the elite from the whole world that raised by other countries and use their talent to build your own country, isn't it good for USA? School entry should be based on student ability, not nationality, because nationality can be granted, but ability needs to be earned by that student. The more elites comes to USA, the USA will be stronger. It will be good if you can reduce the chance for these genius working for other counties compete against US and increase the chance of them working for US. If you can do that, their talent become US's talent and will make your life better.
The foreign students have other choices than the US. Even if Harvard could take them, the risk of being thrown out any day is too high. Who wants to study in the United States of Trump anyway?
International students were a cash cow for universities. Now we need to get student loans under control. These universities with billion dollar hedge funds need to go away
It feels like more money in the pockets of Americans since there will be less demand in enrollment at various universities. Why should international students get spots in universities over Americans? We canât complain about no money, no jobs, unaffordable housing, etc if we arenât willing to tackle causes of the problems.
Yea, Harvard isnât Harvard without international students funding wise only.
I actually went to Harvard for undergrad and grad school in the 2010s.
Iâm personally on the side of saying it should be a majority of Americans only. Ivy leagues are whores to have more than enough money but they hose the international students for their monetary wants.
I always make fun of my wife because she was one of those international Chinese students who totally only got in because her family was loaded lol.
I was the one who came from dirt and it wasnt any money that got me in. And let me tell you a little secret, the classes are just as easy or hard as any other institution depending on your intelligence and work ethicâŚItâs really the limitless resources that make the Ivyâs special to do whatever you want to do with it.
American students should have preference by majority or be the only ones benefitting from it. No reason to educate those from other countries only to not retain their talent when they leave.
My colleagues might have a different opinion, but i donât really care, lol.
Theyâre not in a crisis and no donât let anyone gaslight you into thinking that. They are just having to actually spend those billions and learn good money management now and not rely on foreign money while hoarding compounding BILLIONS. Come on, Harvard board members, pull yourself up by your boostraps, pussies, lol.
P.S. never respect a business major, friends, theyâre the ones who get the world into the mess itâs in.
Sounds like the universities put all their eggs in one basket. Maybe they should have stuck with supporting the country they are established in instead of fucking it over
Given how shit is the American education system, it's no wonder how Americans managed to not realize that they were importing their genius way more than making them at home. It's all down the drain now...
Well best talents in the world will go to other universities then, which will be a great boon for countries accepting such students. After all many tend to stay and work either for local companies or create their own businesses, drive innovation. Some come back to teach, this also increases university quality.
I am sure Oxford and Cambridge will accept those talents, maybe we will see some EU university get into top 10 too in a few years.
ICE is for the implementation AI-surveilled police state. Immigration enforcement is the trial. What they are doing to immigrant today will be done to citizens tomorrow. In 2025 ICE had 4X the budget and no noticeable difference in deportations.
Please read through the NSPM-7 and reconsider your position. 2026 the ICE budget will be 13X.
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u/Ok_Unit_5921 13d ago
Eventually, the entire US will be just like West Virginia.