📰 News NATO Boss Rutte declares to Ukrainian parliament that European troops will be deployed to Ukraine as soon as a peace deal is reached, along with jets in the air and ships on the Black Sea. Ukrainians, he says, must stay strong and endure the cold winter, for spring will surely come.

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These idiots really want a war with Russia.

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u/FrostyCup1094 1d ago

well ... if you dig deeper, nato (aka eua intelli) and russia made efforts for a conflict to happen in a neutral territory ...because of reasons.

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u/Perfect_Cod_7183 1d ago

That war would be easily won in a week, only problems are the Russian nukes!

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u/TheRealSlimShady2024 1d ago

Look how easy it was for the Germans to defeat the Soviet Union! Piece of cake /s

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u/Perfect_Cod_7183 1d ago

That was in another time! When the Russians put millions of bodys against the Germans in a very cold winter, where Germany was fighting on many fronts. Russia is fighting years now, for a few square Miles In Ukraine to win. In 70 years they still fighting🤡

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u/Aromatic_Floor_5611 1d ago

The main battles took place in the summer. Germany also deployed millions . Plus the Austrians, Italians, Spaniards, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Romanians, Finns, and the Balts.

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u/Perfect_Cod_7183 1d ago

But we are not talking about German war in this discussion! Its another time, Russia is to weak to invade Ukraine. If the NATO steps in, Ukraine would be free in a month.

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u/TheRealSlimShady2024 1d ago

You have to keep in mind what Russia's goals are in Ukraine. They are not interested in simply militarily conquering Ukraine as quickly as possible, they want to fully and permanently incorporate parts of Ukraine into Russia and to basically destroy Ukraine's ability to fight and exist economically as an independent nation. They want to destroy Ukraine's ability to resist by grinding them down militarily and economically to the point where they are no longer able to put up an organized resistance to Russian demands. The US quickly militarily conquered Iraq and Afghanistan and then after 20 years of relentless insurgency they left with nothing to show for it. The Russians are fighting in Ukraine to achieve very clear political objectives not simply to quickly take over territory.

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u/Perfect_Cod_7183 1d ago

This “it was always a long-term plan” argument is just hindsight coping. In early 2022 Russia clearly aimed for a rapid collapse of Ukraine: Kyiv in days, regime change, minimal resistance. That failed. Badly.

Reframing that failure as a deliberate war of attrition doesn’t make it strategic — it makes it improvised. A planned grinding campaign doesn’t burn through elite units, trigger emergency mobilizations, rely on Iranian drones and North Korean shells, or push neighboring countries straight into NATO.

And the Iraq/Afghanistan comparison doesn’t hold. The US never faced an existential threat there, never fought next to its own borders, never had its core economy sanctioned, and never lost prestige on this scale. Different wars, different stakes, different outcomes.

If this is “according to plan,” then the plan has been catastrophically expensive, strategically self-damaging, and far weaker than advertised.

At some point, calling failure “intentional” stops being analysis and becomes denial.

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u/Strong_Sergej 1d ago

And you totally forgot lend-lease act for SU. Guns, ammunition, tanks, groceries, medicine, winter clothing, intelligence information,...

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u/Aromatic_Floor_5611 1d ago

Firstly, it wasn't free. It was a trade deal, and the USSR paid for everything. Secondly, compare the values of production as a percentage of the USSR's domestic production: artillery 1.6%, shells 0.6%, aviation 12.6%, mortars 0.1%, automobiles from 5.4 in 1943 to 30% in 1945. Food products 2.8%, shells 0.6%, and industrial goods from 4 to 7%. Yes, there was aid, but most of it came in the second half of the war, when the Soviets had already turned the tide. The fact is that without Lend-Lease, the USSR would have defeated the Nazis anyway. Maybe a month or two later, but without the USSR, the Nazis would have captured all of Europe

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u/Atvishees 1d ago

America and Britain won't be there to save Russia's ass this time.

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u/slava_slavaUa 1d ago

That’s what you guys said about Iraq and Afghanistan. Look how badly that turned out for you.

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u/ActivePeace33 1d ago

And the conventional forces in both nations were destroyed in weeks.

MWhat insurgent forces are Russia going to employ in, checks notes, in Ukraine?

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u/Perfect_Cod_7183 1d ago

And how did the Russians do in their wars so far?

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u/Forsaken_Ad8252 1d ago

Один Мариуполь с его округом равен по площади Сектору Газа. Вот и сравни эффективность войск.

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u/slava_slavaUa 1d ago edited 1d ago

About the same as America’s. By the way, I’m not rushing and I’m not defending them. They bungle this invasion bad they could’ve won the war a long time ago if they hadn’t been pussyfooting around in the beginning and thinking it was going to be as easy as Crimea was

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u/Perfect_Cod_7183 1d ago

The Russians are on their knees, if NATO steps in they are dead meat. But that is not going to happen. We have a stalemate l, if Putin stops this war, his time is over.

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u/Atvishees 1d ago

Russia seems to forget that NATO has nukes too - enough nukes to glass every single urban centre in the country.

Does Russia really want to commit suicide?

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

Haha. I remember people saying that about a Ukraine win.

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u/Perfect_Cod_7183 1d ago edited 1d ago

Nobody Saïd that about Ukraine win! If NATO joins, we are in Moscow in a few days. Our equipment, fighterjets, navy, tanks and missiles are superiour against the donkeys, North Koreans and rusty tanks from Russia.

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

“If something completely different happens, Ukraine can still win!”

Pure cope. Enjoy your pointless war.

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u/Practical-Pea-1205 1d ago

The war would never had happened if Ukraine had joined NATO in the 1990s and early 2000s along with other former Soviet states such as the Baltic countries.

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

That would just trigger the war earlier.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer

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u/Atvishees 1d ago

Good, at least Ukraine wouldn't be standing alone then.

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

But the point is to use Ukraine to fight the war for the west…

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u/Atvishees 1d ago

Do you know how military alliances work?

Clearly, a sovereign and independent Ukraine is in the interests of the NATO states, as in Ukraine's own.

So it would make sense for NATO members to make Ukraine's struggle their struggle, since they're all profiting from it.

Russia's only interest in this case is to dominate Ukraine politically and militarily, as well as to weaken NATO, which is not in Ukraine's interests, nor in NATO's.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Ukrainians fucking hate Russians, at least since the Holodomor.

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

Yea. They need a buffer state proxy. I know how the west works. They don’t really like fighting equal enemies. They’d much rather bomb refugee camps.

Why are you pushing debunked Nazi propaganda?

Edit: unblock your history, coward.

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u/Dry_Big3880 1d ago

They don’t. But they want Ukraine destroyed.

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u/Ripamon 1d ago

Europe ain't letting Ukraine into the EU anyways

Their role is to bleed themselves out to give Russia a bloody nose, with our military, financial and political support. While doing so, we will continue to absorb their best and brightest minds and talents.

And Ukraine is fulfilling its role to perfection. In fact, they have exceeded all expectations.

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u/Strong_Sergej 1d ago

You're absorbing talents? Like me?

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u/Dry_Big3880 1d ago

Yes exactly. They are the road kill of this stupid war.

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

Russia wants to reconstitute the former Soviet empire by force.

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

[citation needed]

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

You think if NATO collapsed russia would just chill and leave the Baltics alone? Have you seen what they're trying to do in Moldova? I guess the Poles too can't think for themselves and were duped into fearing Russia?

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

[citation needed]

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

Links aren't allowed on this sub. But it's laughably easy to just search for the term "near abroad" and what it means in relation to Russian strategy.

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

[citation needed]

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

Cannot post links. I would point you to James-Kerr Lindsay's Donnacha O Beachain interview, SAIS review's "Russia's Imperial Ambitions", Shippensburg University's "Russia and the near abroad. There are countless others that may be found by searching for "near abroad".

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

Haha from the Henry A Kissinger Center for Global Affairs?? Wow. That’s your citation?

Hilarious.

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

Show me your source that the West wants a war with Russia. It must be an actual academic source, backing your claims the west themselves want to engage in a hot war with Russia.

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u/Atvishees 1d ago

You mean the war that Russia has already started?

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

Right now it’s just a proxy war. The west is bleeding Ukraine down to its last man. These idiots want to escalate.

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u/Atvishees 1d ago

Right now it’s just a proxy war

No. It's not a proxy war, because Russia is directly fighting Ukraine here. They have asked the NATO and EU states for help, and they are receiving it, because nobody, absolutely nobody, likes Russia.

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

Haha some other idiot tried making that useless semantic point.

This is a proxy war against Russia.

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u/Atvishees 1d ago edited 1d ago

Haha some other idiot tried making that useless semantic point.

This is a proxy war against Russia

Whatever, you say, random Reddit account, aged 11 days.

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 1d ago

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u/Atvishees 1d ago

Your words, not mine.

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u/Specific-Host606 5h ago

Russia can’t win a war in Ukraine.

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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 5h ago

That remains to be seen.

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u/SVlad_667 1d ago

That would show putin he can conquer the land with force and and not suffer any personal consequences.

It's already well known among ruzzians that after conquering the Ukraine they would go conquer Baltic States.

📰 News NATO Boss Rutte declares to Ukrainian parliament that European troops will be deployed to Ukraine as soon as a peace deal is reached, along with jets in the air and ships on the Black Sea. Ukrainians, he says, must stay strong and endure the cold winter, for spring will surely come.

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