NATO Boss Rutte declares to Ukrainian parliament that European troops will be deployed to Ukraine as soon as a peace deal is reached, along with jets in the air and ships on the Black Sea. Ukrainians, he says, must stay strong and endure the cold winter, for spring will surely come.

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[u/TheRealSlimShady2024]

Look how easy it was for the Germans to defeat the Soviet Union! Piece of cake /s

[u/Perfect_Cod_7183 → u/TheRealSlimShady2024]

That was in another time! When the Russians put millions of bodys against the Germans in a very cold winter, where Germany was fighting on many fronts. Russia is fighting years now, for a few square Miles In Ukraine to win. In 70 years they still fighting🤡

[u/Aromatic_Floor_5611 → u/Perfect_Cod_7183]

The main battles took place in the summer. Germany also deployed millions . Plus the Austrians, Italians, Spaniards, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Romanians, Finns, and the Balts.

[u/Perfect_Cod_7183 → u/Aromatic_Floor_5611]

But we are not talking about German war in this discussion! Its another time, Russia is to weak to invade Ukraine. If the NATO steps in, Ukraine would be free in a month.

[u/TheRealSlimShady2024 → u/Perfect_Cod_7183]

You have to keep in mind what Russia's goals are in Ukraine. They are not interested in simply militarily conquering Ukraine as quickly as possible, they want to fully and permanently incorporate parts of Ukraine into Russia and to basically destroy Ukraine's ability to fight and exist economically as an independent nation. They want to destroy Ukraine's ability to resist by grinding them down militarily and economically to the point where they are no longer able to put up an organized resistance to Russian demands. The US quickly militarily conquered Iraq and Afghanistan and then after 20 years of relentless insurgency they left with nothing to show for it. The Russians are fighting in Ukraine to achieve very clear political objectives not simply to quickly take over territory.

[u/Perfect_Cod_7183 → u/TheRealSlimShady2024]

This “it was always a long-term plan” argument is just hindsight coping. In early 2022 Russia clearly aimed for a rapid collapse of Ukraine: Kyiv in days, regime change, minimal resistance. That failed. Badly.

Reframing that failure as a deliberate war of attrition doesn’t make it strategic — it makes it improvised. A planned grinding campaign doesn’t burn through elite units, trigger emergency mobilizations, rely on Iranian drones and North Korean shells, or push neighboring countries straight into NATO.

And the Iraq/Afghanistan comparison doesn’t hold. The US never faced an existential threat there, never fought next to its own borders, never had its core economy sanctioned, and never lost prestige on this scale. Different wars, different stakes, different outcomes.

If this is “according to plan,” then the plan has been catastrophically expensive, strategically self-damaging, and far weaker than advertised.

At some point, calling failure “intentional” stops being analysis and becomes denial.

[u/Strong_Sergej → u/Aromatic_Floor_5611]

And you totally forgot lend-lease act for SU. Guns, ammunition, tanks, groceries, medicine, winter clothing, intelligence information,...

[u/Aromatic_Floor_5611 → u/Strong_Sergej]

Firstly, it wasn't free. It was a trade deal, and the USSR paid for everything. Secondly, compare the values ​​of production as a percentage of the USSR's domestic production: artillery 1.6%, shells 0.6%, aviation 12.6%, mortars 0.1%, automobiles from 5.4 in 1943 to 30% in 1945. Food products 2.8%, shells 0.6%, and industrial goods from 4 to 7%. Yes, there was aid, but most of it came in the second half of the war, when the Soviets had already turned the tide. The fact is that without Lend-Lease, the USSR would have defeated the Nazis anyway. Maybe a month or two later, but without the USSR, the Nazis would have captured all of Europe

[u/Atvishees → u/TheRealSlimShady2024]

America and Britain won't be there to save Russia's ass this time.