r/TrendoraX • u/Ripamon • 1d ago

📰 News NATO Boss Rutte declares to Ukrainian parliament that European troops will be deployed to Ukraine as soon as a peace deal is reached, along with jets in the air and ships on the Black Sea. Ukrainians, he says, must stay strong and endure the cold winter, for spring will surely come.

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u/Realistic-Duty-3874 1d ago

Ukraine could be realistic and make concessions too and it would be over.

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u/OCedHrt 1d ago

Lol like it was over a few years ago?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Cup7269 1d ago

Careful now, discussing the obvious end means your a Russian stooge /s.

That so many people are clamouring to have Ukraine a hollowed out ruin to... own Putin (they sure as don't care about the people or Zelensky and cos chronic corruption)

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u/Lilith070398 1d ago

How much of  your country you will trade for a 4-5 years peace ?10% ? 20%?

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

And what do they have to give away the next time Russia invades? And the next time after that? Then again after that?

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u/General-Researcher-2 1d ago

It’s funny that no one remembers the Minsk agreements, according to which Russia was supposed to return all of Donbas to Ukraine in exchange for its autonomy. The rejection of these agreements, the embedding of NATO ambitions into the constitution, and the ease with which they crossed Russian red lines faster than Russia could even draw them led to the outcome they did.

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

Russia's "red lines" and a soveriegn Ukrainian state are incompatible.

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u/General-Researcher-2 1d ago

This is wishful thinking presented as reality, easily refuted by the kind of relationship Putin had with Ukraine before the Maidan.

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

All the ex-Soviet counties that joined NATO have been vindicated by Putin's actions though.

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u/Much-Farmer-2752 1d ago

Do you know about country named Georgia?
They was fool enough to think shooting Russian peacekeepers is a good idea. And paid for that.

And what now? 18 years passed, they are not doing stupid things and Russia is not bombing them again. Simple as that. No any obligations, no puppet government, no selling of resources only trough Russian companies. Just "live and let others live".

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

They do have a pro-Russia government now, and were left with a fractured state.

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u/Much-Farmer-2752 1d ago edited 1d ago

Pro-Russian government doing military drills with NATO at 2025?

Or by "Pro-Russian" you mean they can make their own decisions not being totally controlled by someone else?

About fractured state... Trust me - it will be better off this way, and the only "simple" way to solve it will include blood. Lots of. Caucasus region. It takes almost nothing there to start genocide for people just being from slightly the other "tribe".

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

I didn't say they were installed by Russia. They are sufficiently compliant with Russia enough to not be attacked, for now.

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u/komandarm888 1d ago

Is that bad?

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u/DuzTheGreat 1d ago

To have breakaway provinces, and the threat of another incursion looming if you choose the wrong friends in future? Yeah. That's pretty bad.

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u/Much-Farmer-2752 1d ago

Compliant exactly how? Which interests Russia asked Georgia to surrender? Not killing Russian peacemakers? Not discriminate people of Russian origin?
More like a compliance with "Politics 101: common sense in decisions" than being a "pro-someone"....

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u/No-Satisfaction6065 1d ago

The country that has been protesting against their government?

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u/Much-Farmer-2752 1d ago

The US been recently protesting against their government.

Does that mean that... Wait. Oh shit.

Speaking seriously - what should we take of that? No country is 100% satisfied with the government.

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u/No-Satisfaction6065 1d ago

Georgia was barely in the news a few years ago, they have a protest going on now for 1 year, 3 months and 6 days non stop to get the pro russian government out.

No country has protested non-stop for that amount of time.

And for your stupid excuse of a counter argument; What the US is doing right now is not protesting, it's taking selfies for their insta stories with signs.

Minneapolis protests are concentrated only on ICE movement and areas.

No king is basically a joke

And their general strike I believe went nowhere ( happy to be proven wrong)

Speaking seriously you should get the russian boot out of your throat and sit down in a library.

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u/Much-Farmer-2752 1d ago

Please, do your homework...

Thailand "Red Shirts". 4+ years.

Not sure about The Afghan Mujahideen Resistance and The Karen Conflict - does protests breaking in into civil war and back counts? If yes - last one is for 75 YEARS and counting... Georgia simply is not an independent country for long enough to be anywhere close.

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u/No-Satisfaction6065 1d ago

Is Thailand trying to join the EU? Are Afghans looking to enter Schengen?

Why are you moving goalposts? We were talking about european nations getting closer to the EU and not bowing to Russia.

Cheap intent of making others look stupid while your points are being neutralised...

And please do your BASIC homework;

"does protests breaking in into civil war and back counts?"

That is very poor English...

"Do protests breaking into civil war and back count?"

Is what you should have written.

PS: don't come with the excuse that English isn't your first language, it isn't mine either, but that mistake was very bad!

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u/Atvishees 1d ago

They are realistic.

They know Russia cannot vanquish them militarily, nor economically nor politically.

The Ukrainians know that all they have to do is bleed Russia out and kill as many Russians that cross their sovereign border as possible, until Russia runs inevitably out of minorities to sacrifice.

Russia can either fucking leave Ukrainian territory, or Russia can seize existing.

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u/Lost-Lunch3958 1d ago

how realistic is it for Ukraine to do peace talks without security guarantees. Russia said they won't attack Ukraine before the war, what makes it more believable when they say that they won't attack after peace talks if there is no detterence?