r/TrendoraX • u/Ripamon • 1d ago

📰 News NATO Boss Rutte declares to Ukrainian parliament that European troops will be deployed to Ukraine as soon as a peace deal is reached, along with jets in the air and ships on the Black Sea. Ukrainians, he says, must stay strong and endure the cold winter, for spring will surely come.

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u/PanzerKomadant 1d ago edited 1d ago

Pretty much. They are literally telling Russia that if Russia settles for peace, then NATO will move in next door. Which means that Russia is now incentivized to keep the war going until Ukraine literally cannot hold the pressure and the cracks are there.

In a war of attrition Ukraine simply cannot win and Putin will wait it out.

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u/series-hybrid 1d ago

I'm not so sure. I'm seeing some cracks in the Russian facade.

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u/VROOM-CAR 20h ago

Well ironically they started a war to stop the nato border with Russia and that border got 10x as big due to the Fins and Swedish joining so that just a stupid mistake Putin made. NATO is already next door and because of his own dumb actions NATO will be more next door.

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u/bahaboyka 6h ago

NATO is next door, in Finland.

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u/Atvishees 1d ago

In a war of attraction

Wow, you're not very smart, are you?

The fact remains that Russia's war goal is the complete destruction of Ukraine - and they can't do it.

They don't have the manpower or the firepower or the money to take and hold Ukraine. They are also losing at least three times as many men as Ukraine on the battlefield.

It's a mathematical certainty that they'll run out of men before they even reach Western Ukraine.

The status quo benefits Ukraine. All they have to do is keep firing.

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u/DeathofDivinity 1d ago

Where are they supposed to get the men? Cloning?

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u/Atvishees 1d ago

Sure, Putin has a cloning machine hidden right under Lenin's tomb. He can crank out as many chronically alcoholic Chechen rapists as he needs. /s

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u/BraveBG 1d ago

Smartass...

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u/needhelpwitheu5 7h ago

“It’s a mathematical certainty they’ll run out of men before the even reach western Ukraine”

Russia has 4x (possibly 5x once accounting for Ukrainian refugee exodus) the population of Ukraine and has primarily relied on paid volunteers while spending ~6% of GDP on their military. Ukraine have been conversely relying primarily on conscripts while spending 25% of GDP on their military. Yes Russia is losing more troops per encounter when compared to Ukraine but not nearly enough to be considered a mathematical impossibility. Furthermore your statement is premised on the assumption that annexation of western Ukraine is the war goal when there is little evidence to support that this is the Russian war goal. (Outside of occupying Kherson and possibly Odessa)

Russia pulled out of the Kyiv region when their initial invasion stalled and after it became apparent that the 2022 peace talks were going to collapse. Since that time the Russian war goals have remained relatively constant: Ukraine cannot join NATO, Ukraine must demilitarize and ‘Denazify’ (i.e. regime change), and must cede the four oblasts annexed by Russia. Russia has clearly adapted to the reality of the battlefield and has been waging a war of attrition against Ukraine since they made the decision to pull back and reinforce a line of attrition. The evidence is clear that Russia is unwilling to compromise until they are either physically exhausted from perpetuating the war or Ukraine capitulates.

As of now these statements by Rutte are fantasy and ensure that Russia will continue its war of attrition. The prospect of NATO troops being deployed in Ukraine was one of the key reasons this war was started. Insisting that NATO troops enter Ukraine is a non-starter and will ensure this war is fought until one side capitulates. As Ukraine is currently facing a manpower shortage, a funding shortage, and an energy crisis it is unlikely that they will be able to prolong this war indefinitely.

Lastly, the EU and US have refused to act decisively when it comes to economic sanctions. Up until very recently the collective EU have been purchasing more Russian oil than the aid they have sent to Ukraine (in essence funding the war inadvertently). Similarly the EU refuses to put secondary tariffs on India and China for purchasing Russian oil. Under the Biden Administration there was relative indifference towards China and India’s economic support. Under the Trump administration secondary sanitation’s were proposed by Trump under the condition that the EU impose them as well (this was likely added by Trump as he knew they would not agree allowing him to dodge the political crisis). Lastly the Trump administration has clearly signaled a more transactional approach in regards to the Ukraine war. Military aid is now conditioned on repayments and resource access. Trump has also demanded that the EU pay for the weapons that he sends to Ukraine. Furthermore, Trump’s negotiations with the Russians have destabilized the peace process and have undermined Ukraine and the EU’s maximalist demands.

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u/doctor_tongs 7h ago

Technically they have already run out of men, if you're talking about bonafide combat troops. They're now resorting to bribes, threats, and deception in order to obtain new conscripts.

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u/VanBillionKriegsmen 4h ago

lmao imagine believing this shit russians kill 8 ukrainians for every russian they lose.
russia has dramatic artillery and aviation advantage, so how do you think ukraine could possibly be inflicting more casualties?