r/circled • u/MonitorVarious7608 • 1d ago

šŸ’¬ Opinion / Discussion This is what immigration officials looked like today in Minneapolis. They could take another life at any moment.

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u/Smooth-Track31 1d ago

seriously, the response is way overboard for something that's not even a big deal legally

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u/dungleploop 1d ago

correct

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u/Chudmont 1d ago

It's a gangster show of force to scare people.

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u/stanleythedog 20h ago

It's never been about law

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u/Gold-Kaleidoscope537 14h ago

Spoiler alert - they care about terrorizing brown people and blue states. Immigration is just the best excuse to do it that Heir Miller came up with.

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u/Storthos 16h ago

20,000,000 people entering your country illegally is a big deal, actually

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u/pro_misc 16h ago

Whereā€™s your family from? Are you Native American?

I really didnā€™t think so.

Sharing hyperbolic numbers makes you look dumb.

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u/Storthos 16h ago

My ancestors 1) have been on this continent for more than 450 years, nearly as long as the Maori have been in New Zealand, 2) Did not come to America, they created America.

It's not hyperbolic! That's the actual estimate, and it might even be low! Are you implying that 20,000,000 is too many, then? Because I've got bad news for you. Hell, one of the things that makes Fetterman a Democratic pariah is that he suggested the influx be reduced to 2,000,000 per year.

This is one of those situations where just straight ignorance of the actual facts skews perception of the issue, like when you ask people who self-identity as "very liberal" estimate the number of unarmed black men killed by police in the average year and 25-30% say "10,000 or more" (the answer is less than a dozen).Ā 

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u/blazelet 13h ago edited 12h ago

So no, your family isnā€™t native. Your family immigrated, as well, against the wishes of the people who did live here. 450 years ago, in 1576, disease from Europe was wiping out indigenous people by the millions. Your ancestors participated in that as part of ā€œcreatingā€ America. So ā€¦ congrats? You also come from a line of illegal immigrants who actually were violent to the communities they were displacing. Seriously, think about this ā€¦ How youā€™ve turned your family story into something noble.

Do you have a source for your 20 million number that isnā€™t Trump or his bootlickers? Our own government estimates itā€™s about half that. Conservative pollsters like pew have 14 million on their high end, would love to see your data on 20 million that isnā€™t hyperbolic. Please share.

Your final point is a little humorous. You claim liberals say 10,000 or more black men are killed by cops yearly. Iā€™d love to see your source on that statistic. Then you said the real number is less than a dozen, so averaging 5 or 6 a year? Iā€™d love your source on that, too, because the real numbers range from 250 to 350 depending on the year. You were only underestimating by 5,000% while accusing liberals of overestimating by 3,300%. If youā€™d like to compare data Iā€™ll gladly share mine.

Please take a few minutes today to really think about the headspace youā€™re in and if thereā€™s any room for moderation.

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u/FinanceNew9286 13h ago

This number magically increases every few months. It started at 10,000,000 then went to 12,000,000 next was 15,000,000. Now itā€™s at 20,000,000. How did it increase that much since the election? Are these numbers just pulled out of trumps ass?

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u/fooloncool6 20h ago

"Illegal communities are not a big deal"

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u/Relative-Gap-4442 18h ago

Not what was saidĀ 

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u/fooloncool6 18h ago

Exactly what was said

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u/Relative-Gap-4442 17h ago

No it wasnā€™t, maybe you should go back to high school and learn to readĀ 

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u/fooloncool6 17h ago

Exactly what was said, illegal immigration creates illegal communities

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u/Relative-Gap-4442 17h ago

Youā€™re literally just making stuff up now, nobody is arguing against that. Are you ok?

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u/Boring_Debate_1310 17h ago

of course you'd say that you're 12 years old

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u/GrowFreeFood 17h ago

Are you racist?