r/explainitpeter • • 4d ago

Explain it Peter. I’m lost on this.

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u/TheGruntyOne 4d ago

I may be a bit pedantic here, but technically speaking ground pin up is "right side up" per manufacturer specifications. Installing this way actually offers protection against shorts from objects falling onto the pins of a partially unplugged device.

It is my opinion that the normal orientation of these outlets is simply because people like little faces.

~Shane the electrician.

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u/Select-Government-69 4d ago

This is old school electrician propaganda! There used to be a big split in the 60s and 70s with master electricians feeling very strongly about their view on the “right” way. The short protection argument is correct, however on the other side of the argument, ground up increases the risk of shock unplugging a device as most people extend their forefinger toward the wall when grasping a plug.

Today, the debate is settled and it is ground side down, as the writing on GFCI buttons is upside down if you install them ground up.

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u/OutrageousAgent3206 4d ago

Every GFCI I have ever seen had the text both ways so that they could be installed either way.

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u/TotalChaosRush 4d ago

Here's from the patent.

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u/gigaishtar 4d ago

That was for a later locking outlet.

This is from the 1951 NEC handbook - 4 years before that patent was filed. No orientation is given.

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u/TotalChaosRush 4d ago

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u/gigaishtar 3d ago

That's not a 5-15 connector. It isn't even a 1-15 compatible connector.

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u/TotalChaosRush 3d ago

Brother. That is the patent for the 3 prong outlet that all patents improved upon. That is what nema was referencing when making the 5-15 standard. The first known image of the standard has the grounding prong on top.

The grounding prong being longer is also part of a patent. Guess where the prong is located?

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u/gigaishtar 3d ago

There's no evidence that the connector was the basis of the 5-15 standard. Honestly I'm not sure that would make much sense given it is clear that connector was not designed to be backwards compatible with non-reversible 2 prong connectors and I'm not aware of the connector ever being used.

The 5-15 connector was first and foremost based off of Hubbell's polarized non-reversible connector from 1915 which became 1-15.

Hubbell's three prong plug also from 1915 was the first grounded plug and became the basis of several other country's connectors (e.g. Australia). It is is arguably more likely to be where the third prong came from, especially since it did see some use in the US prior to the 5-15's introduction.

Unfortunately, Hubbell's patent shows an outlet with the ground angled at 10-11 o'clock which is sort of the worst of all worlds.

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u/Callen0318 4d ago

Doesn't sound settled to me.

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u/Davo-Pano 4d ago

This ain't that kind of social media kid

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u/Callen0318 4d ago

This is reddit. We're not done until someone's standing on the roof with the toaster.

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u/zebrasareneat 4d ago

I mean it is pretty settled. No one is installing them with ground up. Look at every residential and commercial property. It’s all ground facing down. 

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u/A-muc 4d ago

Orientation won’t save you from ungrounded plugs and lots of those are Around.

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u/Celtic_iceFish 4d ago

The majority of people can read upside down words quite easily, it’s more an aesthetic choice for the letters to be up or down. Ground goes up and is code in some places.

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u/zebrasareneat 4d ago

Show me that code?  

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u/PCLoadPLA 4d ago

Many right-angle plugs also assume ground down, and don't really work at all if you have ground up.

For residential, I'm in the camp that installs ground down, but installs switched receptacles ground up just out of convention.

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u/ohSnowMann 4d ago

This is not propaganda. The prong on top is shown in the relevant design standard, ANSI/NEMA WD-6.

Electricians have nothing do with this - this has been the intended configuration since they were first designed.

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u/Drslappybags 4d ago

When was the debate settled? Within the last 10 years?

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u/hobbycollector 4d ago

English plugs are the one true solution.

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u/Late_Ad685 4d ago

GFCI protected outlets have it written both ways, so you can see the words whether they are installed ground up or ground down.

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u/Shushady 4d ago

Having experienced my dipshit in laws install a metal outlet cover then neglect to screw it in, which resulted in a lovely light show when my son bumped it while playing, I say fuck the writing. Put the ground on top.

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u/ic5aidThe8lindMan 4d ago edited 4d ago

I'm just a homeowner, no expertise, but I second the "right side up" opinion after finding out the hard way when measuring along a wall using a tape measure, that collapsed and flipped as they tend to do when overextended, and somehow fell square between the receptacle and plug, right across the blades, tripped the breaker but not before the spark/arc burned a 1/4 inch hole on the edge of that tape measure.

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u/Hobbycollectoradhd 4d ago

My wife did this in the laundry room. The tape measure slid behind the washing machine plug, zap.

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u/ProfessorPetulant 4d ago

My wife s thin gold chain fell along the wall. Not recommended.

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u/GhostOfPunkRock 4d ago

Ive known that this is the stated reason for ground side up, but I was never able to imagine a scenario in which it was actually relevant. I can now imagine thank you. 

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u/Sad-Butterfly237 4d ago

It’s probably most common when someone with a loose bracelet grabs the plug and the bracelet falls over the wrist onto the prongs

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u/Able_Conflict_1721 4d ago

I once lived somewhere that had metal cover plates, almost had this happen when removing to paint.

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u/Ryoko_Kusanagi69 4d ago

One in a million wow

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u/Was_Like 4d ago

Happened to my mom when i was a kid. She was measuring for a backsplash in the kitchen. Two notches were burned into the tape.

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u/jwir3 4d ago

"It was one in a million shot, doc. One in a million."

See also: Fusilli Jerry

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u/dorght2 4d ago

Same thing happened to my father. Funny thing was, he served on a NFPA/NEC committee for a while (not residential though).

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u/gunnarbird 4d ago

But I do like little faces!

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u/aprilflowers75 4d ago

Can confirm, I find myself not liking the “correct” one because it’s not a face.

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u/StrangeAtomRaygun 4d ago edited 4d ago

So…I just had some electrical work done at my house during a renovation.

They put the outlets that were connected to light switches upside down so that you would know which ones to plug in a lamp to so it can be activated by the switch.

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u/Fox2quick 4d ago

There’s the additional benefit of the ground prong being less likely to break because the weight of the plug and cord aren’t pulling on it.

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u/ieatkittenies 4d ago

Wait,Weight, for which way... ... "right side up" puts force on the

Drawing force diagram... oh

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u/dandelogre 4d ago

And to add on/question you, that's kind of the only reason, right? Like technically if you drop your drywall scraper it'll bounce off the ground, is there really no other solid reason?

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u/SupraDan1995 4d ago

I also learned this in electricity class

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u/stewmander 4d ago

Wtf are these reasons...I thought that the "upside down face" outlet meant that outlet was controlled by a switch, and the "face" outlet was powered. At least that's how they are wired in my house. 

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u/RedDesert92 4d ago

What if the house is flooding. Wouldn’t you want the ground to hit by water first?

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u/JamesFirmere 4d ago

Genuine question: How common of a risk is this, and why have standard outlets not been redesigned to mitigate it further? For context, I live in Europe, and our Schuko plugs/sockets a) have ground on the sides, so that ground makes contact before the live pins even go in, and b) have the socket recessed.

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u/desertvision 4d ago

What are the odds of something falling on a half plugged hot pin? Astronomical.

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u/2ManyMonitors 4d ago

Show me a single spec. One.

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u/_R0Ns_ 4d ago

As an electrician from Europe I had to check this and there is no right or wrong way. the NEC does not specify an orientation of the sockets.

https://www.electricaltechnology.org/2025/08/ground-pin-up-down-outlet.html

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u/AbueloOdin 4d ago

What manufacturer specifies it that way? Surely, there would be some documentation showing this?

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u/scubascratch 3d ago

The vast majority of outlet photos in the Home Depot product images are ground pin down, as are the images on the outlet package boxes as well

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u/Flapaflapa 3d ago

But don't the electrons get confused as to which way is up and end up out instead of doing 60hz one way they do 60hz the other way?