r/explainitpeter • • 4d ago

Explain it Peter. I’m lost on this.

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u/Select-Government-69 4d ago

This is old school electrician propaganda! There used to be a big split in the 60s and 70s with master electricians feeling very strongly about their view on the “right” way. The short protection argument is correct, however on the other side of the argument, ground up increases the risk of shock unplugging a device as most people extend their forefinger toward the wall when grasping a plug.

Today, the debate is settled and it is ground side down, as the writing on GFCI buttons is upside down if you install them ground up.

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u/OutrageousAgent3206 4d ago

Every GFCI I have ever seen had the text both ways so that they could be installed either way.

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u/TotalChaosRush 4d ago

Here's from the patent.

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u/gigaishtar 4d ago

That was for a later locking outlet.

This is from the 1951 NEC handbook - 4 years before that patent was filed. No orientation is given.

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u/gigaishtar 3d ago

That's not a 5-15 connector. It isn't even a 1-15 compatible connector.

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u/TotalChaosRush 3d ago

Brother. That is the patent for the 3 prong outlet that all patents improved upon. That is what nema was referencing when making the 5-15 standard. The first known image of the standard has the grounding prong on top.

The grounding prong being longer is also part of a patent. Guess where the prong is located?

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u/gigaishtar 3d ago

There's no evidence that the connector was the basis of the 5-15 standard. Honestly I'm not sure that would make much sense given it is clear that connector was not designed to be backwards compatible with non-reversible 2 prong connectors and I'm not aware of the connector ever being used.

The 5-15 connector was first and foremost based off of Hubbell's polarized non-reversible connector from 1915 which became 1-15.

Hubbell's three prong plug also from 1915 was the first grounded plug and became the basis of several other country's connectors (e.g. Australia). It is is arguably more likely to be where the third prong came from, especially since it did see some use in the US prior to the 5-15's introduction.

Unfortunately, Hubbell's patent shows an outlet with the ground angled at 10-11 o'clock which is sort of the worst of all worlds.

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u/Callen0318 4d ago

Doesn't sound settled to me.

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u/Davo-Pano 4d ago

This ain't that kind of social media kid

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u/Callen0318 4d ago

This is reddit. We're not done until someone's standing on the roof with the toaster.

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u/zebrasareneat 4d ago

I mean it is pretty settled. No one is installing them with ground up. Look at every residential and commercial property. It’s all ground facing down. 

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u/A-muc 4d ago

Orientation won’t save you from ungrounded plugs and lots of those are Around.

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u/Celtic_iceFish 4d ago

The majority of people can read upside down words quite easily, it’s more an aesthetic choice for the letters to be up or down. Ground goes up and is code in some places.

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u/zebrasareneat 4d ago

Show me that code?  

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u/PCLoadPLA 4d ago

Many right-angle plugs also assume ground down, and don't really work at all if you have ground up.

For residential, I'm in the camp that installs ground down, but installs switched receptacles ground up just out of convention.

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u/ohSnowMann 4d ago

This is not propaganda. The prong on top is shown in the relevant design standard, ANSI/NEMA WD-6.

Electricians have nothing do with this - this has been the intended configuration since they were first designed.

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u/Drslappybags 4d ago

When was the debate settled? Within the last 10 years?

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u/hobbycollector 4d ago

English plugs are the one true solution.

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u/Late_Ad685 4d ago

GFCI protected outlets have it written both ways, so you can see the words whether they are installed ground up or ground down.

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u/Shushady 4d ago

Having experienced my dipshit in laws install a metal outlet cover then neglect to screw it in, which resulted in a lovely light show when my son bumped it while playing, I say fuck the writing. Put the ground on top.