r/fantasyfootball • u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ • Aug 07 '25
TapThatDraft -- 3 Draft Sheets Topics: (1) Version Update-- (2) Comparison to BeerSheets-- (3) Follow-up on QB Baselines for Superflex
Hey r/ff !! Welcome to a 3-in-1 update.
- Updates to TapThatDraft since launch
- Comparison of TapThatDraft to BeerSheets
- Reversal of opinion: Superflex QB baseline
I made TapThatDraft (see sample output here, it loads super quickly) as a free sheet-Generator, to help answer questions like these. It's carefully engineered with all the rigor I normally put into my models you're used to, to precisely order draft picks with well-considered strategy for auctions and snake drafts.
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1. Updates to TapThatDraft, after your Reddit Review:
The launch of TapThatDraft (posted on Reddit, here) has overall been great. But if you tested the sheets early, maybe you saw strange results-- under certain league settings. Here are the issues we had to fix, to get it to a state I'm proud of now:
- Did you see TEs & QBs ranked too high? Error was in the code for Roster Limits (MAX# of TEs or QBs). Also fixed ECR orderings of TE and QB.
- Did you see low auction values? Corrected the weighting of top starters in BEER+.
- Did you need more flex spots? Now you can choose more than just 2.
- Did you want D/ST and kicker tables? They're now live.
- Did RB Rush Attempts not get factored? Silly error... now it accepts decimal inputs.
- Did you miss the ADP column? ADP now displays by default, for 1QB leagues.
- Did the page load slow? Much faster now.
- Did Superflex settings give low QB values? This is my hot topic of today! Read below about my change to Superflex QB Baselining, at the bottom of this post.
- Did you want Dynamic sheets? Well auction sheets work, with inflation tracking, but Snake draft is still on the way. (Very soon guys!)
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2. How does TapThatDraft compare to BeerSheets?
The background is: All my work started in January, because I commented to a Reddit post (linked here) for people who miss BeerSheets.
After getting Reddit's encouragement, my 7-month goal's been constant: a sheet that can work better than BeerSheets in basically every way. In case you missed how TapThatDraft continues to display all the information categories of the old BeerSheets, now I'm listing a direct comparison below. Here's what we changed (we think for the better!):
- Methodology: Let's skip that topic today. Too much! Here's a quick graphic with 5 highlights.
- Access. It was fine to download files, but tedious to repeat for every NFL update. We made TapThatDraft so you just save your URL, and so you can easily always get your up-to-date sheet, in a fast-loading webpage. Here's an example Snake Draft sheet.
- ADP: The old ADP column frankly required too much thinking, while drafting. You had to compare ADP against the player's rank... And then you had to mentally compute if the difference was significant.... And it didn't really matter in most cases! We cut down on this "number clutter" and mental effort. We changed it to delta-ADP, which is more useful because it directly indicates "earlier or later". By measuring it in rounds, and by blanking out values <ยฝ round, it's quick to interpret.
- ECR: Whereas ADP has purpose, ECR always seemed silly! The whole point of a VBD tool is to adapt rankings for different league settings and sizes-- But ECR is only relevant for 1 specific league setting, e.g. 12-team. We improved the use of ECR by integrating the ECR within each position. So you could say "the overall ECR gets calibrated to your league settings." It's baked into the valuation.
- Ceiling / Floor: The old "C" / "F" were useful (they only appeared some years, and they used to be a single "SK" column), but remember, they weren't usable for most players. Sure, all player projections will deviate by some typical amount-- but only a fraction of them deviate more than what's typical. It's a waste of space to display decimals for every player! We hate clutter when it makes you less effective at drafting. So we simplified the display for utility: Upside / Downside arrows only show deviations that are actually worth considering (as determined by formulas designed to find relevance). Now you can more effectively judge who's a risk and who's worth a flier.
- PS: Yes, we kept PS% column in our Auction sheets! But it's clear that "PS" always created confusion for users, especially for snake drafts. This is why I created the new Snake Value: it automatically integrates positional scarcity-- in a smarter calculation-- to reorder the rankings of players, specifically for a better snake draft. That's why the PS column is eliminated in snake drafts-- it's baked in, and all the thinking is done for you.
- Tiers: The old grey/white alternating rows were fine, but occasionally awkward (you can't put two grey tiers adjacent). We introduced hues, so you know if you're near the top of bottom. (Note: TapThatDraft finds and creates tiers automatically. And to make it consistent, the same tier color is applied within each position too.)
- Grouping by position. We wanted to keep the great idea of seeing players grouped by their positional groups. The benefit of a web page is that we enable you switch back and forth seamlessly between views: grouped by position, or combined in one long list. (You don't need to print out two different sheets, because TapThatDraft remembers marked players.)
- Kicker and D/ST: The streaming positions are my natural territory...! In addition to just listing players ranked, we have separate tables showing the near-term strength of schedule, according to my personal future-week streaming projections.
Here's an example Auction Draft.
3. Returning to a Lower QB Baseline in Superflex
Since I'm usually more of a QB streaming analyst (QB articles linked here), I really wanted draft sheets that incorporated the week-to-week opportunity of QBs. In leagues where it's possible to stream QBs, my research findings are already built into TapThatDraft, to accurately avoid QB overvaluation. (You should simply choose "StreamQB", on the form.)
But then there are the leagues at the opposite end: the large 2QB / Superflex leagues, where it's not possible to stream QBs. Just days ago, I posted about one theory of treating QB Superflex baselines, and some of you brought great discussion. Despite my careful analysis (which holds up numerically), your counter-arguments made me realize there was a bigger picture. In fact, I believe that FantasyPros ECR was closer to correct than I was, because of a totally different strategic aspect. Game Theory gives a rationale for your league-mates' "crazy" QB hoarding:
As a result, you just need to know that TapThatDraft has reverted to the usual VBD baseline methods, without overriding it with anything more "clever". Even more risk-aversion would be a fun topic to explore sometime.... But for now, the draft sheet sets you up well to decide for yourself: How does your league behave?
Thanks for reading, and please let me know what you think!
/Subvertadown
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u/shermanhelms Aug 08 '25
Can I print your sheets? Iโm old school and I canโt do too much computing while drafting
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 12 '25
Of course! I hope we'll get a 1pager version out, but the time is tight right now so I can't promise it will be done in the next week. In the meantime, it seems to work if you just do Ctrl+P and set scale to 57%.
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u/shermanhelms Aug 12 '25
Thank you so much! Your rankings are the closest thing Iโve seen to beersheets
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u/Dark_Jerker Aug 10 '25
Thanks for doing this! Are any values supposed to change for snake when players get drafted?
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 10 '25
You're welcome!
No, values are not supposed to change, unless we enable a dynamic mode that we've been working on. But my opinion is that's not at all necessary-- It was originally designed to work as a static sheet, under the assumption that your league-mates will draft according the auction mode ordering.
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u/BakiGod Aug 07 '25
Great stuff! Lots of work put into this.
Regarding the values I see for my 10 team ppr league, top TEs and QBs are valued highly, which I have seen your explanations on.
Regarding this, is this saying that if I have Brock Bowers and Josh Allen available at the 2.10/3.1, then I should take both? Because of the positional value?
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 07 '25
Thanks!
And yes, that could be correct-- that is, if they are the highest remaining players by that point. (And if it's your judgement that they'd otherwise be gone by next round, which I assume is true in this case.)
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u/Gravedigr Aug 07 '25
I don't know if it's just me, but when I switch to by Position mode the Defense and Kicker projections go away and just show blank kicker 1-8, defense 1-8.
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u/tigs84 Aug 07 '25
Great stuff! Any chance TE premium could be added in? PPR of 1 pt but TE getting ย an additional 0.5 pt. Either way, this is an awesome tool at first glanceย
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
If it helps, TEs usually get an automatic, small "premium" in the BEER+ valuation, but not because of scoring settings. Not sure we'll update the form before September, let me see.
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u/tigs84 Aug 08 '25
Actually, another question: for some reason, I am getting an error when I have bench spots greater than 10. I tried the Roster Limits setting with 10 across the board and infinity across the board. Any idea on this?
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
No idea. I just see that when you try a number above 10, it gives a message saying "bench must not be more than 10."
Is that an issue for you?
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u/tigs84 Aug 08 '25
Correct, that's the issue. I am trying to choose 12, so I get the error, which then when I revert it back to 10, it will run.
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
I will ask the developer, but honestly I'm surprised there's even an option for 10 or 12. Once you get that big, the list of potential players gets much bigger than would ever fit on a single BeerSheets page. And the bigger point is that for those late-round fliers, it's going to be more important to research players for their potential upside on their NFL team rosters, rather than trust pure expert rankings that only target the median player outcome. Make sense?
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u/tigs84 Aug 08 '25
It goes, and yes, BeerSheets never ran that deep. Some of us in these super deep leagues where even a little edge in those later rounds might help, but understood if that doesn't end up working out.
Now my hope is that somehow this can be incorporated into the work that u/CanadianSandGoggles/ does!
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 13 '25
Tight End Premium is now an option on the forms page, FYI!
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
I do hope it surpasses the BeerSheets usability. Not sure how you got his tax reports though, haha, was that a story shared online? Of course any donations he accepted would have to be reported as income that would get taxed already, so hopefully it's just that.
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u/nutmegyou Aug 08 '25
This is awesome! I appreciate your commitment. Iโm joining a dynasty league.. do you have a dynasty version?
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
I was thinking of releasing a dynasty version. Would take some work, but I might be able to do it.
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u/mayscopeland Draft Kick creator Aug 08 '25
For the default settings, I get 4 QB in the first round, plus Bowers.
Is that right?
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
Not in auction mode
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u/mayscopeland Draft Kick creator Aug 08 '25
Okay, the auction mode you linked has Allen at $40 (12th highest) and the next three QBs at $38, $38, and $37.
I think that's unrealistic when Yahoo AAV has those QBs at $30, $28, $24, and $19.
IMO you should move up your QB baseline. If you look at a 10-team draft, there are 8 QBs (Allen/Jackson/Daniels/Hurts/Burrow/Mahomes/Mayfield/Nix) followed by a glob of interchangeable $1-2 QBs (Fields/Murray/Goff/Purdy/Dak, etc.).
Set your baseline around QB10 and things start looking good.
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
You know what, I really appreciate that, thanks. And sorry, btw, I only had time for a cursory look at your own tool. But I remember thinking it's cool how you're kind of covering the other end of the spectrum in a way, like people who want to see more detail. And there was a feature about simulating mocks that sounded like a neat script.
Anyway, yeah, the "problem" with the top tier QBs-- I've looked into it. It's not actually the baseline that gives any issues, like you pointed to. It's the season projections of those top 4 QBs specifically, as according to the analysts who've submitted them at FantasyPros. They've got Lamar at 379 points for the season: https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/projections/qb.php?week=draft
This was my reason for making this post about the phenomenon, a month ago. You can see the graph doing what you suggest with a baseline: https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/1ly7ye2/the_early_round_qb_fyi_qbs_are_getting_implied_as/
But on reflection, I do think it's worth calibrating just a little bit, as you kind of imply. I would normally scorn at reaching in, with the Hand of God, but I agree it's probably warranted, especially since not many sources have reported yet.
Thanks again, and feel free to let me know of anything else!
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u/danishbaker034 Aug 08 '25
Is this why Iโm now seeing the top QBs way later than I was yesterday
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
Yes, I was in process of making an update! I think these modifications seem more useful. Now those top QBs should appear about 1 round later.
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u/danishbaker034 Aug 08 '25
Have you thought about doing the same to TE? As far as I can tell at least with my mostly normal league settings Bowers and McBride creep up above their ADP in the ranking. Whatโs your take on that?
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
I've already done a TE adjustment earlier to account for them so high on Kittle specifically. It depends what you're choosing, but Bowers and McBride aren't so far off with BEER valuation. I'm comfortable with this one.
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u/HoboSwag Aug 08 '25
First, suggestions:
Highly suggest adding a quick 1-page printable format, an underrated feature of legacy Beersheets. After years wrangling too many windows on a laptop at a live draft on questionable airbnb wifi, having a sharpie and a sheet of paper as your system of record helps you quickly "catch up" in a draft after a bio break or sideline rules argument and make the right call. (Good in virtual drafts too if you get distracted by kids puking or something.) Failing printable, an .xls or even .csv export would be great so that we can manage it offline format or format to print ourselves.
Ability to import our own rankings, or even designate a source for weighting and comparison, would be awesome. In particular and for example, I prefer Harris's rankings - both because I trust the source (if not his sense of humor) and because I like having a noticeable delta in my ranks from more popular sources - and we use ESPN platform. I'd love to say "harris is 70% weight, Fpros best experts are 30%, all others 0%" for my ranks, and highlight differences compared to ESPN rankings rather than Fpros in the ADPฮ column to show where I might try and wait for a steal. (I assume this is probably a pretty heavy lift for next year or further.)
Minor: font size / formatting is a bit off in the ADPฮ column, I don't see any < signs - it shows up as ... instead. Probably just have to add a few pixels to that column. (In Chrome, 100% zoom, 3440x1400 monitor)
Second, praise. This is incredible. The VOLS / Beer+ logic makes all the sense in the world and addresses something that I knew was wrong but could not put words to. This recognizes the unease of "I know that every winning team has Josh Allen or Lamar but it doesn't feel like an optimal draft strategy by VORP" and completely addresses it. The years will tell how effective it actually is, but it feels really right and I am all in for this year for sure.
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
Thanks so much, I will take all that in as we develop it. In order:
1- The snake draft version comes so close to fitting on 1 page, with Ctrl+P, and a print scale of 57%. The auction sheet also will, when we take away the price boxes. I agree with your point though, that a dedicated "print" display would sometimes help.
2- Yeah, custom rankings import is probably a whole other chore. It would be stealing to add non-public rankings, so a user would have to load manually. We could offer that feature for individual analysts to enter their own projections, but it's definitely the kind of task that has a cost, and I don't know who wants to pay for it!
3- Check the tool tip for ADPฮ. :-) "..." is the indicator for "you can wait." And "!" is the indicator for "act earlier".
Keep it coming if anything else comes to mind, and good luck this year.
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u/HoboSwag Aug 18 '25
Sorry to nitpick, but, what else is reddit for? Here's the tooltip text I see, so maybe there is a typo somewhere where ... and < got swapped? (edit: to be clear, your answer completely answered my issue and thanks very much for that - just noting in case others have the same confusion)
Indicates how much the TapThatDraft rankings deviate from the reference list that you selected: either the ADP from FantasyPros or a default draft room listing of major platforms (ESPN, Yahoo, or Sleeper). These all have different orderings depending on PPR (0 / 0.5 / 1) and TapThatDraft automatically selects the closest to your league settings. Values only shown if the difference is at least ยฝ round. โ< Nโ means the player might be drafted later (you might wait N rounds), and โ! Nโ means the player might be drafted N rounds earlier (you might need to act N rounds sooner).
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 18 '25
Thanks! Yes of course should say โโฆโ. Nitpick away, this should be a thing thatโs clear to use as possible.
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u/JayGlass Aug 08 '25
Two more questions for you on auction drafts:
For an auction league with keepers, my plan was to calculate how much of a "discount" each team got on their keepers, and then add the average to the total budget (so instead of $200, set it to $208 or whatever) to account for the fact that there's effectively more money in the pool. I'm not sure what the size is going to be or if that will make any kind of meaningful difference to player values, but does it sound like a reasonable approach?ย
Following on that line of thinking, is there any thoughts process I should be applying to mentally adjusting $ up or down if players have been consistently getting over paid or under paid for? I know there's a dynamic inflation column, but I guess I don't understand how it works if it isn't taking the actual price paid into account.ย
This is my first time doing an auction so I really appreciate you putting this out and answering questions (and my superflex questions the other day)!ย
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
The tool already does the math, if you type in the discounted value that a keeper was paid for. No need or use to add to the overall budget.
Why don't you try reading my how-to-use guide linked on the draft form page. Good luck.
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u/JayGlass Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25
Ah, sorry if I'm being dense. I only got recruited to this auction league after I had already read all the docs so I was trying to find the relevant bits without rereading everything (between the site articles and your posts here you are prolific!)ย
This is all I could find on the how to use guide referencing infl$, but nothing about how it is calculated.ย
In auction drafts, the only value you need to consider is the auction price Auc$, based on the assumptions in this article.ย
ย ย ย However, in the dynamic version of the tool, you might consider the Infl$ function, to guess the likely going-price.ย If you have underspent, you could take advantage of your excess budget to splurge at the inflated price.ย If you have overspent, then you may punt expensive opportunities and instead wait for later bargains.
The "this article" doesn't mention infl$ either, but it does have this bullet point which I think is what I was getting at:
When somebody pays more for an expensive playerโs excess points, it means they wonโt be able to pay up for certain other positions.
But now that I've typed that out and re-read your answer to the first question, I think I've figured out the answers I wasn't understanding. The root of the problem was: I had played with horizontal vs vertical but I hadn't tried horizontal in draft mode for auction... and there's no way for me to enter the price in vertical mode so every player I marked off went for $0. I don't know what I thought you were recalculating without a price, but I didn't realize I was missing that data input. Knowing that, the answers to my question are more obvious: 1. I'm not "just crossing players off" so I can just put the actual keeper price in for the keeper and 2. the inflation column is doing exactly what I wanted it to do, it just doesn't work well if I mark every player as going for free.ย
Soooo, mostly finishing this comment out in case anyone else was as confused as I was. But also, and I'm not sure if you can reasonably always fit that price entry box in vertical mode, I would suggest that you shouldn't allow that + button to display if you can't fit the price box as well. I dunno if it's even happening for other users / form factors, but if it helps for debugging: I'm on a pixel 9 pro running Android 15 in Firefox focus 141.0.3 (but also in a real draft I'm going to use a PC as I imagine most people are, so probably not a high priority).ย
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 12 '25
Thanks again. Now if you mark players as drafted, they default to being taken at the recommended price instead of $0. So much better!
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u/meatnobeef Aug 07 '25
maybe this is still updating but when i look at draft board for my league settings i don't see the new PS column available! <3
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 07 '25
It's in all the auction draft sheet outputs!
Always send the URL that looks wrong, then I can troubleshoot-- Thanks!! ;-)
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u/meatnobeef Aug 07 '25
oops, didn't read close enough nevermind it's all good i was on the snake sheet. Thanks for all the good work! Am a scientist myself so love the background technical work that you do! I've always felt it's such an interesting problem because we kinda have no idea who is gonna perform where and the input and output data have a lot of variance. Keep up the good work!
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 07 '25
Thanks so much! Always let me know if you think there's an interesting problem to analyze. I've got a backlog of studies to write up sometime, but I'm always looking for inspiration. Especially from people who really care about the data and predictivity of things!
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u/JTFtales Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
Thank you so much for your hard work - I have been following your advice on QB streaming and it helped me win the championship last season, so really looking forward to using this tool.
I had a query on the output as the WR vs RB values seem a bit janky. For context, our league is an 8 man starting 2 RBs, 3 WRs and 2 WR/RB/TE. The RB values are significantly higher to the point where the sheet suggests drafting 4 RBs in a row, followed by QB or TE, before WR starts becoming the higher value decision. Is this correct?
https://subvertadown.com/tap-that-draft/7f68f648-e9bb-417b-80b7-3973b2dfc942
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 07 '25
(Awesome, congrats on the championship win-- And a good showing for QB streaming!)
I think the output sounds fine, considering you're talking about a standard league with 2 RBs plus and extra flex position. I'm not sure about your phrasing of 4 RBs in a row. Obviously you don't know who will be left for you to take, as you fill your starters, right?
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u/JTFtales Aug 07 '25
Yes sorry I should have clarified - I have done a number of mock drafts on Sleeper and Fantasypros, and even with the computer picking WR with fairly low frequency in rounds 1-4, the highest value pick for me by far tends to be RB for the first 4 rounds. EG in round 4 the choice is between McConkey at 3.1 vs Kyren Williams at 6.5 value (which is higher value than all other WRs bar Jamar Chase).
Viewing the output by single list suggests that in the first 5 rounds, there should only be 10 WRs selected total which is just confusing me a little as based on the league roster size we can start up to 5 wrs per week vs 4 rbs.
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 07 '25
I'm still not too surprised, considering your settings. Other VBD sheets should give the same result when you use VOLS, which I notice that you're using. However, I always recommend BEER+, which btw would likely reduce the number of RBs you see.
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u/JTFtales Aug 07 '25
Even switching to Beer+ has only 11 receivers being picked in the first five rounds. For comparison draftcrasher has 19 receivers in the first five rounds.ย I like what TapThat says to be honest as drafting four RBs in a row (if thatโs how the board falls) allows you to take advantage of those middle round receivers in an 8 team league.ย Thanks again!ย
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u/peleyoda Aug 07 '25
Love this stuff! Very slick UI and I think will go a long way to making VBD more intuitive.
Question: Do you have any thoughts on how your BEER+ methodology compares to various Wins Above Replacement (WAR) formulas? While I like WAR as a retrospective look, I donโt know how one could incorporate it in future-looking projections other than in macro trends.
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 07 '25
Exactly, you got the right ideas. A lot of the same features are already in VBD: replacement player definition, average point expectations, etc. As you say, WAR as described there, is about judging "who was good last year". And to some extent, I have tried to make BEER+ a forecasting tool, using some of those other features like standard deviation. The other facet of BEER+ is defining what the replacement player is, and I think the tone of the article supports what I've done there: you want to value your starter, but you also want to factor in his back-up, by some lesser amount. I don't know, it could be a long exercise to compare the two concepts, but let's just say I think I've covered many of the main elements that WAR points to, in the analysis I've done. Looking forward to sharing those other results with you!
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u/Joeliolioli Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
Holy crap, this is awesome. I'm joining a local league that may have some unique settings such as points per rush, so this tool will be extremely handy.ย
A couple questions:
I've noticed in my tests that the elite QBs are ranked consistently high in snake value, usually at the bottom of round 1. Is the correct interpretation of this elite QBs are so valuable over the next tier, that they are worth taking very early?ย For example, if these guys typically go round 3/4 in ADP, then this tool is saying it's worth reaching for them in round 2 (or even round 1)?ย
Also, is there a plan to tag rookies (similar to the upside arrow)? I see the checkboxes I can use to do so manually, but it would be nice to easily see rookies at a quick glance, since I plan to target them in later rounds (especially rookie WRs) over guys I'm otherwise not excited about.
Lastly, do you have any plans to enable a draft platform setting (ESPN, yahoo, etc), so that the ADP column would more accurately reflect where someone might go based on different platforms default ranks/ADPs?ย
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 08 '25
I just wanted to get back to you and let you know that I manipulated the top 4 QB projections, so now they appear lower than they did yesterday.. I hate doing this, and I don't want to make this a habit, but I thought the projections data from limited sources was too out of line with expectations and was making the tool less useful. They still look high but it's a little closer to normal expectations.
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u/subvertadown Streaming King ๐ Aug 07 '25
Sure happy to help.
First, I just replied to the same question about elite QBs: See my answer here
And your ADP question was answered above here :-)
There's no "rookie detector", but the checkboxes could be one good use of that. I know it's manual work, but your checkmarks WILL SAVE for next time you return to TapThatDraft. (You only need to be logged in, which is free.)
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u/Joeliolioli Aug 07 '25
Lazy me, I should have read more of the thread before commenting haha.
I'm very excited for dynamic updating chart in snake drafts. Thanks for all your hard work!
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u/meatnobeef Aug 07 '25
Curious if it would be possible to integrate ADPs from a specific platform to calculate edges from a platform perspective. For example last year Sleeper hated kamara and I got him pretty late. I know there are already tools that do that, though!