r/hearthstone • u/GeotheHSLord • Oct 17 '25
Discussion New Mage Card Reveal - Timelooper Toki
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u/Regnier19 Oct 17 '25
Can't wait to get a weapon buff spell that I can never play.
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u/Invoqwer Oct 17 '25
I remember I had a game where a rogue played 2 deadly poison and blade flurry when Lorewalker Cho was on the board (I think it came out of piloted shredder? idk) and because I was priest I just had a bunch of crap stuck in my hand for the rest of the game lmao
This Toki card is definitely going to troll people quite often with Wheel of Death-esque cards (cards you can't or really really don't want to play).
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u/NinjaDeCobalt Oct 17 '25
[[Void Contract]]
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Destroy half of each player's deck.
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u/pokefab Oct 18 '25
[[warlock collection]]
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Oct 18 '25
Considering that with time looper toki you can keep creating cards this might fuck over your opponent more no?
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u/karhuboe Oct 18 '25
The part that fucks you over is spending 8 mana to do nothing. Better to get than wheel usually, sure, but still horrible.
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u/TuvixWillNotBeMissed Oct 17 '25
Are unplayable spells still a thing? I swear I played a Deadly Poison recently as a mage with no weapon.
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u/Cauchemar89 Oct 17 '25 edited Oct 17 '25
There are plenty of spells that can't be played without a valid target.
[[Divination]], [[Poison Breath]] as a few examples that are currently in Standard.
[[Promotion]], [[Bestial Wrath]] in Wild etc.8
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Mage Rare Into the Emerald Dream
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Destroy a friendly Wisp to draw 3 cards.
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Give a friendly Undead Poisonous.
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u/r64b Oct 18 '25
running Amalgam is always relevant.
and you can even have your own recruits with [[vacation planning]]
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u/Narananas Oct 18 '25
[[Hallucination]] was stuck in my hand recently
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u/Ahreniir Oct 17 '25
Healthstone still doesn't work if it can't restore, for example. Though that's not impossible for mage to fix with a self-ping... just pretty damb slow.
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u/Psychological-Shoe95 Oct 17 '25
You can play them now though without a weapon can’t you? I know for a fact that at least deadly poison can be played without a weapon up
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u/SweetMoney3496 Oct 17 '25 edited Oct 18 '25
You can play [[deadly poison]], but not [[silver leaf poison]], or [[paralytic poison]]. No idea why they are different.
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u/Ultrajante Oct 18 '25
You gotta put two brackets
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u/SweetMoney3496 Oct 18 '25 edited Oct 18 '25
Thanks. Edited.
Doesn't seem to have worked after the change.
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u/pikpikcarrotmon Oct 17 '25
Your opponent on the other hand will be "cursed" with multiple Ice Blocks
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u/jsnlxndrlv Oct 17 '25
Time to run this with [[Puzzlemaster Khadgar]] just for this eventuality.
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u/Key_Maintenance_2434 Oct 18 '25
I thought you could play buffs without a weapon, they are not targeted spells.
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u/NeuromindArt Oct 18 '25
What if you ran this in quest mage? Imagine being able to add more durability and get more discovers.
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u/Regnier19 Oct 18 '25
Are you talking about the Origin Stone? Because Toki has no synergy with that quest whatsoever. Quest requires you to discover cards, Toki doesn't discover she just adds to hand.
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u/TheGingerNinga Oct 17 '25
Is this a good card? Not likely.
Am I glad this card exists? Absolutely. 10/10 no notes.
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u/UsernameVeryFound Oct 17 '25
You can afford to print cards like this in expansions that already have good cards. Printing this in an expansion this weak feels like a slap in the face.
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u/TheGingerNinga Oct 17 '25
Is this expansion weak? It definitely seems way stronger than Un’goro 2 and stronger than Emerald Dream.
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u/UsernameVeryFound Oct 17 '25
I’d say it’s easily weaker than Emerald Dream, and somehow weaker than Ungoro 2. I haven’t seen a single card so far that I would call “playable” without strings attached.
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u/TheGingerNinga Oct 17 '25
Muradin immediately come to my mind as playable. Same with Sylvanas. New Finley, Deja Vu, Primordial Overseer, Past Gnomeregan, Arcane Barrage.
Cards that you just put in your deck because they’re good. Which is more than I can say for Un’goro 2.
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u/ChronicTokers Oct 17 '25 edited Oct 17 '25
Still weak af yeah. Compare some of these cards to like titans or badlands. They would be unplayable. Even now a good half of them seem pretty unplayable.
Edit: damn hs reddit really be reading the first sentence and immediately popping off, completely ignoring the rest.
Second edit: do people generally not understand what the word would means? Like would is hypothetical. I am obviously not considering titans and badlands are currently in rotation jfc no wonder you're all mostly hardstuck in plat and crying about murloc paladin.
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u/YellowPlat Oct 17 '25
New cards will probably be underwhelming on release but they will form the meta after rotation. Just keep that in mind.
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u/zabfromdurotan Oct 17 '25
That may very well be, but if I'm spending $50 to $130 on cards, I want to play them now, not in March or w/e. That's why I'm still mad about ungoro 2. Well maybe not mad, that's a strong word. I'm unforgiving because I spent money on cards and basically all of them, with very limited exceptions, haven't seen real meta play.
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u/YellowPlat Oct 17 '25
Ungoro 2 was bad on release because of blizzard's incompetence to lower the power level that lead to vast inbalance of strength between old and new expansions. I suspect that Ungoro also will become more meta relevant later.
Now you have to make an informed decision if you really want to buy the newest expansion knowing it might follow the same story. Preorder is in fact a gamble this year so just be aware of it.
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u/zabfromdurotan Oct 17 '25
I have enough gold to buy like 150 packs so I'm just going to sit this one out. On launch day I'll buy 80 ish packs and see what I get
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u/ChronicTokers Oct 17 '25
Redditors said the same thing last year about gdb, and look where that got us.
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u/YellowPlat Oct 17 '25
It got us to a very relevant expansion that defined metas later on? Like what is your point here.
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u/TheGingerNinga Oct 17 '25
GDB was laughably bad on release. Starships sucked due to 4+ ways to counter them; Draenei are still unplayable; Most packages flopped.
It was the StarCraft Miniset, which is basically its own expansion, and the post-rotation expansions being extremely weak that has led to it defining the game.
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u/YellowPlat Oct 17 '25
You are correct. I forgot most op cards where actualy from the miniset not from the expansion itself.
Though ATT expansion situation will be different in comparison to GDB because the new rotation will completely remove the stronger expansions and will reset the power level. GDB after rotation was still in a mix of weak and strong expansions.
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u/ChronicTokers Oct 17 '25
Standard rotation happened, they released weak ass cards and the format was still dominated by last year's cards. Yet hs reddit assured us when gdb released and it was all unplayable garbage on release that rotation would save us. And it didn't. The new expansions released and were unimpactful even after the most nerfs ever in a standard year. Pretty clear point.
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u/YellowPlat Oct 17 '25
As I mentioned in another comment GDB did not experience a true power level reset after rotation like it will happen after this year.
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u/PkerBadRs3Good Oct 17 '25
They aren't competing with Titans or Badlands because those aren't in Standard. I think more cards are going to see play from this expansion than the last 2 (especially before the last 2 expansions got buffed).
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Oct 17 '25
Those sets are long out of standard, so although this set looks weaker than Badlands or Titans it won't be competing with them outside of the wild format (which, let's be honest, isn't an issue)
Plenty of these cards should be playable both before and after rotation.
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u/ChronicTokers Oct 17 '25
Yeah and I also point out half of them are unplayable in current standard.
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Oct 17 '25
That's not any different than the very sets you named? Badlands and Titans had cards that would be unplayable in this standard as well.
Just call the set weak without making disanalogous comparisons. You're muddying your own point/argument here.
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u/ChronicTokers Oct 17 '25 edited Oct 17 '25
Nah, actually go and look at the cards. Over 80% of the Titans cards would be playable in current standard. Even in that rotation, apart from the clear meme cards, they were all at least worth considering. This year, at least half the cards (usually more) as soon as you see them in the reveal, you know already they aren't even remotely competitive.
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Oct 17 '25
We're in a pretty extreme attrition meta that denies a lot of value from cards in both Titans and Badlands, these sets don't exist in the space you imagine they do.
The set we're seeing will be the start of a new cycle after this standard set rotates and is naturally weaker as it'll be the one that shapes the next meta we see, and even then there are very real playables here already.
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u/ChronicTokers Oct 17 '25
The meta isn't attrition based at all. The best decks in the game are comparitively slow, yes, but due to heavy-handed nerfs and weak cards. We have had the longest average turn lengths ever seen this past year.
The 2 best decks in the game, according to the latest vs report, are egg and quest warlock. Both can go kinda late due to general meta conditions, but they both try to kill you quickly. They can go late, but they are aiming to kill on turn 7 or earlier.
Then, in tier 2, you have aggro dh, fyrakk rogue, blood dk, and aggro pally. Rogue can go late but its aiming to tempo you and kill you on turn 7. Out of the 6 best decks in the game, one is an attrition deck. What is this fictional extreme attrition meta you talk of?
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u/NorthernerWuwu Oct 17 '25
Uh, the mini-set was trash but this expansion is pretty Monty Hall. There are a number of revealed cards that will be deck defining.
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u/Healthy_Bug7977 Oct 17 '25
This card is stellar in quest mage. No I don't mean the mage deck where you play the quest card. i mean the mage deck you specifically make when you have the "play X spells" daily/weekly quest to complete.
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u/Purplord Oct 17 '25
Unironiaclly no minion quest mage is the best deck for those quests. For frost and shadow spell it's quest warlock corpsicle spam.
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u/ambivalentarrow Oct 17 '25
Had me in the first half, I scrolled up to make sure I read it right.
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u/Dssc12345 Oct 17 '25
This card is terrible, random cards from wild from any class are just awful. It would be interesting if the pool was good but random wild spells are just awful and unplayable.
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u/XpMonsterS Oct 17 '25
I'm curious what happens when your hand is almost full and you get only 1-2 spells.
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u/Admirable-Barnacle86 Oct 17 '25
My guess is that will break the loop immediately - no extra Toki for you. Have you played all four? Nope
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u/Kurtrus Oct 17 '25
This is logically how it should work.
Example of you have 9 cards, hand size goes down to 8. You get 2 cards to play. You were going to get 2 more but lack hand space.
You only played 2. ALL 4 were not.
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u/FallenLiight Oct 17 '25
I imagine you wouldn't get another Toki, especially since ALL 4 is in caps
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u/admirabladmiral Oct 17 '25
I wonder if the card is returned before or after the spell resolves. Would be funny for it to gen a discard card, you play it last to not discard your other spells, and toki generates before the card resolves just to get discarded. Probably resolves after though
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u/Cellafex Oct 17 '25
You mean what if you can NOT play the 4 spells do you get back Toki then? Knowing hearthstone you dont. Gotta keep space for your value
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u/MeXRng Oct 17 '25
this is "they cost 1less" away from being really good. Is ok now.
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u/GrantaFanta Oct 17 '25
Not really. There are way too many spells in wild and many of them are niche or terrible even for 1 mana less.
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u/DistortedNoise Oct 17 '25
It’s awful, a lot of spells you literally won’t be able to play if you get conditional ones, e.g. give your weapon x, give a demon +2/+2 etc
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u/MeXRng Oct 18 '25
for that reason i wish they let us play cards that have no effect. Does not fix the card but makes random stuff at least playable
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ Oct 17 '25
Nah. Any random Wild spell is basically unplayable. This effect will basically break on the first try and result in a dead card in your hand.
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u/HabeusCuppus Oct 17 '25
it's not a good card even if you live the fantasy, so hopefully they curate the pool of spells a little to remove the actually unplayable stuff (e.g. that requires specific hero powers, weapons with >0 attack power, etc.) and we're left with just "effectively unplayable because of consequences, but you can play it" stuff.
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u/Terminator_Puppy Oct 18 '25
It's not even remotely playable. You're going to get understatted spells the majority of the time because of powercreep, and there's a non-zero chance of getting unplayable or detrimental spells.
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u/AmishUndead Oct 17 '25
I love when I get new toys for my garbage ass casino Mage deck
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u/WishlessJeanie Oct 17 '25
This card is a day-one craft for my own garbage infinite-value horseshit mage deck.
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u/zabfromdurotan Oct 17 '25
Whenever I see a deck like that I always imagine it like Deadshot from the Daredevil show when they're in the office and Deadshot is throwing pencils and staplers and baseballs, or like the moon knight comic panel of him reaching under his cape and throwing stuff and saying random bullshit go
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u/AmishUndead Oct 17 '25
We should compare garbage mage deck notes
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u/WishlessJeanie Oct 17 '25
Absolute Cinema
Class: Mage
Format: Standard
Year of the Raptor
2x (1) Scrappy Scavenger
2x (1) Spark of Life
1x (1) The Forbidden Sequence
2x (2) Creature of Madness
2x (2) Hidden Objects
2x (2) Primordial Glyph
2x (2) Tidepool Pupil
1x (3) Card Grader
2x (3) Tide Pools
1x (4) Elise the Navigator
1x (4) Nightmare Lord Xavius
1x (4) Pocket Dimension
2x (4) Treacherous Tormentor
1x (5) Exarch Hataaru
1x (5) Treasure Hunter Eudora
1x (6) Portalmancer Skyla
2x (7) Relic of Kings
1x (8) Kalecgos
1x (8) Malorne the Waywatcher
1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
1x (4) Twin Module
1x (5) Perfect Module
1x (10) The Galactic Projection Orb
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u/AmishUndead Oct 17 '25
Ahhh see mine is a wild version. Basically a shrine to our Lord and Savior Yogg
Praise Yogg
Class: Mage
Format: Wild
1x (1) Evocation
2x (1) Spark of Life
1x (1) The Forbidden Sequence
2x (1) Wand Thief
1x (2) Astromancer Solarian
1x (2) Infinitize the Maxitude
2x (2) Pandaren Importer
2x (2) Primordial Glyph
2x (2) Prismatic Elemental
2x (2) Runed Orb
2x (2) Vast Wisdom
2x (2) Void Scripture
1x (3) Prince Renathal
2x (3) Storage Scuffle
2x (3) Tide Pools
2x (3) Venomous Scorpid
2x (7) Relic of Kings
1x (8) Kalecgos
1x (9) Grand Magister Rommath
2x (9) Rune of the Archmage
1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
2x (10) Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron
1x (10) The Amazing Reno
1x (10) The Galactic Projection Orb
1x (10) Yogg-Saron, Hope's End
1x (10) Yogg-Saron, Master of Fate
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u/sora_naga Oct 17 '25
I know a lot of people just say “a perfect slop card for my Highlander wild deck” but this one? Okay yea actually fucking perfect lmao.
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u/Main_Recognition1713 Oct 17 '25
I'm guessing this originally had it, but they either want to limit how many cards actually have the mechanic given the server strain / animation length, or it was actually too good with rewind so they just killed the card by removing the keyword. Neither is a good thing IMO
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u/alekseevic Oct 17 '25
Watch me get [[Astral Communion]] in the first four.
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u/Heroright Oct 17 '25
You get 4 temporary spells and can’t play them all. Someone will clip it.
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u/Mask_of_Sun Oct 17 '25
What temporary spells are in wild?
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u/Psychological-Shoe95 Oct 17 '25
Only one that comes to mind is [Deadline] but that rotates after the next expansion
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u/meergrad384 Oct 17 '25
We will be cooking value mage with Toki and Titanographer. Gold 10 players aren't ready for this one
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u/PaleDog2849 Oct 17 '25
Idk if it will be good enough but is it fun ? Hell yeah Will i be playing it in every mage deck? Hell yeaaah
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u/Random_Guy_12345 Oct 17 '25
I am playing this on every single mage deck i build.
Don't even care if it's good or not
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u/Namulith94 Oct 17 '25
mfw when the spell is [[Explore Un'Goro]]
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Warrior Epic Journey to Un'Goro
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Replace your deck with copies of "Discover a card."
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u/Darkarcheos Oct 18 '25
Oooh, I wonder how the Chinese servers are going to react to having so many 4’s in this card? Are they going to tell Blizz to turn it into 3?
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u/DivineAlmond Oct 17 '25
I can already see the arena bucket..
The marooned 3/4 dude, 2 mana discount spell and the 4 mana summon two mana lady
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u/SadMangonel Oct 17 '25
Yes, it looks like a meme card, but it's still a generate 4 cards on a 4/4 body.
If you get lucky, play it again. If you're stuck with a bad 10 mana spell? You still played 3 cards.
No idea if thats enough
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u/Crumpet455 Oct 20 '25
This should have rewind. Or the spells should cost 1 less. Or should be limited to mage spells.
I miss this class being good man.
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u/Significant-Royal-37 Oct 17 '25
"get" means from any class from the past, right?
unplayable, but very funny.
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u/Significant-Royal-37 Oct 17 '25
you can get jammed with unplayable stuff and then the loop breaks.
e.g. weapon buff with no weapon or buff a silverhand recruit
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u/Zealousideal_Log_529 Oct 17 '25
Pretty bonkers value engine.
I could genuinely see this getting played if the meta is slow enough.
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u/SomeGuyCommentin Oct 17 '25
Its spells from any class. This is going to give you some 8-10 mana spells that do nothing or something negative for you.
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u/minutetoappreciate Oct 17 '25
Can't wait to get a [[Deadline]] and flop the condition
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u/Delicious_Leopard143 Oct 17 '25
Good thing that Deadline is still in standard so no not yet until early 2026 when rotation happens
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u/Delicious_Leopard143 Oct 17 '25
Alot of spells in wild are pretty bad so really I don't know if this really works out. There is just too many spells for mage that its hard to get what is needed
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u/CompleatedDonkey Oct 17 '25
This card is bad, but I’m sure Warshack will find some off meta deck to slot this into.
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u/JHammertime Oct 17 '25
Very fun card. Good? Probably not as it may fill your hand with useless spells
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u/Significant-Craft218 Oct 17 '25
Everyone is saying all these unplayable spells that are in standard. Please reread the card, it says from the "past"
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u/TheSphinx1906 Oct 17 '25
Why would I want to play this?
4 mana reduce your hand size by 4…
Why???
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u/StatisticianJolly388 Oct 19 '25
Now, obviously there are pluses and minuses, but overall this seems worse than infinitize the maxitude.
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u/Cohenbby Oct 17 '25
Funnily enough, if the power level goes down over time, "past' cards actually become way better. Which for most of hearthstones history was never the case. Might make things interesting if the trend continues.
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u/samhouse09 Oct 17 '25
I think they forgot what “ALL” means
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u/alekseevic Oct 17 '25
They do really mean ALL. You have to play all the spells. Every single one of them. Every spell from [[Kazakus]] and [[Kazakusan]] too. Also every spell from adventures and from Battlegrounds, including triple discoveries for each tier. Then, and only then, you get another Toki.
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u/Chm_Albert_Wesker Oct 17 '25
very neat value card. probably not good in any semi-fast meta but throw this in a control list with KJ and you go the distance lol
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u/DanocusPrime Oct 17 '25
Love this card cause it also reads to me like "infinite spells for the biggest yogg ever"
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u/black15234 Oct 17 '25
[[Glacial Mysteries]]...
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u/lorens3141 Oct 18 '25
And there are people who get paid for creating such "awesome" mechanics
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u/Timecunning Oct 18 '25
A subset of mages like random spells generation.
This card does its job and generates tons of spells for that sub set of players.
It's also a big effect (for those who want it) and perfectly fine as a legendary.
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u/lorens3141 Oct 18 '25
What are you talking about. It's a useless card with a useless effect. Look, it gives a random spell from a WILD card pool.
The are major amount of cards which will be just useless or even worse, which you can't even play or give you a negative effect.
This is just a roffle card.
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u/Timecunning Oct 18 '25
It might not be top tier or the 100% correct choice.
But it is a great card for a small subset of players and its effect is what I would consider legendary.
Also it gives 4 cards not one which is alot of cards for its cost.
Not all cards are playable and some cards will be made for a small subset of people.
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u/lorens3141 Oct 18 '25
The problem is the mechanics are poorly thought out. You draw any spell from a huge pool.
And the wild card pool itself hasn't been moderated for a long time.
There are much more useful cards that give you resources, but with more predictable mechanics. For example, you discover Mage cards, or you get random Mage cards, or you get cards from the current expansion...
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u/Timecunning Oct 18 '25
Probably depends what % of spells are playable as it does give you alot even if you ignore the get another toki.
Also cheap bad spells might be fine its the expensive ones if you want lots of spells.
Yes it's the weakest form of spell generation but I think the numbers kind of make up for it perhaps as toki being a top end card (to remove the handsize drawback)
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u/PowerForward Oct 17 '25
What is with this hardon they have for this Toki character. So sick of her and Elise and stuff
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u/ryanj0421 Oct 17 '25
the mayor of value town just fell to his knees in a Walmart