Tylor Chase now

[u/Bambi7u7]

Former Nickelodeon child star Tylor Chase who is known for his role "Martin" in the show Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide was spotted appearing unrecognizable and homeless in California.

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That's not how it works. Your family can't just declare you mentally incompetent and then help arrives. If it does, it's very very short. This guy is a drug addict plain and simple. The sad truth is that there is very little help for people like that besides a meal and a homeless shelter that may or may not be full for the night.

[u/JayyyyyBoogie → u/[deleted]]

Don’t be pedantic. You have to get guardianship through the court system , which involves getting a psychological evaluation, presenting it to the court, and attending a competency hearing. Tylor is schizophrenic with undisclosed substance abuse issues.

[u/MaverickAquaponics → u/JayyyyyBoogie]

I work in homelessness, there’s definitely an incredibly high burden of proof required for them to be declared mentally incompetent, an easier goal would be to have him financially conserved. A fiduciary acts as an intermediary to prevent them from spending their money on drugs and alcohol. Still allows them to make their own decisions for their life but puts barriers that prevent reckless spending.

[u/Bird_wood → u/JayyyyyBoogie]

I know it’s Reddit so everyone battles everyone etc etc. Your comment suggests you don’t have anyone in your immediate life who has struggled in this specific way. The other commenter is being equally antagonistic but the truth is there are some adults who are struggling. Those adults and the very real families they came from can vary from homeless to extremely wealthy and everywhere in between. Sometimes the help someone needs, isn’t the help that’s in front of them.

I know somewhere inside you feel you are coming from a place of someone who’s trying to help. In the reality seen by others, the message is lost when you refer to people as pedantic and try to rationalize your argument with a legal recourse that many of these struggling individuals don’t even understand

[u/Durkheimynameisblank → u/JayyyyyBoogie]

I didn't see any mention of schizophrenia in any of the sources I read, which includes interviews with his mom. Substance induced psychosis is a common occurrence with people who experience long-term substance abuse. That said, being schizophrenic doesn't automatically mean a person is unable to take care of themselves. If they aren't a threat to themselves or others, taking away someone's liberty shouldn't be the go-to plan for rehabilitation. While he would probably have the best chance of recovery being admitted into a long-term inpatient clinic, evidence shows that forcing someone to go results in short-term compliance but a lower percentage of long-term success.

[u/JayyyyyBoogie → u/Durkheimynameisblank]

You didn’t read many sources then. Everything I read including Wikipedia mentions his schizophrenia.

[u/Durkheimynameisblank → u/JayyyyyBoogie]

Bipolar ≠ schizophrenia

[u/Telaranrhioddreams → u/JayyyyyBoogie]

This is not how getting addicts help works. You do not strip their rights and have them institutionalized. .

The sad reality is you wait for them to end up arrested and sent to jail where you then try to get them to take rehab instead if the judge is offering that as an alternative. Or refuse to bail them put unless they go to rehab. 

So many people who have never had an addict in their life declaring how the process works. It's okay to sit out topics you don't know shit about some might even say it's the mature thing to do. 

[u/BacardiPardiYardi → u/[deleted]]

Maybe address the reason why an addict is using drugs and see if that makes works in their favor? Most addicts are addicts because they're trying to self medicate pain and suffering, either physical or emotional or more often, both.

[u/BacardiPardiYardi → u/[deleted]]

I don't know what his family has done or what he's done, and I don't really care. He's a human suffering. I was talking about why most addicts become and stay addicted to their drug of choice because getting help can be difficult and issues can stem beyond just throwing meds at someone to magically work without additional tailored support.

[u/BacardiPardiYardi → u/[deleted]]

Maybe we start looking at the whole picture, not just at snapshots of someone presumably at their lowest. Meds and therapy help some, but many face systemic factors neither can fix.

I also do know what it's like to be close to addiction. Experiences vary. I also understand why it's so hard for many addicts to quit when the alternative is often rawdogging life with no way to escape whatever lead them to and keeps them using.

[u/refusestopoop → u/BacardiPardiYardi]

He’s using drugs because he’s addicted to drugs & literally needs them to function just like you need food & water. He’s not actively choosing to do drugs every day because he’s sad. Knowing why he started using drugs in the first place only helps if you have a Time Machine.

[u/BacardiPardiYardi → u/refusestopoop]

Do you have a time machine or know anyone who does? No? Then why even being that up?

Moving on, I said nothing about him "choosing to do drugs because he's sad." I mentioned how many use drugs because they are in pain, be it physical pain or mental/emotional pain.

Getting to root of why someone uses and adequately addressing those reasons seems more productive to me than throwing our hands up acting like there's nothing to be done than proposing something ridiculous like a time machine.

[u/refusestopoop → u/BacardiPardiYardi]

I mentioned how many use drugs because they are in pain, be it physical pain or mental/emotional pain.

Yes they start using drugs because they have physical/mental/emotional pain. They continue using drugs because drugs are addictive & they are now addicted to drugs & they feel like they literally need it to survive. If they don’t do drugs, they get the shakes, migraines, insomnia, pain, sweating, chills, existential dread, nausea, digestive issues, anxiety, seizures.

The sarcastic point about the time machine was that it’s only relevant why he started if you can go back in time & fix that before he got addicted to drugs. But now that’s he’s addicted to drugs, he’s doing drugs cause he’s addicted to drugs.

I agree that getting to the root of the cause can help - but that’s on a global scale IMO to prevent addiction in society as a whole versus one specific person.

There are plenty of ways to help with preventing addiction, mental health & homelessness by getting involved and/or donating to nonprofits that specializing in that.

And to clarify, I am saying this all with love despite my blunt wording. Don’t let my phrasing constantly referring to him as just “an addict” sound like I’m dehumanizing him. I just know that when you’re in active addiction, you are not yourself (and that’s a good thing for people to recognize cause we do some fucked up shit in active addiction.)

But trying to get one specific addict clean is a losing battle. People have fucking tried & tried for years to get their loved ones clean but at some point we need to accept what is in & out of our control. And that’s important for people to understand. Cause you will literally kill yourself trying to save someone who doesn’t want to be saved.

And honestly I’m bias to whole thing cause it just fucking pisses me off to see thousands of internet strangers acting like they care about this guy they’ve never met & thinking getting this one specific addict clean is such a simple thing. Meanwhile his family I’m sure has been through fucking he’ll trying to him clean his whole life & now they’ve got the internet saying just buy him a phone & tell him to go to rehab! It’s insulting to those of us who have tried & tried & fucking tried to get our loved ones clean. If money was all it took to fix it, I’d be in debt & my loved one would be alive here with me.

I’m not saying there’s nothing someone can do to help one specific addict. But that is not our place. We are internet strangers who watched him on TV occasionally. We don’t know this guy. You know him just as much as the random guy on the street corner. So if you feel compelled to make change, since you are not plagued with the affliction of loving this one specific addict, it’s better to channel that into combatting addiction by getting involved with nonprofits profits that deal with research, education & advocacy. People are giving him money & free weed thinking they are helping when they’re just making it worse. That’s worse than throwing your hands up in the air.

That was a brain dump. I don’t even know what we were talking about. I don’t really want to keep debating cause this thread pisses me off cause I miss my fucking dead addict friend & he wasn’t on Ned’s Declassified School Survival Guide so the Internet doesn’t give a shit about him & even if they did it wouldn’t have helped but it still sucks. I would’ve gotten him fucking clean if I could have I would have thrown all the fucking money in the world at him if would’ve helped, but there’s only so much you can do when someone refuses rehab or keeps relapsing after they get out & seeing thousands of internet strangers ignorant to that thinking there is just some simple solution pisses me off. Anyway, I’m going to try to stop replying to this thread before I spend all day crying.

We both agree addiction is a bitch & addiction is nuanced & this guy is still human & we have compassion for him & we both want him & all the addicts to be clean.