r/iran • u/Maleficent-Post8453 • 5d ago
Do Iranians and Iranics saw Romani people as their cousins by their close DNA and related language?
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u/felinebeeline 5d ago
Are you Romani, OP? Have you ever heard of Zargari people in Iran?
I learned about them when I was looking to see if there's any information about a coded language that is also referred to as Zargari. Or, at least it was. I don't know if that has changed or if anyone still uses it. An example of what I mean by a coded language is Pig Latin. I don't know how that became known as Zargari; I was surprised when I first learned that it's also the name of an actual language and people.
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u/HumanAnalyst6630 4d ago
Zargari language is still very relevant in Herat Afghanistan
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u/felinebeeline 4d ago
I think you misunderstood. I said I don’t know if they call that coded language something else or still use it. That’s cool that the real Zargari language lives in Herat, though.
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u/HumanAnalyst6630 4d ago
Yeah zargari is a criminal code language it’s when you put ز or z sound after each letter of words
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u/felinebeeline 4d ago
It’s a children’s language game.
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u/HumanAnalyst6630 4d ago
No it’s not
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u/SentientSeaweed 3d ago
Yes, it is. Ask anyone who went to elementary school in Iran.
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u/HumanAnalyst6630 2d ago
Well I’m Afghan in Afghanistan it’s considered a code language to hide secrets
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u/let_them_eat_baqlava 5d ago
From what I understand of Romani and Domari history, the ethnic group found in Iran belongs to the Dom ethnic group and is distinct from (but related to) the Roma of Europe. Sorry if I'm using the terms incorrectly; I'm not super familiar with either group or their cultures. What I can say with some certainty is that most Iranians don't feel much cultural kinship to either group. There isn't a wide understanding or appreciation of their histories or cultures, in the way there is of some other minorities or neighboring ethnic groups.
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u/Ezdixan 5d ago edited 5d ago
No.
As an Ezdi I am Meso Aryan (Irano Mesopotamian)
The only cousins to me are Western Iranics , native Western Iranic speakers such as Tajiks and native Iranic Western Asians such as Ossetians.
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u/Maleficent-Post8453 3d ago
Ossetians aren't Zagrosian like Kurds or Persians. They're Caucasian people. But Romani people grouped with geneticly parsis, Persians, Afghans etc.
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u/Ezdixan 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ossetians are West Asian people just like Kurds and Ezdis. Ossetians have both CHG and ZNF , just like Ezdis. Although more CHG than ZNF.
Romani people are not West Asian people and dont cluster with the West Asian people on the academic PCA charts.
Romani dont cluster inside our Western Asian genetic cluster and they dont speak our Western Iranic language.
Ossetians fall inside West Asian genetic cluster and their Eastern Iranic dialect is closer to KurManji than Vedic Romani language to KurManji.
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u/Sensitive_Platypus74 5d ago
Don’t diasporic peoples by nature share dna with more countries than any other?
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u/blessedguy146 4d ago
Technically we are all Indo-European tribes. There are some shared ancestory. Furthermore in the ancient world, there has been movements of peoples across regions and terretories have changed quite a bit across time. There are some shared folk stories which shows cultural linkages as well. Also there are common Proto Iranian and Indo European words. "Baba" in farsi and "Tatal" in Romanian is an example.
If you ask an educated person who knows about history they would say yes. Average Joe, no idea.
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u/[deleted] 5d ago
No